Microsoft Antivirus: Next Week?
Posted by Steven Parker on 13 May 2005 - 12:51 · 62 comments & 3172 views
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#1 Posted by Webgraph on 13 May 2005 - 12:57
- Microsoft Antivirus? Yuck! I remember that program back in the Windows 3.1 days and it was so bad! McAfee and Norton at the time could detect 100ื more viruses than Microsoft. As for today, all that Microsoft would be able to do is to make security matters even worse.
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#1.2 Posted by MajinDark on 13 May 2005 - 13:05
- Are you on crack? Microsoft is making serious attempts to secure their operating systems, specifically XP. Look at what they've done in the last year. Service Pack 2, a beta of an anti-spyware program that works very well at this point, and now an antivirus program. To say that Microsoft is making security matters worse is ludicrous.
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#1.3 Posted by roadwarrior on 13 May 2005 - 17:07
- The Microsoft Antivirus from Windows 3.1 (or maybe it was actually included in DOS 6.22) actually WAS Norton Antivirus, they simply licensed it. Just as they licensed McAfee Antivirus to include in the Plus! pack for Windows 98.
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#1.4 Posted by ogman on 14 May 2005 - 13:39
- "Are you on crack?"
I don't know about the crack, but it's obvious that MajinDark drank the Kool Aid! C'mon, anyone who suddenly develops trust for a company that has failed to secure their OS for years, and now expects them to provide secure protection through some third-rate, off the shelf A/V product that they didn't even develop, needs to be the one checking into the clinic.
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#2 Posted by TheReaperMan on 13 May 2005 - 13:02
- #1 how can you say with out testing the product first
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#3 Posted by beardly on 13 May 2005 - 13:08
- I like the part about undercutting the price.
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#4 Posted by HoochieMamma on 13 May 2005 - 13:15
- Wish it was free, doesn't bother me though.......
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#4.1 Posted by lbmouse on 13 May 2005 - 15:12
- It should be free. If we purchase Windows and it's vulnerable to viruses, it's a flaw in the prouct design. Why do we have to pay extra to make our machines usable?
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#4.2 Posted by wtaag on 13 May 2005 - 16:13
- Because the DOJ would be all over MS for monopolizing the AV market by offering it for free. Charging $25 is fair for a AV product that works.
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#4.3 Posted by sphbecker on 13 May 2005 - 22:05
- Microsoft fixes it vulnerabilities for free. Most virus are not vulnerabilities, they are simply examples of the computer running code you ask it to. If YOU download a program with a virus and YOU tell the computer to run it, then YOU did it to your self. That is a vulnerability in your computer skills not your OS. The computer runs the programs you tell it to, it can't know which are good and which are bad, no OS does.
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#4.4 Posted by Unplugged on 14 May 2005 - 04:24
- I purchase my car and its vunrable from being hit by other drivers or being crashed into other objects.... Thats a flaw of the car should I expect Free Insurance?
Every OS is at risk from Viruses quite simply because a Virus is a Program that you allow to run on your computer either by downloading or opening it. On the vary rare occasion yes it may enter via a flaw in the OS such as an Email Virus or maybe a malformed message that may cause your computer to crash like blaster (thats not a virus but the effect from someone with the virus) but the patches against these flaws are available and Free if you have "purchased" the operating system.
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#5 Posted by Kushan on 13 May 2005 - 13:21
- Meh, I'm happy enough with AVGFree, but I'll give this a look
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#6 Posted by VikingStorm on 13 May 2005 - 13:25
- I wonder how much they changed of RAV.
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#7 Posted by digitalslacker on 13 May 2005 - 13:51
- all about F-Prot but i'll check it out
they seemed to do a good job with their antispyware program
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#8 Posted by Krudomanic on 13 May 2005 - 13:59
- I would never use an AV from Microsoft...
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#8.1 Posted by Staind on 13 May 2005 - 14:17
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Maybe you think of MS has already let you down with its OS so you won't trust him any more on this one. 
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#8.3 Posted by Krudomanic on 13 May 2005 - 14:33
- Yeah I put my hands up and state Windows XP is an OS I both love and hate at the same time...
And yeah I still use it...?
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#8.5 Posted by Treefrog on 13 May 2005 - 17:31
QUOTE Is that why he still uses the OS ?
There are many reasons that someone might use an OS that they don't particularly care for, most of them being software packages that don't run on any other OS. I certainly won't begrudge anyone for that, as it's entirely out of their hands at that point. It's called vendor lock-in.
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#9 Posted by SouthernG on 13 May 2005 - 14:28
- When the public beta comes out, just test it! If you don't like it don't use it!
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#10 Posted by Ficman on 13 May 2005 - 14:36
- This will be fun to sit back and watch...lol
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#11 Posted by EduardValencia on 13 May 2005 - 14:49
- damn i think i'll have the REAL MS SUITE on my PC
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#12 Posted by Nelsinho on 13 May 2005 - 15:53
- yep good news
but for a while I stick with avg 7.0 free and no problems, I'm Happy always
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#13 Posted by kronik on 13 May 2005 - 16:01
- Well seeing how good of a job they did with the Anti-Spyware prog this should be promissing
But what would be better IMO is to combine the two, and I dont mean a suite but I mean one program -
#13.1 Posted by Patrick_ on 13 May 2005 - 16:36
- Tee hee. They didn't do anything to that AV but buy it from GIANT, change GIANT to MICROSOFT, and that's it. It's all GIANT's work. The app even updates from GIANTs servers still...
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#13.2 Posted by sphbecker on 13 May 2005 - 22:09
- That is true. MS is better at buying products then creating them. Having said that, MS is actually really good at buying products (as you can see from their successes). Once they buy a product they do a pretty good job of updating and supporting it (perhaps because they buy the staff too).
You know that this MS AV is a purchases product at well. It is not a ground up MS project.
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#14 Posted by smashguy on 13 May 2005 - 16:19
- wow.. How excited.. I've been looking forward to seeing it!
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#15 Posted by Patrick_ on 13 May 2005 - 16:35
- Whoa, this is scary. Micro$oft AV. I can see it now... frequent crashes. Accidental buffer overflows. Bad heuristics. Easy to bypass. Thank God for Linux.
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#15.2 Posted by Treefrog on 13 May 2005 - 17:34
- Nope, not perfect, but at least we don't have to worry about what MS might want it to do behind our backs.
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#15.3 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 13 May 2005 - 19:03
- Treefrog, your posts have been repetitive and unsupported lately, please reconsider hitting that green little 'R' if you don't have something constructive to add to the discussion.
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#15.4 Posted by lord_zer0 on 14 May 2005 - 05:11
- This is just crying out for somebody to support. Don't want to start a linux flamewar here, but Treefrog is right--you don't have to point fingers at anybody with linux. And microsoft has a proven track record of doing things behind customer's backs; just look at that pirated wav file.
I'm not trying to argue any technical merits (or lack thereof), but I think that competition of any kind and at any level is a good thing for the consumer. If microsoft wants to enter the AV market, there's one more product for consumers to choose from, and the only people that might get hurt are the people stupid enough to buy it, and sucks for them.
We can't save you from yourself. If you didn't open attatchments in the first place (or just run everything under a sandbo
you wouldn't HAVE a virus idiot.
I'm just saying--if Joe Schmo wants to write an AV app, let him do it. It might suck, but let the people decide. A.k.a. capitolism
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#15.5 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 14 May 2005 - 19:20
- No, I'm not arguing validity of Treefrog's comments. I'm saying that they do not add to the discussion. It is absolute trolling / flame-bait, as is your post. Stupid enough to buy it? Why so, do you know what this product is going to be like? Like everything I buy, I'll take a look at it and make an informed decision. If this product ends up better than Symantec AV 9.03 then I'll switch, I don't care who makes it. You and Treefrog have some grudge against "M$" and will not consider anything they make at this point.
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#16 Posted by nic on 13 May 2005 - 16:58
- I think Microsoft should include a stripped down version in Windows like their firewall. And then offer a "Plus!" type upgrade, so they aren't seen as monopolistic bullies. But I agree with a lot of you that it is Microsofts poor windows design that makes it such a target for virii, they should patch things up with a decent AV for their paying customers.
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#16.1 Posted by sphbecker on 13 May 2005 - 22:12
- They kind of already do. They release monthly free malware removal updates (via automatic update). Those run on your computer monthly and remove most known viruses. I would expect Longhorn to add some form of basic real-time protection.
One thing is for sure. Norton and MacAfee and going to have work for their money now!
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#17 Posted by thejohnnyq on 13 May 2005 - 17:48
- I beta tested MS support service about 3 years ago. Hopefully they have fixed the issues. You were only able to scan the computer, and that was it. You could call in and get support personal at MS to do advanced actions, but that was a pain in the ass.
If it is anything like MS Anti-Spyware, it should be good.
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#18 Posted by Azadre on 13 May 2005 - 18:20
- I get free McAfee because of my college affiliation: plus the mcafee rocks.
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#19 Posted by nacs on 13 May 2005 - 19:03
- Microsoft charging for an antivirus software?
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#19.1 Posted by InternetExplorer on 13 May 2005 - 19:07
- If I were you, I would shut up. You obviously don't understand why Microsoft has to charge money for it.
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#19.2 Posted by ogman on 14 May 2005 - 13:32
- Look out, here comes the softie gang lookin' to get you now!
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#20 Posted by ArBoK on 13 May 2005 - 19:29
- damn, MS wants to take over the whooooole software market
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#21 Posted by haisdeaks on 13 May 2005 - 21:52
- havent had a virus in years thus havent bothered with av protection.
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#21.1 Posted by kronik on 14 May 2005 - 02:07
- its not that simple
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#21.2 Posted by lord_zer0 on 14 May 2005 - 05:14
- Good luck teaching a "noob" anything. I agree with you there.
He's not talking about what might be good for the rest of the world, or for noobs, or for any specific group.
He's just saying that he, himself, has not had a virus in years and thinks it's not worth his effort.
And he's probably right.
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#22 Posted by monofonik on 13 May 2005 - 22:52
- Microsoft's AntiSpyware has kept my computer clean and free of spyware except for one instance when I had to run it in safe mode to completely get rid of something. Other than that, it's been great. I understand they purchased a security software company a few months ago, and if the antivirus software they release is anything like Microsoft AntiSpyware, it should be fantastic.
If we all had Macs this would not be an issue
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#23 Posted by scoobydoobie on 13 May 2005 - 22:56
QUOTE If we purchase Windows and it's vulnerable to viruses, it's a flaw in the prouct design
Untrue. Microsoft cannot dictate you on what to do with the computer (or Windows) after you purchase it. Why should they have to give away something becouse of idiotic people that accept virus's into thier computer in the first place? ?
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#23.1 Posted by Ideas Man on 14 May 2005 - 11:41
- Exactly. If you build your house out of combustible material i.e. wood, should you get free insurance because it's a flaw in the design i.e. wood burns when on fire **duh**. Same with Windows. Most viruses require some form of user intervention to activate, the only way Microsoft can fix this "flaw" in their design is by controlling every piece of executable code that can be run under it's operating system i.e. it must ALL be digitally signed or something similar.
BTW, no operating system is bullet proof. Every operating system has it's flaws, and just because it's open source, does not mean at all in any respect that it is more secure than Windows. If you honestly believe this, then you are either shepperd into that belief or have NFI what you are on about, you just want to cause trouble, look "impressive" or some other stupid reason.
Firefox didn't seem all that vulnerable either, look at it now, it's starting to show lots of cracks, but I forgot, they aren't flaws, they are more likely "features that weren't turned off in time for release"
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#24 Posted by scoobydoobie on 13 May 2005 - 22:58
QUOTE If we all had Macs this would not be an issue
If we all had Macs then we would all still be playing games from 2000-
#24.1 Posted by mr_skrilla on 13 May 2005 - 23:10
- haha
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#25 Posted by krzystealth on 14 May 2005 - 09:49
- http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.asp
Not much else to say here.
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#26 Posted by eilegz on 14 May 2005 - 17:39
- they just can deliver a free option to all windows user of course the idea its like microsoft antispyware dun included it with windows only dl from microsoft site so DOJ or EU wont mind and all the others vendors of AV can sue microsoft lol
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#27 Posted by JSemple3 on 14 May 2005 - 23:38
- 2 words.............who cares?
I'll never use microsoft antivirus. I'm very happy with my norton V10 antivirus.
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#28 Posted by TomeOne on 16 May 2005 - 10:18
- I'll stick to NOD32, thankyouverymuch!
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#29 Posted by briangw on 16 May 2005 - 13:39
- I thought they were getting out of the market after PC Satisfaction beta bombed!
Speculation among security industry sources suggests that Microsoft may be preparing to introduce its standalone antivirus software next week.
Industry watchers said Thursday that the software giant very well could take the wraps off its emerging security product plans in a scheduled announcement on Monday, although the sources indicated their belief that the applications themselves may not reach the market for several more months. Microsoft representatives did not immediately return calls seeking comment on the rumor.
At least one security expert said that Microsoft is readying a shrink-wrapped antivirus package that it will offer through retail channels for "significantly less" than $25. Based on the level of sophistication of the product, or whether it includes tools for fighting different types of malicious programs--including spam and adware--the Microsoft offering could undercut pricing of similar products sold by security specialists such as Symantec and McAfee.
Windows OneCare is being designed to address core safety concerns such as worms, viruses and spyware, but also to span broader PC health issues: helping protect electronic assets such as digital photos, music, financial data and software; and guarding against performance degradation and system clutter that can result from heavy use. Key capabilities and features of Windows OneCare will include the following:
Defense against evolving threats. Windows OneCare will provide automatically updated anti-virus, anti-spyware and two-way firewall protection.
Performance and reliability tools. PC owners will be able to choose to have Windows OneCare automatically carry out periodic maintenance tasks such as disk cleanup, hard-drive defragmentation and file repair. The service also will offer boot-time information and proactive support tools to help improve the customer experience.
Backup and restore capabilities. Windows OneCare will enable automated backup of files by category on CD and DVD, along with the option to back up all files on the system or only those that have changed since the last time the action was performed. If files are accidentally deleted or corrupted on the PC hard drive, the service is designed to restore saved versions or map them on a new PC.
Simple, integrated service experience. PC users will have one simple point of reference for checking the overall health of their system. Windows OneCare will automatically notify users of available updates or other recommended actions and enable users to easily act as needed. Otherwise, the service stays quiet and in the background.