Earlier this week, Neowin reported (article) the first wave of malicious viruses may surface sooner than expected for Microsoft's latest version of Windows Vista - specifically targeting their new command shell, codenamed "Monad". Now, Microsoft is reporting the targeted command shell will not be included in Windows Vista when the OS finally ships late 2006.
"Monad will not be included in the final version of Windows Vista and there is no relation between Monad and Windows Vista Beta 1," stated Stephen Toulouse, a representative for Microsoft's Security Response Center. "Monad is being considered for the Windows Operating System platform for the next three to five years. So these potential viruses do not affect Windows Vista or any other version of Windows if 'Monad' has not been installed on the system."
While it is now clear that the new command line shell won't ship as part of Vista, it is still unclear how the technology will be delivered. Microsoft representatives have said Monad would first ship as a feature of Exchange 12, the next release of Microsoft's e-mail server, due in the second half of 2006.
News source: ZDNet
"Monad will not be included in the final version of Windows Vista and there is no relation between Monad and Windows Vista Beta 1," stated Stephen Toulouse, a representative for Microsoft's Security Response Center. "Monad is being considered for the Windows Operating System platform for the next three to five years. So these potential viruses do not affect Windows Vista or any other version of Windows if 'Monad' has not been installed on the system."
While it is now clear that the new command line shell won't ship as part of Vista, it is still unclear how the technology will be delivered. Microsoft representatives have said Monad would first ship as a feature of Exchange 12, the next release of Microsoft's e-mail server, due in the second half of 2006.
News source: ZDNet
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Look at how many people bought the pointless Windows Me!!
Why quote ZDnet?, you should quote the proper source which is
http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/default.aspx
It depends on if you're talking about being dropped from the release or not.. :-p
Usually people are talking about the Windows Vista release (for example the guy you replied to), not Windows Vista in 4 years or so.
Then we could just as well be talking about what's ready in time for Windows Blackcomb instead.
I think you can safely assume that if people are talking about dropped features from Vista, they're talking about the OS release, not what's going to happen at some future a few years later. :-p
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Do you work at MSFT? If not, why should we believe you?
There was the assumption that Monad would be included with Longhorn. Now apparently it is not being included so I don't see how you are proving anyone wrong. I suppose you were one of the enthusiastic "fans" who flamed Paul Thurrott eh? Well this is Neowin after all and the moto is "where unprofessional journalism looks better".
Seriously. Put yourself in Microsoft's position. By releasing Monad with Vista, they are jeapordizing millions of computers on its release. It should be made an optional feature or even installed on demand rather than on first boot.
I, however, do not have a problem with them pulling it until it is not a security issue. Through the number of articles that I have read it appears that Microsoft never had any intentions of putting MSH into a consumer version of Windows and instead were more interested in the server market for remote administration.
stupid fags
First, WinFS was dropped. Then, it came out that Longhorn wasn't going to be based on .Net Framework after all.
And now, Microsoft tells us that Monad, Microsoft's super-duper combination shell and script language, isn't going to make it into Longhorn either.
But Monad, I thought, had promise.
Monad was going to be far more than just, as some have called it, the next generation CLI (command line interface) for Windows.
It was going to be a scripting language that tried to one-up Python, Ruby, PHP, Perl and all the other advanced script languages that make quick and dirty programming so darn useful for system administrators and power-users.
It was going to put the long-in-the-tooth VBS (Visual Basic Scripting) in the trashcan where it belonged.
It was, for as far as I'm concerned, the most potentially useful part of Longhorn.
Its a shame indeed.
Oh lord, if the OS was going to be based on the .NET framework, imagine the slowness... C/C++/ASM forever MS! (VB6 for me lol)
imagine the bandwidth used to serve the runtime at WU
if all 600 million people that ms says comes to wu,
installs the .net framework. i know i must have re downloaded around 1/200 times.
oh and save the comments for the genuises over ati & nvidia
who both have announced they are discontinuing their driver installs
for .net based garbage
the cp will be gone by the end of the year ! brilliant
Now THAT is news !
Either nobody knows or cares ?
But the polls are in for example 60% people use ati cp
and 12% use that "Will & Grace" .net CCC
What ya gonna do when they take away your "normal" proggies
and shove this .net bs down you throat ?
seriously, it's crap like this that ruins computing for people and it's just out right wrong.
It's a bit sad though; I was looking at Monad as one of the major improvements in Windows Vista.
And one more thing, it doesn't even spread itself.
Take vbs files for example. Those things are *still* a plague on Windows boxes, ever servers and that was supposed to be 'manually executed' scripting.
There you go, amusing fact of the day. The AV world is full of animals, octopuses, rabbits, goats.. they are all there
if they bundle it people will squak about it being unsecure bloat
if they pull it people will squak about them dropping "yet another feature"
the average user won't be using monad; no need to include it. free download later? sure.
but no need for a home user to have it.
WinFS (incidentally also dropped from Windows NT 4.x in the past.
Features scaled severely:
-Indigo
-Avalon
-various interface features
It look like it will be a nice paid upgrade for XP but the requirements are really high.
My prediction, expect resistance from deploying in the enterprise.
As for the others, its in alpha, you havent seen it so its pure speculation. Anyway as above, its not a one feature OS.
As for your prediction, well enterprises are always reluctant to upgrade due to cost, so I can agree with that but that wont be based on features but budgeting.
Most OS and systems developers understand and use this methodology for versioning of their products.
This is off topic but there was an 18 month gap between Tiger and Panther which IIIRC, was longer than the time between Windows 2000 Pro and XP Pro and I could not get Panther in Canada locally until two months after that.
Don't get all hissy with me because MSFT cannot ship Vista/Longhorn on time.
I bought Panther and Tiger which works out to about the same as one copy of Windows XP Pro. I got Tiger cheaper than regular price in a bundle with iLife and iWorks which I bought online from apple.com.
How did you enjoy paying for Windows 98, 98SE, Millennium Edition, Windows 2000 Pro and/or XP?
Never bought any 9x versions other than 95 but that was dumped quick when NT4 came out.
I think a 5 year gap from XP to Vista is acceptable, XP is a good OS and 5 years is good value for money.
I think a 5 year gap from XP to Vista is acceptable, XP is a good OS and 5 years is good value for money.
I beg to differ. 5 years between major OS releases is unacceptable if you want to keep up with modern technology. Service packs don't count, since they're just a few updates and only add minor features if any at all. XP was a good OS when it was first released, but compare it to what's on the market today and XP becomes the grandmother of the OS market.
Personally I'm looking forward to Vista; if it's any good, it will be Jaugar + Panther + Tiger + Leopard + more – if not, it's not worth purchasing IMO.
.NET is also going to be included in the OS - No more framework downloads for Vista users.
We "trolls" can't understand while you all are so excited over something that's starting to equal Jaguar (maybe Panther).
They are like the geek version of jehovahs witnesses.
It doesn't. Now go fondle your eMac. Caress your powerbook. Whatever. Hell, go get started in culinary arts school. Who cares...just shut up, before you are proven wrong and made a fool of yet again. Your "IT professional" job hasn't helped keep you from being blatantly and undisputedly WRONG about 90% of everything you've trolled about.
And I don't have any computer games installed, thanks. Waddle off, eat a twinkie, and fire up Warcraft 3, you slug.
So now, ZDNet publishes an article where Microsoft denies the rumor that ZDNet itselg mistakely published. All the while, ZDNet gets traffic and hits, which was of course their cynical intention all along.
This is how the TABLOIDS work people. It is pathetic to see online tech sites turning into RAGS in pursuit of the almighty advertising dollar...sigh.
GJ
You: "Okay, now grandma...drop down to a shell and execute that script."
Grandma: "You want me to murder WHAT??!?! *click*"
But you are technically right, it should be removable (although if you take out the rendering engine technology then huge amounts of applications that use it will no longer work, but hey, as long as it's modular it must be good, as deleting the icon from your desktop and simply not using it is quite a hassle).
taylored with features for the different types of users.
Windows Vista "Apple Troll Edition"
MS steals everything they can from apple for this one..
Oh damn they are all ready doing that arn't they ?
Windows Vista "Microsoft Fanboy Edition"
See above "Apple Troll Edition"
Windows Vista "Linux Troll Edition"
In order to do anything you you will have
to open a console and log in as "SU"
and spend 8 hrs a day hunting down fixes
to make common hardware work.*that runs fine on windows !
Windows Vista "7331 OMG 1!! Edition"
Only comes with Counter-Strike Source / Steam.
Windows Vista "Basement Dwellers Deluxe Edition"
Theme will look like neowin's site and have Firefox pre-installed (IE removed)
Custom Edtion made just for the infamous PCyr's & SVT's in the world
Windows Vista "Instant Messenger Edition"
It will have nothing more than the core os components and messenger,
this will be for the kids that like chatting about useless garbage all day/night.
BRB Im going AFK to use the bathroom... Like OMG 1!! that would so cool
Windows Vista "Grandma Edition"
Comes with Internet Explorer and NORTON antivirus.
And the only sites you can go to would be like POGO / Cashbreak.
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Theme will look like neowin's site and have Firefox pre-installed (IE removed)
Custom Edtion made just for the infamous PCyr's & SVT's in the world
FYI: I was out partying last night, and am going away for a few days. Grow up, and try forming an argument instead of insults.
I suspect you're Colonal_Angus with your typical trolling while making a self-righteous attempt at making yourself look like an anti-troll.
you would see i wasn't beeing serious, err well maybe not ?
Anyway Relax man.. i think these guys 'round here been
giving ya a hard time too much and its makin ya wound up.
Oh and i wasnt trying to form insults and i have no intention
on forming arguments either, what i did say is what i meant.
I'll say it again cause i think ya missed the point,
I wanna see diff versions of vista come out..
Oh and where can i buy that book "pwning windows noobs for dummies" ?
And can i get it autographed ?
you would see i wasn't beeing serious, err well maybe not ?
Anyway Relax man.. i think these guys 'round here been
giving ya a hard time too much and its makin ya wound up.
Oh and i wasnt trying to form insults and i have no intention
on forming arguments either, what i did say is what i meant.
I'll say it again cause i think ya missed the point,
I wanna see diff versions of vista come out..
Well it did come of like an insult. If that's not what you meant then OK.
And can i get it autographed ?
Your right my comment was prob a bit personal when
i was using your name(and SVT) Sorry about that.
I don't have anything against anyone here or anywhere
..was just tryin to be funny, i guess i won't quit my day job. LOL
I like the spirited discussions around here, it makes for an interesting read
high end pc normal "Vista"?
well, if there's the possibility to put vista on a mac machine next year when vista comes out... I'm seriously thinking about buying a Mac and get vista as 2nd OS on it... that would be incredible fun
-fm
#dusn't want to switch -> wants to have both
wish more games would come out for osx or linux so i could escape this hell
anyways too bad that linux and osx dont have games otherwise i ditched m$ windows long time ago
There are plenty of games available on the Mac:
http://www.macgamefiles.com/
http://www.macsoftgames.com/
http://www.apple.com/games/
http://icculus.org/
http://www.tuxgames.com/
http://www.linux-gamers.net
http://liflg.org/?catid=1