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Microsoft Denies its Antispyware Favors Claria

malebolgia   on 11 July 2005 - 22:38 · 71 comments & 3655 views

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Microsoft is moving to quash claims that its antispyware tool is now giving preferential treatment to adware maker Claria.

The beta version of Microsoft AntiSpyware previously recommended that users quarantine several products from Claria, but this changed last week. According to a statement published by Microsoft, the downgrade in threat level merely represents an effort to be "fair and consistent with how Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) handles similar software from other vendors." The news comes at a sensitive time, as Microsoft is reportedly in acquisition talks with Claria.

News source: C|Net News.com


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(18 replies) #1 denzilla on 11 Jul 2005 - 22:41
I uninstalled MS Antispyware a couple of weeks ago. Its corrupted as far as I'm concerned.
#1.1 Porp on 11 Jul 2005 - 22:47
Have fun with spyware!
#1.2 PCyr on 11 Jul 2005 - 22:51
@Porp, you know there's alternatives right?
#1.3 denzilla on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:13
I still use ad-aware + Spybot + Spyware Blaster+ FF.
#1.4 threedaysdwn on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:23
Why use one program when you can use four?
#1.5 AdmiralElitist on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:27
I use Adaware, Spybot, Microsoft AntiSpyware, SpySweeper, and Spyware Blaster. Adaware finds stuff that Spybot does not. Microsoft AntiSpyware finds stuff that Adaware and Spybot both miss. You get the idea - all of them seem to catch stuff that the other ones miss so using more than one is smart. I fix computers for a living and I have had people bring in computers acting funny because of what seemed to be spyware. They brag about using Spybot and Adaware with the latest definitions and while that was sufficient at one point in time, it no longer is. I ran Microsoft AntiSpyware on it, low and behold it found 8 or so different things. Removed them, restarted, computer worked fine. Spyware Blaster is also a must to prevent ever getting it in the first place but there is no substitute for common sense. Firefox is also not a bad idea.
#1.6 mzhao on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:55
I use Ad-Aware, Spybot, CounterSpy, Spyware Blaster, SpywareGuard, BHO Demon, HijackThis!, of course Firefox, and a few more. They all work great...together.
#1.7 Jugalator on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:57
My god, you're using a lot

I'm using Adaware and Spybot.

And keep in mind that if you just run MS Antispyware, you'll run into a similar problem as with just using one of another kind of spyware.
#1.8 Ravensworth on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:02
I have Spybot and I've used Ad-Aware, but all they ever find are harmless cookies. How do people get all this spyware on their systems anyway?
#1.9 Jugalator on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:12
They use IE / Outlook a lot?

Or maybe have careless family members...

Personally, I check quite rarely just to see if something sneaked in despite my carefulness. It happens occasionally with software that looks to be the most harmless thing in the world, sneaking this thing in. Last time with a pretty cool OpenGL screensaver I was checking out in a Neowin thread. It doesn't happen too often, and with these two tools I never have any special problems with it, so I'm satisfied with these two.
#1.10 yisman on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:58
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I use Adaware, Spybot, Microsoft AntiSpyware, SpySweeper, and Spyware Blaster.


I used the same until yesterday. My trial version of Spy Sweeper expired. When I figure out how to clean out all remnants of it, the trial version will return to join Spybot, Adaware, MS anti-spy, and Spyware Blaster.
#1.11 TheSarge on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:37
Trusting that Microsoft will fix any problems you may have with Spyware is like trusting that your Mayor fix any problems you may have with your city. It might happen, but you'd be a fool not to assume otherwise and act accordingly.
Don't assume that Microsoft is going to protect you.

Spybot S&D, AdAware, and SpywareBlaster all do an excelent job. Combine those three with a good Antivirus, a personal firewall, a firewalled router, and common sense. The result should be that you will hardly ever see anything but minor annoyances. I say "hardly ever" becasue no plan is fool-proof and everyone makes mistakes.
#1.12 AdmiralElitist on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:45
Microsoft AntiSpyware is still pretty much Giant AntiSpyware. I never said JUST use that. I said use that and some of the other leading titles. Spyware is such a huge threat, it is better to be safe than sorry.
#1.13 SVT on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:45
I use FreeBSD, FreeBSD, and uh... FreeBSD to stop spyware. And I'm better protected than anyone who just posted above me
#1.14 lare2 on 12 Jul 2005 - 04:10
And your leet ego is also waaay higher than abyone that posted above you
#1.15 shao on 12 Jul 2005 - 14:07
clean pc + spywareblaster + ms antispyware = clean pc. and i don't have to use some half assed linux attempt at a modern os.
#1.16 TheSarge on 12 Jul 2005 - 18:40
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I use FreeBSD, FreeBSD, and uh... FreeBSD to stop spyware. And I'm better protected than anyone who just posted above me

So... if you don't have any antivirus or antispyware tools, how do you know that?
Methinks he doth asume too much.
#1.17 SVT on 12 Jul 2005 - 20:41
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So... if you don't have any antivirus or antispyware tools, how do you know that?


Easy, Tripwire is in the FreeBSD ports collection pwned.
#1.18 Fanon on 12 Jul 2005 - 22:57
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How do people get all this spyware on their systems anyway?


It's called "I click OK to everything" sydrome. I use IE, and I've never had spy-/ad-ware problems. I guess I'm one of the smart ones...
(2 replies) #2 EduardValencia on 11 Jul 2005 - 22:41
only rumors to descredit microsoft,why i'm thinking this isn't new?
#2.1 Jugalator on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:59
You think it's not worth to discredit Microsoft when they downgrade spyware threat levels?

Give me one reason to why MS Antispyware shouldn't remove Claria adware by default when it can.

In their open letter, Microsoft tells they're staying clear with certain bundled adware to be fair with other ad companies:
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We also decided that adjustments should be made to the classification of Claria software in order to be fair and consistent with how Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) handles similar software from other vendors.

Now, what's not brain dead about that philosophy?

Is this an adware removal tool or a tool that makes a difference between adware and adware?


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#2.2 mr_demilord on 12 Jul 2005 - 07:54
I agree
(5 replies) #3 LTD on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:05
MS anti-spyware is actually VERY good, based heavily on GIANT Co.'s anti-spyware software. It was a good move on MS' part, and it works nicely.

LOL. Microsoft is giving you tools to be more secure (which actually work) . . . and then you end up uninstalling them, simply because they're from Microsoft.

lol.

#3.1 denzilla on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:16
Yea they're offering the tools but their ethics are questionable at this point. With all the money and power MS weilds, they've caved to little ol claria...
#3.2 Jugalator on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:03
"It was a good move on MS' part, and it works nicely."

Assuming you always check so it doesn't decide to skip quarantining adware to be "fair" (Microsoft's word) with ad companies, of course... :p

"LOL. Microsoft is giving you tools to be more secure (which actually work) . . . and then you end up uninstalling them, simply because they're from Microsoft."

Which rock have you been living under? It's not about Microsoft, it's about Microsoft saying certain Claria adware shouldn't be removed by default to be fair with other adware companies (whose bundled junk I assume they also have set to "Ignore", otherwise they wouldn't be "fair" ). You have to be quite stupid to keep on using this tool IMHO. Willingly using a beta quality tool that use messed up ad classifications. Personally, I think you only use it *because* it's from Microsoft, along with many others here. It's messed up, yes, but people went crazy when MS announced this, many before even knowing how well it cleaned stuff. Strange, strange world.

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#3.3 yisman on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:21
WTF? It's the best free anti-spyware prog around. Just because they downgraded a product doesn't make the program useless....
#3.4 markjensen on 12 Jul 2005 - 10:46
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Just because they downgraded a product doesn't make the program useless...
As someone else pointed out above, this is no longer an "anti-spyware" tool. It is now a tool that differentiates between 'bad' spyware, and the 'good' kind (which, apparently means they are in a business relationship with Microsoft).
#3.5 Treefrog on 13 Jul 2005 - 01:36
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which, apparently means they are in a business relationship with Microsoft


Actually MS is trying to buy Claria, but then I'm sure you already knew that .

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(11 replies) #4 SunnyB on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:25
Best security advice:

"Stop surfing crack sites:
"Stop clicking on every link without thinking:

In otcher words, "Stop doing stupid <<removed>>."


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#4.1 PharosBR on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:00
I think it should be added:

Use a more secure browser like Firefox or Opera and/or ALWAYS use Windows Update to patch for vulnerabilities.

I myself never clicked on anything suspicious or went to crack sites, but I still got spyware because of vulnerabilties in Microsoft's IE. I didn't have to do a thing, the spyware downloaded itself because of those crazy holes in IE.
#4.2 slimy on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:54
nah, i'm using ie and don't get spyware. u just have to think before doing ****.
#4.3 PharosBR on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:02
oh yeah? try doing that with a clean, new installation of Windows XP without the service packs/updates
#4.4 Jugalator on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:19
lol, it'll be infected by Sasser within minutes without even opening IE to download Firefox
I heard there's still those horrible host-to-host worms on the net... :-p

But to be fair, that's not about spyware infections. (it's about something worse)
#4.5 Jeremy1 on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:40
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oh yeah? try doing that with a clean, new installation of Windows XP without the service packs/updates
Right, because Firefox has never had security updates...
#4.6 PharosBR on 12 Jul 2005 - 05:19
"Right, because Firefox has never had security updates... "


uh... I didn't say that Firefox never had security updates.. My answer that ur refering to does not even have anything to do with FF in the first place. My answer comes from this comment:
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nah, i'm using ie and don't get spyware. u just have to think before doing ****.


#4.7 SquareSoft0 on 12 Jul 2005 - 06:31
Yes, and his equivellant would be to use Firebird 0.1 or something, geez.
#4.8 mr_demilord on 12 Jul 2005 - 07:55
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nah, i'm using ie and don't get spyware. u just have to think before doing ****.



#4.9 kravex on 12 Jul 2005 - 12:35
Firefox just doesn't get attacked as much as IE because of its lower share of the market, it's nothing to do with it being more 'secure'

#4.10 markjensen on 12 Jul 2005 - 13:26
Firefox just doesn't get attacked as much as IE because of its lower share of the market
Agree. The client with 85-90% of the market will be the best target.

it's nothing to do with it being more 'secure'
Disagree. Being a less secure product certainly makes IE a much easier/nicer/fatter target to hit. The typical "security" level of a browser will not be the primary reason a browser is targetted, but it is just plain wrong to say it has nothing to do with it.
#4.11 AJCrowley Esq on 12 Jul 2005 - 14:33
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Firefox just doesn't get attacked as much as IE because of its lower share of the market


Absolutely, categorically, undeniably wrong wrong wrong.

Firefox doesn't get attacked as much as IE because there's no system in place in Firefox that would allow software to install itself on your computer without your knowledge or consent (or more accurately, without having to knowingly download, and then run manually).

I avoid IE like the plague these days, but a couple of weeks ago I opened it up to take a look at someone's site for them. The first site that I went to downloaded and installed a program, which due to the nature of the multiple executables supporting and replacing eachother as soon as one was removed, can only be described as viral. I entered a URL manually, didn't click any links, wasn't presented with any dialogs, and was infected. I don't normally need anti spyware software, but I tried out MS's anyway, since it was one of the best when it was Giant. It claimed to have removed the offending software, but upon reboot, had completely failed to do so.

Ultimately, the best defence against spyware if you must use Windows is good old fashioned Explorer, RegEdit, and a non-IE browser. If you insist on using IE (or ANY IE based browser), it's probably a good idea to go into RegEdit, and turn off write permissions to the registry keys (HKLM and HKCU)SoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionRun. That way, when you get infected, at least the programs won't be able to add themselves to your system's registry startup keys, and a reboot should fix many problems.
#5 LTD on 11 Jul 2005 - 23:36
Good advice!
#6 indian_boy on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:06
I don't see the big problem with spyware. I've installed spywareblaster, keeping it up to date, and have never had a single trace of spyware for years. And I use IE + FF (although FF more). No ****ty-ass, bloated program, just spywareblaster is all most people should need, and maybe a light scanner.
(5 replies) #7 Adequate on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:36
Nonsense, nonsense, NONSENSE! This is all nonsense!


If all of you would get informed properly, you'd know that spyware is made out from AMD CPUs! That's the hacker functionalities that Intel locked on their CPUs, but that AMD didn't so that hackers could have fun while dancing on rave music with their candy-like clothes and multi-colored spiky hair!

Next time you guys see a rave party, you now know what to do!
#7.1 LTD on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:57
ROFLMAO !!!!

Ah man, that's classic . . . .
#7.2 mzhao on 12 Jul 2005 - 00:59
No offense, but I don't know what the heck you're talking about...even if it was meant to be joke, which it might have been. If not, I don't get it. If so, oh well.

By the way, I label you unofficially as an INTEL SUPPORTER!! EVIL!! just kidding

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#7.3 Ficman on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:02
LOL....
#7.4 dhitb on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:12
Goddamn modern age hippies

/me hits the play button on a Ferry Corsten album
#7.5 TheSarge on 12 Jul 2005 - 19:00
Oh, here's the problem. Somebody switched this forum from "Serious" to "Ridiculous"
:flips a switch:
(1 reply) #8 Ravensworth on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:05
Is that supposed to be some variation of the wookie defense?
#8.1 ~Greeno~ on 12 Jul 2005 - 13:52
lmao
#9 dhitb on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:09
What about being "fair and consistent" with protecting the end user's computer? Hopefully enough attention is netted over this and most of the Joe sixpacks who use this program will be able to set it back to quarantine or deletion.

This will start a precedent where spyware companies know that it's possible to get MS to bend over. Whether it's by dressing up the company or litigation, they know it's possible now.
(2 replies) #10 xpablo on 12 Jul 2005 - 01:36
Microsoft should work on producing Operating Systems and Office software that's not full of holes,bugs, loops etc... before trying to come out with an Antivirus and Spyware product, besides Claria or Gator is the most evil of all spyware !

I'll stick with Adaware & Spybot.
#10.1 VikingStorm on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:14
Actually I'm begging to see much worse. Seems to be detected by not a single anti-spyware program.
#10.2 Treefrog on 13 Jul 2005 - 01:42
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Claria or Gator is the most evil of all spyware


Sooo, how does it make you feel that MS is trying to buy them (Claria/Gator)?
(1 reply) #11 Structured on 12 Jul 2005 - 02:03
Spybot ignores items by default as well. Seems like it's becoming a trend.
#11.1 lare2 on 12 Jul 2005 - 04:14
Maybe they are handing out money to spyware companies to ignore them.
#12 imtoomuch on 12 Jul 2005 - 06:20
Didn't Ad-Aware do the exact same with some other spyware product?
#13 Mystnight on 12 Jul 2005 - 10:44
ok MS Antispyware is and will be bull**** when it hits RTM, 90% of Claria apps slip under its radar as well as a few other, like 180 search, some gator and bonzai buddy files, Ill choose to stick with Adaware and Spybot: S&D
#14 NewXStar on 12 Jul 2005 - 12:37
Fine Work
(3 replies) #15 AethylFilth on 12 Jul 2005 - 12:56
Don't you people ever tire of having the SAME EXACT STUPID ARGUMENT EVERY SINGLE @#!$@% THREAD?!?!?!
#15.1 AJCrowley Esq on 12 Jul 2005 - 14:37
No, because then we get to see people drop in, just to let us know that they're so cool that they don't care what we're talking about. Damn you're cool. You had no interest in this discussion, but you decided to post in it anyway, just to let us know how disinterested and cool you are. You're my hero.
#15.2 ev0| on 12 Jul 2005 - 16:39
i'm disinterested man, uh..... old news or something...
#15.3 AethylFilth on 12 Jul 2005 - 18:38
No see now you're assuming things, cool guy. I WAS interested in the discussion, until it degrades like in every other thread into something like this:

Guy #1: "Omg windoz no secure, linux + ff, your'e all stupid"

Guy #2: "Windows amazing, you = open source fanboy, if you knew anything...blah blah blah.."

without ever offering any actual NEW input. Almost as ridiculous as the amount of "THIS WAS POSTED THREE MINUTES AGO ON SOME OTHER SITE" posts.
But, you're cooler than me obviously, because you posted a sarcastic response with short "to the point" sentences. "Damn you're cool. , all making the same sarcastic comments. Then you change it up at the end with "you're my hero", genius!
#16 doubledragonxz on 12 Jul 2005 - 13:28
Now this is frankly quite dissapointing, MS has always been up for fighting spam, adware and spyware but this move just destroys every effort they might have done.
#17 TheDeputy on 12 Jul 2005 - 14:17
I know this is utter horsecrap that Microsoft is doing this but look on the other side, they could have removed them all together from it detecting Claria software. At least they detect it and its up to you to remove it. So we could be worse off.
(1 reply) #18 Azmodan on 12 Jul 2005 - 15:37
Hows that Chinese spyware is passing thru Microsoft's Antispyware?
Its going Communist!
#18.1 toadeater on 12 Jul 2005 - 23:51
Maybe it has something to do with Microsoft's Beijing research lab?

http://research.microsoft.com/aboutmsr/labs/beijing/


Beijing, China
5/F, Beijing Sigma Center
No.49, Zhichun Road, Hai Dian District
Beijing China 10008
#19 mr_skrilla on 12 Jul 2005 - 18:28
I don't think that anythign has even been proved... yeah they set the level to be lower then most other spyware but now it is set back...... I am sure there are other spyware programs that have a lower threat level also... It is what you want.. Spyware needs to be measured in how much it takes you personal information and how much it f's up your computer.
#20 JK1150 on 13 Jul 2005 - 01:03
People are taking this so seriously, all the patch did was change the recommended action. MS AntiSpyware is still the best solution to spyware problems as far as I'm concerned. If you just click next all the time through everything, not looking at the options, and just assuming that the recommended setting is good for your computer, then no wonder you have spyware.
(1 reply) #21 Devon_Spencer on 13 Jul 2005 - 08:32
People who say Microsoft is now going to start using claria to infect their machines is bs. Microsoft would never do that, think!
#21.1 ichi on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:09
One word: Alexa.

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