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MSI (nearly) pulls the plug on enthusiasts

Steven Parker   on 04 July 2005 - 21:26 · 40 comments & 2079 views

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MSI, the Taiwan based motherboard maker, threatened to take down its DNS entry for the MSI HQ User Community Forum, a free site supported by MSI and run by enthusiasts. The threat came after a user who visited the site downloaded a beta BIOS and then sued MSI most likely after flashing his motherboard with it and getting a somewhat negative result.

The site's policy includes disclaimers for the use of beta BIOS files, but initially this didn't deter MSI from telling the forum administrator, Bas, their decision to drop support by removing the DNS entry to msi.com.tw. He called on members to email their thoughts to MSI and the result was a positive outcome for the forum, which shows how much weight the free enthusiasts community have up against the commercial companies they support.

Its always a risk for companies to show direct support for communities they have no direct support over, in this case they are able to remove the msi.com.tw entry from their own name servers, but in all fairness this issue isn't the community forum's fault, its the fault of the guy who played with fire by using unsupported BETA software and then needed someone else to take the fall.

View: MSI threatens 'Take down'
View: MSI backs down
News source: Timmah's post in Back Page News


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Unfortunately the headset is extremely unlikely, however a movement sensor could still be implemented.

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(2 replies) #1 abrooks on 04 Jul 2005 - 21:33
Everyone knows that Flashing a BIOS is not the best idea unless really needed, and if they don't know that then the warnings should make it obvious.
#1.1 DigeratiPrime on 04 Jul 2005 - 21:55
yeah that person is a freaking idiot.
#1.2 Colin-uk on 05 Jul 2005 - 11:28
it was a BETA too
#2 toadeater on 04 Jul 2005 - 21:35
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a user who visited the site downloaded a beta BIOS and then sued MSI most likely after flashing his motherboard with it and getting a somewhat negative result.


Don't they have a EULA about this sort of stuff?

I think the real issue is that we need more computer-literate judges.
#3 Timmah on 04 Jul 2005 - 21:36
Aww thanks for the credit man!

Nice write up
(1 reply) #4 Shibby on 04 Jul 2005 - 21:50
wow basicly everything BETA is not supported by any maker and only support it when a final version has been released.

they mite as well smack this guy with a whale and call him DUMB
#4.1 Saadu on 04 Jul 2005 - 22:04
I will join you in kicking this guy in the nads.
#5 SIG on 04 Jul 2005 - 22:05
What an asshat
#6 Rob2687 on 04 Jul 2005 - 22:14
I've broken a board or two with ASUS betas...maybe I should sue them
(1 reply) #7 Shibby on 04 Jul 2005 - 22:27
i brought a tire which was squre and since it was only in the testin stages i tryed it
guess what my car doesn not move and just gives me loads of smoke from under the bonnet

LETS SUE MICHELIN TYRES
#7.1 rm20010 on 05 Jul 2005 - 02:23
LMAO, square tires? Here's a better analogy:

Some manufacturer hands away free prototype tires made of a rubber substitute, and they also caution that the tires may explode if too much friction is applied to them. Some idiot tests these tires on his souped up car, starts the car, floods the gas - and the tires explode. Then he sues the manufacturer.

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Back on topic. Let's just hope that on the software side, for something like the Longhorn betas, that some incompetent user won't sue MS if the beta screws up his HD.

OT: at least these guys have updated BIOSes for their motherboards. My motherboard never had a BIOS update.
(2 replies) #8 koppit on 04 Jul 2005 - 22:57
what a smacktard. What is with all of these stupid people thinking they can make an easy buck by trying to sue everyone in sight? What the F$% is this world coming to.
#8.1 Ava3ar on 04 Jul 2005 - 23:25
this is what happens when you stop us from stopping pirates importing tea
#8.2 AJCrowley Esq on 05 Jul 2005 - 11:17
So it would seem....lol
(1 reply) #9 nic on 04 Jul 2005 - 23:31
Even flashing non-beta versions of BIOS ROMs usually nullifies your warrenty.
#9.1 TwoTailedFox on 05 Jul 2005 - 02:33
If the flash is successful, it doesn't affect it. Only if the flash goes wrong, does it invalidate the warrenty
(2 replies) #10 soldier1st on 04 Jul 2005 - 23:59
only flash your bios if say windows or if you have a particular peace of hardware that needs the new bios,beta bioses are NOT guaranteed to work,if you take it to a store to flash it then that does NOT viod your warranty,i have killed 2 old comps by flashing the bios so i don't do it anymore and yes that kid was stupid and stupid things happen.
#10.1 brew crew on 05 Jul 2005 - 00:25
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only flash your bios if say windows or if you have a particular peace of hardware that needs the new bios


hate to tell yah but you never have to flash your bios because of windows
#10.2 tele-fragd on 05 Jul 2005 - 00:58
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only flash your bios if say windows or if you have a particular peace of hardware that needs the new bios

hmm let's see... nothing?
#11 Jugalator on 05 Jul 2005 - 00:13
What the heck... Why threaten to take down the site? If MSI void the warranty for this, it's no problem for them.
Even if just a threat, this sounds like a stupid way just alienating yourself from your community that has/will purchase your products.

Wrong group to threaten, MSI.

It wouldn't even help if they did do what they threatened with. What relationship has a community site and stupid people using unsupported BIOS'es and suing them? With that one dead, they could get that stuff from many other computer sites.
#12 Staind on 05 Jul 2005 - 01:38
Can we say he's a n00b? No sense of responsibility. MSI is a really good manufacturer, hope it can handle this rightly.
#13 dhitb on 05 Jul 2005 - 02:36
Shame on that fcuktard. All it takes is one person with no brain to screw it up for everyone. Glad the company actually listened to reason. There's always going to be the minority who is looking to take a good thing, in this case an unofficial and unsupported BIOS and the ability to sue anyone for any reason, and abuse it.
#14 TheSarge on 05 Jul 2005 - 03:46
So, you're saying that the ability to sue anyone for any reason is a good thing?
#15 DrunkenMaster on 05 Jul 2005 - 04:15
I'm not sure that I agree with the user. But from the little that I *do* remember about legal disclaimers, they do not always allow the company to completely waive your right. I'll use a different field to explain (and I'm not saying the cases are equal, just that the context is similar). If you go to a surgeon, and he/she messes up your surgery - even if the surgeon made you sign a disclaimer - if you can prove gross negligence then you might have a case.

Maybe the warning wasn't included, visible enough. Or, likely, its another person taking advantage of the American court system and suing because he can.
#16 SquareSoft0 on 05 Jul 2005 - 06:17
Beeeeeettttttaaaaa. Funny stuff.
BTW- Happy Independence Day, Americans. Wooooooo.
#17 paulladle on 05 Jul 2005 - 08:16
And a new board costs how much today? What a monkeywit, if I screwed a board with a Beta BIOS (and I like playing with BIOS updates) after googling to see if there was any possible way of fixing it I'd buy another.
#18 bsharp on 05 Jul 2005 - 09:38
I guess some people can hot flash a bios and some cant. I guess some people would know what I was talking about and most dont?
#19 Jonathans on 05 Jul 2005 - 10:02
Does anyone actualy know who this person was? the one that suid MSI for the beta flash?
#20 SojIrOu on 05 Jul 2005 - 11:09
yeah. how much can a new board be $100-$200? the legal fees would cost more than that. besides it was his fault that he flashed his motherboard with a beta bios.
#21 Ideas Man on 05 Jul 2005 - 12:46
I can see where MSI was coming from and taking it off their DNS servers is good... in theory. If you see it from their POV, it would help to protect themselves from faggots such as this who are stupid enough to do the wrong thing, take the chance and stuff up their gear only to sue the person who hosts the files/forum, even though it was their fault, they installed it, they have to blame someone and why blame yourself when you can blame someone else... and get free money too .

At what stage are people going to take responsibility for their actions instead of suing everybody to fix their problem? This is just plain stupid and there should be no way on earth he should win. For starters, it's beta software, which is buggy in nature, they are more than likely not supported by MSI, and the fact that they do the community a service by providing that forum for people just goes to show that even when you try to help, you can be sued.
(5 replies) #22 Adequate on 05 Jul 2005 - 14:56
Well, this proved to me that MSI are a bunch of cowards, nothing more!

Why would anyone even Flash their BIOSes (without having bad intentions, that is)? That's stuff only black hats do so they can circumvent security features of popular websites such as cnn.com.

I'm certain that BIOS flashing is a scheme by terrorist groups so they can declare cyberwar against the greatest country in the world, the USA. It will not work, for nothing can even come close to stop the USA. Nothing did, nothing will!
#22.1 dragon2611 on 05 Jul 2005 - 15:15
usally people flash the bios to fix a bug or add a new feature such as support for newer cpus

ive had to flash a bios before due to a bug in the usb keyboard/mouse support.
#22.2 Adequate on 05 Jul 2005 - 15:16
You see, that's black hat propaganda right there!

Justifications to hide your sin! I just hope you get jailed soon enough for supporting terrorism!
#22.3 koppit on 05 Jul 2005 - 19:36
*yawn* ...troll...
#22.4 Adequate on 06 Jul 2005 - 00:01
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*yawn* ...troll...


...is the response of those without any logical arguments to respond properly.
#22.5 wildk on 06 Jul 2005 - 12:03
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I'm certain that BIOS flashing is a scheme by terrorist groups so they can declare cyberwar

I'm certain that you sir are a grade A fruitcake, Seriously where did you come up with that idea, When companies such as dell will not even provide support unless you have flashed to the latest BIOS on their machines( as happened with the 700 Plus SX280's my employer has just bought) I'm sure dell are supporting cyber warfare against their home nation.

but at least you gave me a laugh
#23 Azmodan on 05 Jul 2005 - 18:49
Is this the kind of freedom MSI gives to his customers.. his followers and fans.. I find myself, quite dissapointed with their "plug pulling", as I myself, being an MSI fan from the years past, found some interest stuff on their boards. This is outrageous. Not in part by the asshat that leaked the beta, but the company desicion, like that being an excuse, the "trigger" to make them do those steps. I hope no other "inhuman" companies take this steps to eliminate their fans and followers.
(1 reply) #24 plasticparadox on 06 Jul 2005 - 02:37
How is this news? Looks like someone over at the board in question just posted this on Neowin to crank up the hits on this forum and get his own way...
#24.1 Neobond on 06 Jul 2005 - 05:36
if you had read the entire article you would of seen that it was already resolved before I posted. My post was after the effect but to my mind still valid news.

Your opinion is noted though, even if I feel its invalid.
#25 Fredrik Åsenius on 06 Jul 2005 - 23:19
Hello!
Whatever the reason, the MSI user-to-user forum seems to be down completely now. Hope so to speak it is for maintenance only, and not political or something.

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