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Microsoft Revs up Windows for Cars

malebolgia   on 13 July 2005 - 15:25 · 54 comments & 1993 views

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Microsoft today unveiled Windows Automotive 5.0, the latest version of its operating system designed for in-vehicle computers running navigation, entertainment and communication systems. Based on the real-time embedded Windows CE 5.0, Windows Automotive 5.0 has been designed to integrate with services offering real-time traffic updates, directions to the cheapest petrol in town, turn-by-turn navigation and more.

Windows Automotive 5.0 features enhancements including the Automotive User Interface Toolkit which enables the creation of 3D graphics and advanced navigation displays. The platform's multimedia functions have been boosted with the addition of DirectShow which supports a variety of digital media including Windows Media Audio, MP3 and DVD.

News source: vnunet.com


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#1 fro0ty on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:26
sweet.

go microsoft!
(6 replies) #2 Louis on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:27
Watch the car crashes go up
#2.1 Express on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:34
As if the software for the entertainment/GPS system controls your car.
#2.2 Hurmoth on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:38
But in the future software will control more of your vehicle and at that time running Windows isn't the safest thing in the world
#2.3 Ghostdraconi on 13 Jul 2005 - 16:01
I remember back in the olden days, when that joke was actually funny
#2.4 Sub on 13 Jul 2005 - 16:21
I agree Ghost. The only reason I clicked on the comments is to see how long it took a douch to say something about car crashes. Well, I got through the first post.....
#2.5 Dirtie on 13 Jul 2005 - 23:46
I don't think that he meant it'll make your car crash, but perhaps there will be more crashes as a result of people having this in their cars? It's just like mobile phones.
#2.6 EastExpert on 14 Jul 2005 - 01:54
I don't hear about increase of crashes of BMW 7 (iDrive ;-)), Hondas, Citroens etc...

The worst that can happen in theory (it's improper to extend the weaknesses of an open system like desktop Windows to a closed-code system like Windows Embedded which it is based on) -- is you'd have to stop engine and start it again.

Hell, with Windows Mobile 2003 SE I'm yet to see when my PDA-based Sat Nav will hang during the steady operation on the road...
(1 reply) #3 pseudoWin on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:39
...and even if it did crash, you'd just have to press the Accellerator+AC+LeftMirrorJoystick to reboot.
#3.1 MasterTae on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:54
LOL. Hopefully they will embed some software for a self propelled parachute seat.
(5 replies) #4 Christopher Jackson on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:39
Geez, my XP install isn't too bad. But MCE 2005 crashes alot I hear in reviews. So hopefully they don't use the MCE 2005 OS
#4.1 Razor_D on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:55
The article says it used Win CE 5, PLUS! I use MCE 2005 and havent had any problems at all.
#4.2 kl33per on 13 Jul 2005 - 16:00
Okay...

[rant]
Firstly, MCE2005 isn't really an OS. It's Windows XP SP2 Home Edition with an extra application called Media Center. It is no more/less stable then any other NT based operating system.

Secondly, suggesting that MCE2005 is being used in cars is absurd. Did you even read the article, or do you just post for the hell of it? A full-blown NT cored OS would be overkill for cars, just like it's overkill for portable devices like PDA's and phones. This is where Windows CE comes in, which is what Windows Automotive 5.0 is for. It is a Windows CE application designed for cars, to provide GPS navigation, Entertainment playback, and other features,
[/rant]

Whilst some of Microsoft's business practices may be disreputable (a discussion for another day), currently Microsoft's non-traditional departments (specfically those heading the Windows Automative project & the Xbox 360 project) are producing some really exciting and interesting software. Although it may seem some departments are behind the eight-ball (the Windows team and the Office team), there are many departments at Microsoft that seem to be thriving with creativity and productivity.
#4.3 Express on 13 Jul 2005 - 17:00
My MCE is very stable. May be these people with crashes have bad drivers.
I would really blame ATI for this. ATI has such lousy support for MCE that its not worth using ATI tuners. Several people end up using hacked drivers like Kram drivers.
#4.4 petroid on 14 Jul 2005 - 01:50
4.2: Media Center 2005 is built on Windows XP Professional with SP2 .
#4.5 EastExpert on 14 Jul 2005 - 02:00
The Windows Automotive is much closer to Windows CE and Windows Embedded technology.

If modern desktop XP "bluescreens", it's normally due to one of three things: 1) crappy hardware (or good hardware which developed a fault); 2) crappy device driver written by inept programmers and not tested for WHQL; 3) the programs that work on device driver level -- like good firewalls, good antiviruses.the possibilities of crash are remote.

Considering that you hardly can add lots of devices in your car setup, -- the possibilities of crash seem very remote.
(7 replies) #5 lbmouse on 13 Jul 2005 - 15:56
Obligatory joke:

If Microsoft Made Cars

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. Last but not least . . . you'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
#5.1 Louis on 13 Jul 2005 - 16:00
LMFAO
#5.2 rm20010 on 13 Jul 2005 - 17:37
I've heard of these jokes before. LOL
#5.3 sphbecker on 13 Jul 2005 - 18:00
Is there a company named Macintosh making operating systems now?
#5.4 Ateoto on 13 Jul 2005 - 19:27
Yeah, but they have this goofy thing called a Mouse, so no one will use it.
#5.5 jubber2002 on 14 Jul 2005 - 00:58
Lol! Number 7 is the best. LMFO.
#5.6 EastExpert on 14 Jul 2005 - 02:01
Used to be funny with 98SE... not funny anymore with XP.

In fact, some modern cars DO have a button named START. Has nothing to do with Windows

Guess how do you stop these cars?...
#5.7 Sage_Override on 14 Jul 2005 - 07:23
He forgot one:

When you press the brake or gas pedal, Windows will pop up a screen that says "Welcome to the install wizard!"
#6 LTD on 13 Jul 2005 - 16:58
ROFLMAO
(3 replies) #7 KCKitsune on 13 Jul 2005 - 17:18
You guys do know that Microsoft tried to run a US Navy Warship using Windows NT 4.0? Although it has been a number of years, we all know that while Microsoft has improved, they are not what I would consider good enough to run everything in the car.

oh, BTW here is the link about the US Navy ship that was dead in the water:

http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,13987,00.html
#7.1 [Fosters] on 13 Jul 2005 - 17:45
Thats an myth promalgated by several sites.
A year after the incident, in a letter to Scientific American, the designer of the ship software disclosed that the ship crew used the application software in a manner that they had been explicitly warned against.
Some writer caught hold of the fact that the software runs on NT and laid the blame on NT4.
#7.2 sphbecker on 13 Jul 2005 - 18:07
Something similar happened when an air-traffic control system (running on Windows 2000) crashed because it had gone 37 days without a reboot. The writers of the story failed to mention that it was a fault in the non-Microsoft software running (not in the OS) which would stop working after 37 days of constant use.

People love to blame Microsoft anytime any system running on Windows fails. It is so much fun they forget to check where the problem actually was.
#7.3 KCKitsune on 13 Jul 2005 - 18:39
[Fosters] I would like to have a link to that story. Also that is still pretty indicitive of the scope of the problem with Microsoft running very critical machines.

sphbecker, if that is the case then what will happen when you have millions of cars from a dozen different makers (using the cheapest components) with some of the dumbest people behind the wheel. Microsoft may not to be at fault with some of this, but if they want to get rid of their negative image, they have to be *BETTER* than everyone else. This is a case where Microsoft can't say: "We are as safe as everyone else". No, they have to *BE* safer than everyone else and it needs to be proven by a neutral party. Anything else and they will have problems
(3 replies) #8 Joshie on 13 Jul 2005 - 17:29
Ironically, Windows CE was also the base for Dreamcast, a console that had a helluva lotta fans stereotypically in favor of underdogs, and thus more likely to be anti-MS. Put the same technology in a car, though, and without the brand loyalty (it's hard to call any particular car company an underdog, anyway) nothing's left but the uncontrollable desire to tell a 10 year old analogical joke.
#8.1 SVT on 13 Jul 2005 - 22:14
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Ironically, Windows CE was also the base for Dreamcast


What a n00b, only like 5% of dreamcast games ran Windows CE. And they were only simple puzzle games.
#8.2 Colonel_Angus on 13 Jul 2005 - 22:21
For once, SVT is right. Comercial games for the Sega Dreamcast almost all ran Sega's Katana OS. There were only a couple of simple 2D games that ran Windows CE.
#8.3 R_a_V_e_N on 14 Jul 2005 - 05:00
wow, just wow, first time SVT made a decent comment but still used the word n00b
(1 reply) #9 TheSarge on 13 Jul 2005 - 18:27
Kinda gives new meaning to the old "Where do you want to go today" slogan, eh?


But seriously, don't you find it a klittle scary that Windows has got it's fingers in the transportation-sector pie now? What's next, Windows For Street Signs?
#9.1 jubber2002 on 14 Jul 2005 - 01:06
Too late
http://www.vanschip.com/album/thumbnails.php?album=17&page=2
Close enough
#10 madnuke on 13 Jul 2005 - 18:30
How many times has someone mentioned crash jokes now?

Better than Apple which would be in only Ferraris that you proberly couldnt drive on certain roads hah ha.
(2 replies) #11 Gergith on 13 Jul 2005 - 19:07
haha, these comments are great. i for one think this is awesome! microsoft can do some cool stuff! i hope this really works out, i believe that platform is fairly stable, and it would be cool to be running windows in my car (Y)
#11.1 lbmouse on 13 Jul 2005 - 19:22
I don't want my car to be fairly safe.
#11.2 EastExpert on 14 Jul 2005 - 02:03
Failure to control details of your ventilation,
Failure to control your mobile phone and voice dialling
Failure to control your radio or kids' DVD player,

hardly has anything to do with car safety.
(3 replies) #12 bilemke on 13 Jul 2005 - 20:17
I was drving along, I thought I seen a pedestrian running out in front of me.. Then..

My entire windshield changes to a dark royal blue and tells me I have encountered a crash.


#12.1 lbmouse on 13 Jul 2005 - 20:22
Gives new meaning to BSoD.
#12.2 Dirtie on 13 Jul 2005 - 23:52
How about blood-spattered screen of death?
#12.3 jubber2002 on 14 Jul 2005 - 01:00
@1.2 LOL
#13 JoDaddy on 13 Jul 2005 - 21:48
I read an article a while back about MS reconstructing themselves to be a solutions company - not unlike IBM. This is part of that, I assume, and I think it's a smart move for them.
(2 replies) #14 Colonel_Angus on 13 Jul 2005 - 22:25
MS has no chance, Vector has a Monopoly on the automotive ECU OSs, and QNX has a majority in automotive entertainment/navigations systems OSs.

Microsoft may have a chance of beating the QNX, but MS has a 0% chance of beating the Vector OS monopoly.



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#14.1 EastExpert on 14 Jul 2005 - 02:14
Once somebody said, MS Internet Explorer has no chance, Netscape is a Monopoly on the Internet browser market... ;-)

From an in-vehicle technology perspective, Microsoft's Automotive Business Unit works collaboratively with the auto industry to deliver technology designed for advanced in-car information, navigation and entertainment systems. Microsoft technology is on the road today in 25 preinstalled and aftermarket devices from 13 world-class automakers and suppliers, including Acura, BMW, Citroën, Clarion, Fiat, Subaru, Honda, Hyundai, DaimlerChrysler, Mitsubishi, NexTech, Toyota and Volvo.

Monopoly! Huh?...

I know the new Mercedes S-series has Active Cruise Control -- if you approach the car in front of you too close, it slows down temporarily, then when the obstacle is out of the way, accelerates to the preset level.

I have "sorta Automotive" on my PDA which can do Sat Nav, MS Voice Command, place & receive 'phone calls; can play music as well but I never really tried the idea because 6-CD changer does that pretty well. The PDA is put into cradle on centre mount.

So when my next car buying time comes... I am very likely to get myself one with Automotive. The idea of HUD also appeals to me very much - the directions and vital info is projected on your windscreen...

Even two events: 1) switching to a powerful car with automatic gearbox from manual and 2) starting to drive round with a Sat Nav (I am a topographic idiot -- always getting astray on my own! ) -- made my driving from a stressful hated experience to a pleasant experience you wish to last forever... No matter if it's London or Scotland.

So... never say never.
#14.2 Colonel_Angus on 14 Jul 2005 - 03:05
Say what you will, but right now MS still has 0% market share of the OS market for automotive ECUs, because Vector has an OS monopoly there.
#15 xGo on 13 Jul 2005 - 23:40
so for some reason, 12inch notebooks car-mounters looks more appealing to me than having some Windows CE 5.0 on my dashboard...
(2 replies) #16 eilegz on 13 Jul 2005 - 23:45
omg if the car got a virus for some reason or another or someone hack the car pc then we will be doomed
#16.1 EastExpert on 14 Jul 2005 - 02:16
There would be McAfee Car Antivirus

Seriously, in all honesty, how often have you seen a hacked (by malicious people) fridge, freezer, electric hob, CD player (without intent of the owner), television?
#16.2 ShadowPHP on 14 Jul 2005 - 04:40
No-one said you would have to connect to the internet.

Also; When was the last time you read about Windows Automotive getting a virus?
(2 replies) #17 jubber2002 on 14 Jul 2005 - 01:02
Hmmm..... How many versions of Linux would run on your car. You have to compile the engine before you can load the attenna module. Then after that you would have to turn-key update your tire software.
EDIT: Before I get flamed I use both Windows and Linux

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#17.1 Colonel_Angus on 14 Jul 2005 - 03:08
North American auto makers have already been putting Linux in cars.
#17.2 R_a_V_e_N on 14 Jul 2005 - 05:04
@jubber2002: haha good analogy.

@Colonel_Angus: What are the results like?

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