Microsoft said Tuesday that it is expanding its Windows XP Starter Edition to include Mexico, with plans to eventually offer the low-cost operating system throughout Latin America.

The software maker said that the Spanish-language Windows XP Starter Edition will be made available on new PCs starting immediately in Mexico and Argentina, with a goal of offering the OS throughout Latin America in the coming months. XP Starter Edition is similar to other flavors of Windows XP, but is offered only as part of new low-end PCs in developing countries. It also has some limitations, such as the ability to run only three programs simultaneously.

News source: C|Net News.com


AMD said Intel’s illegal and unfair actions include the following:
  • Intel has forced major customers into exclusive or near-exclusive deals;
  • Intel has conditioned rebates, allowances and market development funding on customers’ agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD;
  • Intel has established a system of discriminatory, retroactive, first-dollar rebates triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the practical and intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD;
  • Intel has threatened retaliation against customers introduc ing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments;
  • Intel has established and enforced quotas among key retailers effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, Intel-powered computers, thereby artificially limiting consumer choice;
  • It has forced PC makers and technology partners to boycott AMD product launches and promotions;
  • Intel has abused its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products which have as their central purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.



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(8 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #1 Posted by jubber2002 on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:05
Wow Microsoft can screw many people over a deal with some sort of "limitation". I think food or money would be better for those countries.
Quote this comment #1.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:12
Considering that most of the computers sold in these countries are second hand, donated from businesses, and considering that the average specs is incredibly low, those limitations don't really affect them much.

In comparison to western/asian computing it is thoroughly backwards, but for them it is a useful product. Microsoft needs this market, as many redistributors of computers use Linux due to its customisablity and low cost or simply pirate Windows.
Quote this comment #1.2 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:13
MS is not doing this out of charity; they are trying to make money and expand their market. The feeling is that if MS sells Windows for $25 to a country that otherwise wouldn’t buy it at all then MS is coming out ahead.
Quote this comment #1.3 Posted by m_cochegrus on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:50
Dude, do some research, we have computers as fast as you can get in US. Americans often visualize countries as Mexico with the classical stereotype image of a guy dressed with a sarape sitting by a cactus. So far away from reality...
Quote this comment #1.4 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:05
I was talking more specifically about the other regions that this covers, rather than Mexico in particular. Due to Mexico being the last to receive this program I would assume that there is greater comparative wealth/less piracy.
Quote this comment #1.5 Posted by jubber2002 on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:33
I actually now don't remember what country I was thinking about. But no, I do not think of some guy sitting next to a cactus. I'm thinking of countries where they cannot buy food yet alone support their own child.(The people of the country)
Quote this comment #1.6 Posted by Julius Caro on 29 Jun 2005 - 21:20
I don't think mexico is a poor country at all... microsoft is just doing this to fight off piracy. At certain prices, people would pay instead of using pirated copies.
Quote this comment #1.7 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 22:10
Mexico isn't poor, they just have a corrupt govenment.
Quote this comment #1.8 Posted by Rodrigo on 30 Jun 2005 - 00:10
^ Exactly!
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #2 Posted by Magallanes on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:10
Why the people will buy a limited version, when they can have the complete version for free?.

<taco bell language ON>
jajajaja, y creen que por hacernos una "rebaja" a cambio de darnos un producto que no sirve de nada, vamos a comprarles?. Pa'mi que los de marketing son unos boludos.
<taco bell language OFF>

Quote this comment #2.1 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:14
Becuase this version is legal and supported.
Quote this comment #2.2 Posted by M2Ys4U on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:34
I wouldn't care
Quote this comment #2.3 Posted by DJROrion on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:38
QUOTE
I wouldn't care


And when you go to prison for software piracy and are sodomized none of us will care either.
Quote this comment #2.4 Posted by bluarash on 29 Jun 2005 - 21:41
You need help. I am not going to condone software privacy, but to equate it to this type of human behavior (rape) is very unprofessional. Human life is actually still considered more important than software even when taking into consideration IP issues. There are always legal options to consider against those who choose to violate software licenses.
Quote this comment #2.5 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 22:13
He wasn't equating software piracy to rape, just stating that it is something that often happens in prison. I have actualy never heard of anyone doing jail time for software piracy, just fines. The amount of the fine depends on how much you stole, but it is almost a lot more then if you had just bought the stuff in the first place.
Quote this comment #2.6 Posted by DJROrion on 30 Jun 2005 - 12:05
thank you sphbecker...reading comprehension is a great thing.
(9 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #3 Posted by lbmouse on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:21
Great business plan...

1. Create an operating system
2. Break it
3. Sell it to developing nations
4. ?
5. PROFIT!!!!

Further proof that some companies have no soul.
Quote this comment #3.1 Posted by DJROrion on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:30
Well when you consider that they sell an operating system now that has everything and people are suing them to make it LESS of what it actually is..why not try this.
Quote this comment #3.2 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:15
Okay.... and your plan would be??? This limited version of XP is not all that bad. It can do most of what XP Pro can do, but with a few of the flashy features disabled. I guess you could agrue that MS should sell the full version at a lower price, but then everyone would get upset for selling the same thing in the US for more.
Quote this comment #3.3 Posted by djesteban on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:21
why in hell would we get upset for? they don't make the same salary has you do... but does that necessarily mean that they should get a product that's less performant than the one you have?
Quote this comment #3.4 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:35
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they don't make the same salary has you do... but does that necessarily mean that they should get a product that's less performant than the one you have?


Capitalism says: Yes
Quote this comment #3.5 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 18:03
What is the big deal??? Name one important feature that Microsoft removed from this OS that makes it so bad? Or are you perhaps doing all of this complaining without even looking at what XP Starter Edition has to offer?
Quote this comment #3.6 Posted by CaKeY on 29 Jun 2005 - 18:53
800x600 max resolution
Quote this comment #3.7 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 19:15
Yes, the big limits are the 800x600 max resolution and the 3 program at a time limit. So this is clrealy not a good choice for power users (which is probibly all of use), but just fine for 90% of other computer users.
Quote this comment #3.8 Posted by markjensen on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:02
According to this Microsoft page, the max resolution of XP SE is 1024x768 (must have had a lot of negative feedback on their original 800x600). This is a do-able resolution for casual computing.

They still have other original limits:

  • no shared folder (or printer) on a home network
  • only 3 apps at once (there are people where I work that habitually close thier current app before opening a new one)
  • no individual logins for other family members
Does this make XP SE a bad OS? No. Just limited from what most of us are used to.
Quote this comment #3.9 Posted by NeoReader on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:30
Actually it sounds like a good starting point for a learning machine.
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #4 Posted by Mr. Dee on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:21
When are they going to offer a Windows Server 2003 Starter Edition?
Quote this comment #4.1 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:17
They may already be selling the existing Windows Server to these same contries for a lower price. I really know don't. At the very least they are probibly getting a price cut on CALs.
(8 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #5 Posted by SoNiCfReAk on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:34
Linux can save these people!
Quote this comment #5.1 Posted by kirk26 on 29 Jun 2005 - 16:41
They won't be able to do anything then!
Quote this comment #5.2 Posted by mr_demilord on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:34
Funny comment, Linux is more usable then windows becos it has tons and tons of software that can easily replace M$ software.

I bet you never used linux eh?

And atleast you don't have crappy limitations like 4 running aplications at a same time and a resolution of 800X600
Quote this comment #5.3 Posted by LTD on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:06
I used Linux for over a year - Mandrake, PClinuxOS, and Ubuntu.

The OS's themeselves aren't bad, but most of the applications for Linux are garbage.

The only decent open source offerings out there are most of Mozilla's offerings, OpenOffice, and perhaps K3B. Yet, 2 out of 3 of these are also available for Windows. No real reason to use Linux.
Quote this comment #5.4 Posted by markjensen on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:07
... and here I was, hoping to have discussion without anyone using "M$".
Quote this comment #5.5 Posted by LTD on 29 Jun 2005 - 23:17
You get alot of that when there's discussion that involves both Microsoft and Linsucks.

Quote this comment #5.6 Posted by diamonds on 30 Jun 2005 - 09:50
lol linsucks
Quote this comment #5.7 Posted by Treefrog on 30 Jun 2005 - 15:17
You spelled Microsux wrong... or is it Microshaft.. eh, I forget because that company doesn't have anything I need.
Quote this comment #5.8 Posted by LTD on 30 Jun 2005 - 16:37
lol . . . . now it's a party!
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #6 Posted by Lasker on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:38
mmmm who's going to buy this crap??? only people with no brain, linux is by far superior to this crap starter edition and is free for anyone, if I'm from a developing nation with no money I will go for the cheap one
Quote this comment #6.1 Posted by DJROrion on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:43
Grab a citizen off the street in any country and ask them "woud you download and use linux?" Then another and another and another untill you get to one that has any idea wtf your talking about. Then come back and ask that same ignorant question again about who would buy it.
(4 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #7 Posted by seebaran on 29 Jun 2005 - 15:54
Why the heck are some of you so cynical? They are offering a sound solution. Can't big biz do something nice without their motives being question?
Quote this comment #7.1 Posted by rah2 on 29 Jun 2005 - 16:50
Very rarely does "big biz" act unless it's in their interest. Besides, this is about competition with Linux and a response to Latin America’s refusal to let Microsoft/US interests dominate the region (again).
Quote this comment #7.2 Posted by djesteban on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:19
they should just sell them the full version cheaper...
now what they are doing is simply outrageous... just because those country have less money, it doesn't mean you have to threat people like inferiors
but that's just what microsoft is doing... it's just an excuse for microsoft to say... "hey, look! we are selling windows for cheap and you seeeee, thsoe bad people won't even buy it" but everyone knows that this version has been butchered like hell...

I can understand they don't want to sell a full fledge version of XP pro for a lot less than in the US for exemple... because anyway XP pro was made primarily for workstation. But they could certainly give the same XP home version that's offered in the US for a lot less in these countries.... now you'd see people buying legit version
Quote this comment #7.3 Posted by sphbecker on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:20
QUOTE
Very rarely does "big biz" act unless it's in their interest.


This is in MS' interest. It grows their market share and allows them to collect money (while be it a smaller amount then normal) from customers who would otherwise not consider paying the full price.

However, I don't see the beef with Microsoft. Sure, it is a good move for them, but it the same time it allows developing nation to actually be able to legally install Windows and get support at a price they can afford.
Quote this comment #7.4 Posted by rah2 on 29 Jun 2005 - 18:36
Right, I agree…MS does stand to gain profit by expanding. But what I was trying to say is that, I don’t believe a big conglomerate like MS would bother unless their prospects are at risk. I mean, MS are not exactly known for having the friendliest of business practices…but that’s a whole other topic I guess.

Now, if this helps the local economies of a nation to develop and people can benefit...then it's all good. I just think it would have been better to offer a "standard" version of an OS, instead of a thumbed down one.

Just my opinion…now I’m off to the beach!!
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #8 Posted by Nexus on 29 Jun 2005 - 16:33


I'll buy it for 20 Pesos
Quote this comment #8.1 Posted by Rodrigo on 30 Jun 2005 - 00:15
So you'll buy XP SE for 2 dollars, right?
(4 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #9 Posted by TwoTailedFox on 29 Jun 2005 - 16:50
A low-cost feature-limited edition, or a free hacked copy with a 640 PID?

I know which one I'd choose.
Quote this comment #9.1 Posted by mr_demilord on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:36
or a free open source fully functional OS for free
Quote this comment #9.2 Posted by DJROrion on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:33
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fully functional


Unless you have a wireless mouse and keyboard.

Go ahead now and tell me about 40 different programs you can download, compile, install and update that will get your mouse and keyboard working. And then explain to me how to do it with no mouse or keyboard.
Quote this comment #9.3 Posted by petroid on 30 Jun 2005 - 00:46
Well, that's easy (sorta) DJOrion...
Most distros now support wireless keyboards by default, but if not, do the install via telnet, which most distros also support in one way or another and often have enabled by default .
Quote this comment #9.4 Posted by DJROrion on 30 Jun 2005 - 12:05
Good point...and the average citizen would know that? I think not. Thats why Microsoft has the money...because they appeal to what people know. I doubt any average computer user would know anything about that. I can ya my mom who has been using computers for 10 years has no clue what linux is and thinks windows is the only way to go. Thats why Microsoft has the client base and always will. Visibility.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #10 Posted by M2Ys4U on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:37
Microsoft: Ripping off and locking customers in one poor contry at a time.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #11 Posted by tiwaris on 29 Jun 2005 - 17:54
I am searching for a copy of this starter edition. This version would be great to run on vmware on top of linux

BTW, most of the limitations should be easy to break, unless hard-coded.
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #12 Posted by Zerbs on 29 Jun 2005 - 18:00
What I don't understand is why Microsoft doesn't have a starter edition in the U.S.? I'm sure there are people here who would prefer a low cost standard Windows system over the complexity of Linux, with all its different flavors and uncertainty. Maybe then some of the hoards of Windows 98 people could upgrade without spending over $100.
Quote this comment #12.1 Posted by fpd on 29 Jun 2005 - 18:27
Maybe because it is rubbish.
Maybe because the american buyer knows it is rubbish.
Or maybe it'd just make microsoft look stupid.

The secondary aim of this product is to deter piracy in places where people cannot afford Windows. However, the main aim is to prevent people in wealthy countries buying a cut-cost fully functional version of Windows; rather than reduce the price of regular Windows they will instead exploit the guilt of a few poor people in mexico and make them buy the crippled edition.
Quote this comment #12.2 Posted by DJROrion on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:31
Or maybe we have the money to pay for the full so the market would be dry. Did I say that outloud? Sue me. seems to be the trend.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #13 Posted by bsharp on 29 Jun 2005 - 18:36
I think this will be good news for the people. I know A few guys from INDIA and they say they love Windows. Mostly all they had to work with was Linux or BSD and they hated it and only the rich have windows. And for Microsoft to see that all contries are not as welthy as its own and cut them a deal is a good thing I think.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #14 Posted by Ironman273 on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:18
If you take a look at the cars in Mexico, you'll see that (of the cheaper ones that are also offered here) they don't come with airbags or catalytic converters. This helps keep the price down. It's a matter of economies.

Also, some of the comments on here, if translated to car terms, are basically "Why would I buy a car with no airbag? I'll just steal one that does have airbags, it doesn't bother my conscience. LOL!!!!111!!!1!!!1"
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #15 Posted by Vakerorokero on 29 Jun 2005 - 20:56
Man, and I just got Windows x64 retail and Media center 2005 for $1 each. That what i get for not waiting for official releases!

Microsoft is trying for people to change their free pirated version for a very cheap Windows on their computers. The only people that actually pay for windows are enterprises and even them don't upgrade.

What you people are saying that the poor people get free software like linux are very mistaken. poor people get pirate versions. Rich people actually buy licenses. American get to buy upgrades each year. Mexicans just get the product again with the upgrades installed for $1.

American get most products cheapers is because you have different methods of goverment collecting. That's why the imini is $599 in US and $700 in Europe and $800 in latin america.
Cars get all upgrades over there because have lots of choices and the market needs to offer the best they got.

Over here in Mexico, the the big companies tried to corner the market using their money on politicians to keep away European brands and Japanese brands so they became the ones using that method of "takingawayforabetterprice" but thanks to NAFTA all your used cars keep ending up here for silly prices compared to new models. And thanks to the Vicente Fox goverment all the brands from everywhere are here and are taking away from GM and Ford the market. Even the VW have to change their ways of offering little cars for big money because they lost the 4 cylinder market.

"The secondary aim of this product is to deter piracy in places where people cannot afford Windows. However, the main aim is to prevent people in wealthy countries buying a cut-cost fully functional version of Windows; rather than reduce the price of regular Windows they will instead exploit the guilt of a few poor people in mexico and make them buy the crippled edition."

It won't change anything. Is harder to find a Original copy of Windows Xp than a pirate copy. Let alone the Crippled version. The only original thing I buy here are Apple products. (imported for US of couse for the american price). which are considered a luxury over here and just for bragging. Everyone buys their computer piece by piece.

Thanks to the Bush administration you are probably going to have to comply with microsoft since you will be target as terrorist if you used pirate Windows.
Quote this comment #15.1 Posted by Huezo on 29 Jun 2005 - 21:24
"Is harder to find a Original copy of Windows Xp than a pirate copy. Let alone the Crippled version."

That is so true.

I only know one person who uses a legit copy of XP. But then again, most of the people I know just use Macs.

I honestly don't see how this could work. Why would the average person in Mexico want to go through all the trouble of finding where the low-cost version of Windows is sold at, paying for it and then getting reduced functionality when the full-featured pirated copy is more readily available and easier to find, at nearly no cost?
Its not like you'll get in any trouble at all for using a full-featured non-legit copy either, what if they caught me using a pirated copy of Windows XP? (I use a Mac anyway), what are they going to do? Cry about it? Tell me to please buy a legit copy? Fine me five pesos? Thank you, play again.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #16 Posted by - diego - on 29 Jun 2005 - 21:07
sucks...

nobody here in Argentina is going to buy that windows..

Quote this comment Reply to this comment #17 Posted by ArtOf_War on 29 Jun 2005 - 21:14
I live in Mexico and:

- A lot of people buy their computers (new) through the phone company with internet acces and stuff like that and I don't think the phone company would offer this on anything but the lowest end model

- A lot of people would screw this and just get a pirated version of XP Pro

- Unlike some guy above said most computers are actually able to run XP
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #18 Posted by Vakerorokero on 29 Jun 2005 - 21:23
when you need windows xp support you buy the 5 dvdr set of "Windows help for MIcrosoft licensed Program schools" for $5 which I think is $10,000 dollars. we pay $5 because dvdr are more expensive.

Dude, You are mistaken. this is Mexico, no one goes to jail for buying pirated material. Most of the time you don't go to jail for selling it. American do need to be afraid of that because you got the RIAA and the the Hollywood guys and Microsoft trying to control you (which it does). Isn't illegal software and Mp3, "tools terrorists use to fund wars again the people of America"?
we don't believe that. Poor people don't use computers. Poor people here in Mexico go to live the American dream, like most latin americans. Poor people that need computers go to use PC on Cybercafes for 60 cents an hour. the most of us use the markets to buy our software which is the big problem microsoft has. and the rest of us use edonkey to find our needs. A very little segment of mexicans (which is the 10% of filthy rich or saudiarabian rich so you understand) are the ones that buy original brands and original software. no one else.
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #19 Posted by Skyfrog on 29 Jun 2005 - 22:32
Quote this comment #19.1 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 30 Jun 2005 - 04:14
Cartoon Network America recently sealed off Speedy Gonzales permanently, calling it a racist stereo-type. When will the political correct BS end?
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #20 Posted by Colonel_Angus on 29 Jun 2005 - 23:12
"Windows XP Starter Edition - Windows for the brown man."

-Bill Gates, June 2005
Quote this comment #20.1 Posted by TheSarge on 29 Jun 2005 - 23:46
Do you seriously expect anyone to belive he actualy said that?
If so, quote your source.
Or better yet, show us some video of him saying that.

Quote this comment #20.2 Posted by LTD on 30 Jun 2005 - 03:17
He didn't say it. Bill Gates is VERY careful with his words, and always quite diplomatic. If anything, I'd expect Steve Jobs to make such comments. He can be quite (publicly!) vulgar when he's frustrated. But I doubt that he'd even be so boorish as to say that.

No, that post is just more Windows-bashing.

People who realize that their OS doesn't belong to the 93%+ market-share-club often develop a David vs. Goliath complex, that has more to do with being completely ot of touch with reality than heroism.
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #21 Posted by TheSarge on 29 Jun 2005 - 23:52
I wouldn't use this "Starter Edition" crap if you paid me. That would just be stupid.
Quote this comment #21.1 Posted by LTD on 30 Jun 2005 - 03:08
All depends on your income, how badly you need/want Windows, and your willingness/unwillingness to get a pirated full version. Depends where you live, demographics, etc.

Lots of people are clamoring for Windows. Hell, Media Player 10 and full device recognition alone (both your own hardware and the devices you buy) is a great reason.

If you could then easily get pirated Windows apps as opposed to free/open-source Linux apps, the choice would be Windows software. InDesign vs. uh . . . . . Abiword, or Scribus. LOL, there is NO comparison.

Of course, Mozilla apps and OpenOffice hold their own very well. I'm not including those under the "Linux applications suck" heading.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #22 Posted by Cask1 on 03 Jul 2005 - 17:40
Well they are attacking MExico not because the country of poor, but because piracy here has reached really high levels. Like some people said, I don´t know anyone who has a legit copy of windows xp, unless it came preinstalled with their computers (like me, I have a legit XP Pro copy that came with my toshiba laptop). Every piece of software can be found in markets, from games to things like autocad. Movie and music piracy is also a major concern. I think I so the Workprint version of Episode III before I even saw it on the net, and it already came with Spanish track. And people buy it, and you would think this places are hidden or something, but they are not, they can be found anywhere in MExico City.
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