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Microsoft Windows For Cash Registers

Inertia   on 25 May 2005 - 15:06 · 43 comments & 6269 views

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Microsoft Corp. has rolled out its first version of Windows Embedded tailored for a vertical market. Windows Embedded for Point of Service is a slimed-down version of Windows XP Service Pack 2 that maintains many of the desktop capabilities while adding some features specific for POS systems.

"What we are seeing in the past five to ten years is these systems have been moving to more PC-like architectures, and we made a conscious effort to get ahead of the wave," said Jason Demeny, product manager for Windows POS. He would not comment on whether Microsoft is planning other vertical-market versions of Windows.

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It is important to note that this issue is not a security vulnerability or a hack that puts customers at any risk, nor is it a vulnerability in the activeX control WGA uses to determine if a customer is running genuine Windows. This is simply an issue of users taking a validation code from a genuine copy of Windows and using it on a non-genuine copy of Windows. The threat is similar to that posed by the illegal distribution of software burned to CDs.

Of course a counterfeiter could use this method to steal software for themselves, but because the code expires quickly, it would be useless to share the code with any other users.

Q: Who would benefit from this practice?
A: This method of counterfeiting is only an option for relatively sophisticated users who are running both a genuine version of Windows (from which they would take the code) and a non-genuine version (to which they would apply it). This method only applies to the Download Center, where customers would need to know exactly what to look for, and not Windows Update or the Automatic Updates feature that most customers use.

Q: How does the code expire?
A: Microsoft “hashes” the PID returned from the validation tool (genuinecheck.exe) with a Microsoft.com timeserver time code that is checked by the page logic on the Download Center, which means the code is only valid for a short period of time.

Q: Does Microsoft have plans to change or improve WGA validation to address this vulnerability?
A: With WGA, Microsoft seeks to balance the need to make downloads easily available for customers, while trying to safeguard our IP from counterfeiters. In striking this balance, Microsoft will defer to the needs of its customers to validate their computers as easily as possible so that they can receive the updates they need to stay secure. Furthermore, because the code generated by the validation tool expires so quickly, we don’t perceive this as an issue significant enough to outweigh our customers’ needs for hassle-free downloads.

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(8 replies) #1 travis.cd on 25 May 2005 - 15:14
hah, Windows POS
#1.1 Ghostdraconi on 25 May 2005 - 15:19
I didn't even notice that
#1.2 mx3 on 25 May 2005 - 17:19
lmao. They're just asking for it with this one
#1.3 raid517 on 25 May 2005 - 17:47
Lol, finally they are admitting that Windows is a POS.

GJ
#1.4 todd` on 25 May 2005 - 19:01
Actually, they weren't.
#1.5 Mathiasdm on 25 May 2005 - 19:04
Come on, Todd! Laugh with it, it's not meant serious
#1.6 sphbecker on 25 May 2005 - 20:55
Point Of Sale (but yes, still funny).
#1.7 qkslvr221 on 25 May 2005 - 22:21
Wahahaha! How could they possibly miss that???
#1.8 PhantomPhil on 25 May 2005 - 22:43
WOO HOO no more boring quiet times at work - just open up Solitarie!

Hell, install Counter Strike. "Yes Sir, I'll be right with you - I am just owning the collegue to me left."
(1 reply) #2 ksalter on 25 May 2005 - 15:20
I can only imagine the immaturity of the comments to this news item...
#2.1 xMorpheousx416 on 25 May 2005 - 17:16
Oh come on now...step outside for a bit...gather some fresh air. The wording of the article, and it's contents left it wide open for a few stabs at humor. Lighten up.
#3 williamhook on 25 May 2005 - 15:24
LOL! Windows POS has crashed due to the fact that you are trying to sell something.
(1 reply) #4 AethylFilth on 25 May 2005 - 15:33
* Windows update detected money on your system. Money transferred, would you like to restart? *
#4.1 Liaqat_ali on 25 May 2005 - 23:33
hahahahahaha.....man.

that was a good one.
(7 replies) #5 xfodder on 25 May 2005 - 15:35
heh POS indeed, finally old bill has come to face facts.....

no but this is actually quite cool, POS system's are getting better and better, this is a smart move by microsoft, there arent many great POS software solutions out there...just as long as it doesnt crash
#5.1 joeydoo on 25 May 2005 - 15:44
All of tescos tills have had NT on them for many years (before that 3.1, 95 etc) its not really news.
#5.2 chrislewis85 on 25 May 2005 - 16:07
They used to, Tesco currently use Retalix POS systems. Perhaps Microsoft are cheesed off and trying to regain market share!
#5.3 Inertia on 25 May 2005 - 16:18
It is news . It is the release of a new version of Windows XP which is optimised for EPOS usage.

Im sure that people have been using microsoft OS`s liek this for years, but this is a new release.
#5.4 xMorpheousx416 on 25 May 2005 - 17:21
and those shiny new WalMart self checkout aisles run Windows NT 3.5. Something like almost 2 years or so after MS tossed it's support for the OS.

#5.5 Danrarbc641 on 25 May 2005 - 19:07
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and those shiny new WalMart self checkout aisles run Windows NT 3.5. Something like almost 2 years or so after MS tossed it's support for the OS.

Well, I know the main system in each store runs on NT4 Server (or at least the store I've seen, maybe newer stores got newer systems). The servers running on Pentium Pros in some of the stores. Occasionally it can take 30 seconds for things to show up on a register :p

You sure it's 3.5 and not NT4 on the self checkouts?



Although even with the age of the software and the hardware I can say I've never seen the system crash.
#5.6 xMorpheousx416 on 25 May 2005 - 20:42
It's 3.5 here at the store near us. I was there when the techs were cleaning the system, adding more values to the checkout items, and rebooting the system.
#5.7 iZian on 26 May 2005 - 09:32
Work @ Tesco. Everytime a checkout is rebooted it says it's running an NT OS. But if you think about it, Win XP is NT5 isnt it? Meh, i dunno what version of NT it was though, but I can safely say that MS operating systems in EPOS is far from new.
(1 reply) #6 fubarshibby on 25 May 2005 - 17:45
I love how Point of Sale has the same initials as Piece of Sh**. There are so many things that are said that you can make fun of for it... Like POS training, Windows POS, and many, many more...

In other news, this is pretty cool, but how stable is it? The POS system ( ) we use at my work is pretty old, but it has never once crashed. Can Windows POS claim the same stability? That's what companies are going to want to know...
#6.1 eRad on 25 May 2005 - 20:48
dude you try too hard..
(1 reply) #7 Vidar on 25 May 2005 - 19:36
Um. Isn't this old news? This was talked about in last years TS2 Conference in relation with the old Retail Management software. And enough with the Piece of Sh** comments. It was cute the first few times...
#7.1 Inertia on 25 May 2005 - 22:09
It was released today, it is todays news .
#8 AethylFilth on 25 May 2005 - 19:40
Windows POS!
(1 reply) #9 AshUK on 25 May 2005 - 22:23
Out POS terminals at work (Alton Towers) use Windows, there made by Epson and apparently cost £2,500 each according to the tech guy who always comes round to fix them, they keep crashing!!!
#9.1 Bluetooth on 27 May 2005 - 01:53
Thats a lot of money for a POS!!!
(1 reply) #10 feelgood13 on 25 May 2005 - 22:26
what is so funny about windows point of sale?
#10.1 PCyr on 25 May 2005 - 22:39
The article says "...manager for Windows POS."

POS is an acronym for Piece of Shyte
#11 PhantomPhil on 25 May 2005 - 22:44
WOO HOO no more boring quiet times at work - just open up Solitarie!

Hell, install Counter Strike. "Yes Sir, I'll be right with you - I am just owning the collegue to me left."
#12 Jelly2003 on 25 May 2005 - 23:12
BAH!! I wish that they had announced this two months ago when I actually could have used it!
#13 SoulEata on 26 May 2005 - 03:00
the irony in MS POS
#14 open_coder on 26 May 2005 - 05:44
POS! Lol. I like that. At least they finally admit it to the public. Did you know that before an inquiry at a press conference the windows update and web servers were run with linux. Then a guy inquired about it and they switched to Windows Server. POS indeed!

Although this is all in jest, I can't help but feel a little sympathetic to the guy in marketing who came up with this one. He probably got reemed out after this came out.

--Alex
#15 Mando on 26 May 2005 - 07:13
the correct term should have been EPOS as thats what the tills are classed as.

still made me chuckle with POS.
#16 Marshalus on 26 May 2005 - 14:51
The POS systems at my store run Windows 2000.

I'm was technically the "Point of Sale Coordinator" at my job, until right after I got appointed that we restructured the company a bit (we're opening a second store) and I requested my title be changed from "POS Coordinator" to just "Pricing Coordinator".

I couldn't stand being a POS.
#17 MtDewCodeRedFreak on 26 May 2005 - 16:30
*snickers* at the POS comments.
#18 The-VOICE on 27 May 2005 - 00:05
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Windows Embedded for Point of Service is a slimed-down version of Windows XP Service Pack 2...


Slimed? Windows meets GhostBusters!
#19 Jstphish on 27 May 2005 - 22:02
On a serious note:

I would never run Windows at the POS terminal (cash register). The Windows terminals we do have (run the wedding registery) crash more often than they should. Unix would be my only choice for a POS OS.
#20 Alan Zeino on 30 May 2005 - 02:48
YES! Msn messenger while I sell stuff.
#21 war on 30 May 2005 - 06:20
Well Kohls runs WinNT 4.0 with P4 and 128MB of Ram. I install POS systems for most business in the Columbia, SC area.
#22 TheSarge on 30 May 2005 - 22:58
Oh god, I can just see it now:

New critical vulnerability exposed in Win-duh-ows Cash Register Edition. Hackers have found a way to get free food from all the major fast-food chains by using a wireless-enabled laptop and awhen they drive up to the cash window. Bill Gates was not reachable for comment, but our Ronnald McDondald issued a press release, saying: "Initialy I suspected the Hamburgalur, but that guy is obsessed with hamburgers so it was a natural assumption. Officer Big-Mac and I will be leading the investigation. Unless, or course, I get hungry and eat him. After all, he is made out of two all-beef padiess, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions and a seasame-seed bun."

Man, I must be hungry or something.
<goes to Burger-King>
<gets a double whooper with cheese>
<has a heart attack from the cholesterall>
<dies a horrible, horible death>

(I am aware that this was a mostly random post)

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