The Hotfix.net website has posted a feature list that is expected to debut with version 8.0 of MSN Messenger sometime next year. While he hints that this is speculation and rumour, we are confident that this information is accurate.

While MSN Messenger 7.5 just came out, 8.0 is already being worked on and heading towards beta by the end of the year. A third party source whom is said to be from Microsoft has provided us with this information. Here's a list of possible and rumored features Microsoft is contemplating on going into the IM client:
  • Change of Messenger Skins
  • Real-time Emotions
  • Messenger Built Internal Windows Media Player 10
  • Pause/Resumed File Transfers (File Blocked Extension Applied)
  • Detailed File Transfer (Download/Upload Speed)
  • Animated Display Pictures (.gif .jpg .png (File Support under Consideration))
  • Mood Status
  • Faster Contact List Loading and scrolling
  • Public Profile and MSN Spaces Combined
  • More MSN Space features
  • New Hotmail and MSN Messenger Integration
  • Downloadable MSN Messenger on Mobile
  • News Updates according to Location
  • Top 10 MSN Music Radio
  • New Stylish Notifier Pop-up
  • Downloadable Skins for MSN (Contact Window & Conversation Window)
  • Complete Integration with Windows XP® & Windows Vista® Codename: Longhorn®
  • Offline Voice/Message Machine
  • Animated Buddy Icon Helper
  • Display Picture Ratings
News source: The Hotfix.net

What's new?
    General
  • new: IE7 Beta 1 direct integration support (xp sp2)
  • new: DEP Unattended option
  • new: Sereby's German Hotfix Pack v1.3+ support
  • new: Greek and Russian (non-Cyrillic) language translation
  • fix: Textmode Driver (nvraid post install reboots)
  • fix: Direct integration for KB896344,KB890046,KB898461,KB893357
  • fix: German pack integration (SetupHotfixesToRun included)
  • fix: Compress error popup with small files
  • fix: SFC Enabled full support
  • fix: Main files uppercased
    Components
  • new: ActiveX for streaming video
  • new: Intel Indeo codecs
  • new: Teletext codec
  • new: IP Conferencing
  • upd: TAPI App Support (removes more)
  • upd: CTF Loader -> Text Services Framework (removes more)
  • upd: WMP (now keeps MP3 codec)
  • fix: DRWatson (back and fixed)
  • fix: Printer drivers in Win2k (seemed like not removed)


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(5 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #1 Posted by Dane on 27 Aug 2005 - 12:50
And everyone thought that kid was messed up and even flamed him when he asked about this version.
Quote this comment #1.1 Posted by FunkyMike on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:02
Yeah this community has become really hostile and full of n00bs. God I wish Neowin would be like it was during the Whistler days.. .. Helpfull.
Quote this comment #1.2 Posted by duphus on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:06
You mean the topic in BPN? (which is now removed). I think that was more against the author, not the post. It was like, "I gots list of new msn 8 features. my 'inside sources' prove it, come to my site", a bit ego centered.
Quote this comment #1.3 Posted by duphus on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:11
Yeah, people get too angry
Quote this comment #1.4 Posted by FunkyMike on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:11
Still thats excatly what I m talking about .. it shouldnt have escalated along that way. Only the facts should have been analysed and the guy should have only been criticised for being 12 and then left alone ... why make a whole flame topic out of nothin for nothing.
Quote this comment #1.5 Posted by duphus on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:12
What the hell, those last two replies are around the wrong way.
(13 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #2 Posted by Davebo on 27 Aug 2005 - 12:54
Damn - more and more bloat...

I may have to try that GoogleTalk after all...
Quote this comment #2.1 Posted by TheLittleKid on 27 Aug 2005 - 17:17
I AGREE I'M STICKING WITH GOOGLE TALK, BEATS THE PANTS OFF MICROSOFT.
Quote this comment #2.2 Posted by excalpius on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:25
Not yet it doesn't. But let's hope that one day it does. Right now, Google Talk is one small step above "my home vbasic chat program".
Quote this comment #2.3 Posted by nacs on 27 Aug 2005 - 21:48
I agree. All I want is a clean, simple IM client.

Not 'More MSN Space features', or 'Top 10 MSN Music Radio', 'Messenger Built Internal Windows Media Player 10'.
Quote this comment #2.4 Posted by Vannos on 27 Aug 2005 - 23:14
People who complain about bloat are not the norm, most people want features. That and maybe theese complainers are running a 386, because any PC built in the last 4 years will be very capable of handling any version of Messenger. Just because a product contains many features does not mean that it is a slow performer or requires some $1500 hardware to run.

Making critisim about bloat does not make you elite, unique or a power user, it simply shows you do not have an open mind and are not open to change or evolution, you like what you know and are afraid of new things. These are the marks of someone who thinks they know better than everyone else, especially the average consumer.
Quote this comment #2.5 Posted by Ambience on 27 Aug 2005 - 23:40
Lol, most of us who complain about bloat do know more than the average consumer. If I still used MSN Messenger, I'd rather have it improve its protocol before adding new 'features' which really, don't seem that useful at all. I don't even know what 'real-time' emoticons are.
Quote this comment #2.6 Posted by GamerXtreme on 28 Aug 2005 - 05:20
Bloat is good, didnt you know?
Quote this comment #2.7 Posted by Goalie_CA on 28 Aug 2005 - 06:15
Vannos, i don't think any one is caring about msn messenger using up more system resources. Bloat is extra tacky crap that's best done elsewhere. Is "Top 10 MSN Music Radio" or "Messenger Built Internal Windows Media Player 10" really a necessary or useful part of an IM program? All this while it lacks the basic features and functionality ICQ has had since before anything else really existed.

I don't know about you but i'm a fan of having a program do 1 think and that 1 thing very well. This is why i use gaim. It manages all of my accounts quite well and it works on linux, mac (adiumX), and windows. It even does IRC through a plug-in. If i want an RSS reader or a web browser or a XYZ then i will use that program.
Quote this comment #2.8 Posted by TheLittleKid on 28 Aug 2005 - 06:16
Vannos, the point is, since you obviously missed it, is that ms should get its act together and realease a simple messaging client with all their usual junk removed. All they have todo is REMOVE code to compete at this level of functionality...period, but I guess we will see who knows what they are doing. Wait a second we already know who is going to win...here is a hint "google".
Quote this comment #2.9 Posted by BobMarley on 28 Aug 2005 - 06:54
Well i'm used to Miranda with two about two plugins so I definately won't be going to this bloatware. I wonder what other features they'll include in the end, Hmmm... I can think of a few: Microsoft Office controller, lets you type into word using messenger, Windows explorer controller, you can browse you disk using messenger now. They could put loads of stupid, pointless features in it that really don't belong in a chat client. I mean, how hard is it to simply switch to media player to change track (which you probably won't be able to do from messenger anyway).
Quote this comment #2.10 Posted by threedaysdwn on 28 Aug 2005 - 07:25
It's not bloat if it's useful. Bloat is when it's there to make the product look more substantial than it actually is. It's extra "fluff." Or it could be an unwieldy interface that makes it "bloated."

But regardless... My main hope for Messenger 8 is an improved contact list. I like Messenger, but the UI is a bit cumbersome. Too many PMs trying to make too many features "discoverable." You can make something discoverable without hitting me over the head with it everytime I just want to look and see who's online.

That said, I use Trillian Pro 3.1 and love it. It is incredibly feature-packed, customizeable, and yet it still feels "lightweight."
Quote this comment #2.11 Posted by BobMarley on 28 Aug 2005 - 07:47
A windows media player controller is bloat by all definitions. I also use Trillian and put it in its lite skin. I use hardly any of the features but I couldn't find a conversation plugin for miranda that I liked and Trillian's conversation windows are good in lite mode. In non lite mode they're like messenger's with massive buttons convering about half the screen for each conversation window. do microsoft think we can't aim our mice?
Quote this comment #2.12 Posted by Adequate on 28 Aug 2005 - 15:03
Well, I'm not worried... mess.be will make patches to remove the unwanted stuff anyhow.
Quote this comment #2.13 Posted by jp10558 on 28 Aug 2005 - 15:32
I just hope Trillian keeps up with any protocol changes.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #3 Posted by castor_troyuk on 27 Aug 2005 - 12:56
a few of these features actually sound cool, if we can switch off the ones we dont want, this could be a winner
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #4 Posted by alexp2_ad on 27 Aug 2005 - 12:57
I'm not saying this isn't true, but it was posted on the mess.be forum by someone who got it from their friend's uncle...

http://forum.mess.be/index.php?showtopic=11143
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #5 Posted by hotdog963al on 27 Aug 2005 - 12:59
Cool stuff.
Animated DPs = Cool
Quote this comment #5.1 Posted by krono6 on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:59
There are already animated DPs..... They're called Dynamic DP's and they've been there since the final 7.0 I think....
Quote this comment #5.2 Posted by rm20010 on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:28
The differences between animated display pictures using GIFs (and hopefully MNGs) and these so called Animated DPs in Messenger 7.x are:

1) Animated DPs are currently COMMERCIAL ($1 per piece)
2) They are s*** (IMO) and look like eye candy for kids
3) They are Flash powered
4) Unless you use a 3rd party tool to back up those Animated DPs, you lose them for good if you reinstall your system
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #6 Posted by duphus on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:00
I think this originates from here.

Note the line "*The list above is ideas from past beta users and ideas are not finalized".

And "I told my friends uncle" ?? I have serious doubts about this.
(4 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #7 Posted by Sane404 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:01
"Real-time Emotions"

Quote this comment #7.1 Posted by m0rph on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:04
maybe it's like.. it takes a quick snapshot from your webcam and sends it as a large emoticon.
Quote this comment #7.2 Posted by rm20010 on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:30
Or maybe MS will give away free devices that detect your mood and change an oversized emoticon to match it. Ahh.
Quote this comment #7.3 Posted by xpgeek on 27 Aug 2005 - 19:51
Maybe its an emoticon that automatically pops up and laughs at you while messenger uses 300 megs of memory with all those new features running.
Quote this comment #7.4 Posted by rm20010 on 27 Aug 2005 - 21:33
^ Oh come on.
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #8 Posted by _tux_ on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:05
QUOTE
complete Integration with Windows XP® & Windows Vista® Codename: Longhorn®


why why just WHY???
Quote this comment #8.1 Posted by Davebo on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:21
Why? Because they saw how great integration between IE and Windows was, so just had to copy it...

/sarcasm off
Quote this comment #8.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:52
In order to have integration with XP, a high type upgrade is required (I would call it SP3 like but Im not sure) because menus would have to change, icons added ect. You can rest assure that Vista and MSN Messenger x will be like siamese twins but for XP I dont see it happening in the short term time.
Quote this comment #8.3 Posted by excalpius on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:27
Why? Because 95% of the world uses Windows.
Quote this comment #8.4 Posted by _tux_ on 27 Aug 2005 - 19:42
but not everyone uses msn. there *are* other clients
Quote this comment #8.5 Posted by threedaysdwn on 28 Aug 2005 - 07:29
That part makes me question this feature list more than anything else. Someone probably just made it up.

What the heck does "Complete integration" mean anyway?
Quote this comment #8.6 Posted by CaKeY on 30 Aug 2005 - 14:21
It means that if unless you hack it out of your system you're stuck with it. It also means any security issues will also affect windows whether you use it or not.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #9 Posted by Jase on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:06
sounds good
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #10 Posted by Julius Caro on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:17
Not really impressed
Most of the features are client-sided and not real new features for the protocol itself.
(3 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #11 Posted by Jugalator on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:18
MSN Messenger 8.0 feature list leaks to web

Here's a list of possible and rumored features

rofl!

So, is this an official list leaked or not?
Quote this comment #11.1 Posted by duphus on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:19
Titles are often misleading. I would think the features listed are "todos", but not necessarily official for MSN Messenger 8. Same kind of thing happened with MSN Messenger 7, a lot of stretched truths, I hope people have learnt not to expect things by now.
Quote this comment #11.2 Posted by Jugalator on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:12
They could just as well have a title "Messenger 8 rumors surface", but no...

I mean, people would still read such a topic. I dislike when a news site needs to sell themselves like this, even when free.
Quote this comment #11.3 Posted by Marduk on 27 Aug 2005 - 23:27
Agreed! Sensationalism= TEH LOSE! Seriously though this place has issues with journalistic integrity, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one around here noticing it lately.
(12 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #12 Posted by HoochieMamma on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:18
WHY NO 3-WAY WEBCAM SUPPORT?!?!?!?!?!??!
Quote this comment #12.1 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:36
Thats a Windows/driver/camera limitation. More than one application (or window for this case) CANNOT access the camera's image at a time. In order to implant 3-way camera support, they would have to implant something like what Yahoo! uses.
Quote this comment #12.2 Posted by HoochieMamma on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:19
Why would it be a limitation of windows? All messenger has to do is sennd the exact same webcam to 2 people at once and that goes for the other 2 people. Why is that so hard to implement?
Quote this comment #12.3 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:43
Like I said, no two windows can access a same webcam's same image at a time. Try it out:

Invite someone to view your webcam on MSN. Make sure they can see your cam.
Try thru My Computer viewing your webcam. You will see that it will give a error.

Yahoo! (I think this is the way they work) place the images on a server so anyone can access them.
Quote this comment #12.4 Posted by HoochieMamma on 27 Aug 2005 - 16:01
But you wouldn't have to see your webcam twice :/ It will only have to show you your webcam and then transmit the data to your 2 friends and have the same thing happen with the 2 frineds. I don't see the problem with doing this. It doesn't have to have 2 instances of the webcam open at once.
Quote this comment #12.5 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 17:53
Maybe I misinturpreted your request; I think you ment that you want webcam support for 3 people that are in a one window conversation (you and 2 other contacts). In that case, Im suprised you cant do it either. I think you cant do audio either. That would be possible (Windows-wise) but it wouldnt be possible Messenger wise because it conects directly to your contact. Like I said if MSN goes the Yahoo! way (server side) it would work but it would require a pretty big overhual.
Quote this comment #12.6 Posted by rm20010 on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:33
I think he meant something along the line of what iChat AV can do. You can hold a video conversation with two other people - and the video windows are arranged in the way that it appears you're talking with them over a glass table.

Hopefully this can be implemented in Messenger 8.
Quote this comment #12.7 Posted by zerone on 27 Aug 2005 - 22:03

Right now, I can make a 3-person video-conference. Altough its a bit boring to make it is possible.

Open 2 chat windows with 2 different person. Send you cam to #1 and then to #2. The other 2 people do the same. Arrange the windows vertically, and move them, side by side.

Then, 1) use another conversation window or 2) use another program to talk the 3 of you (skype, irc)..

But its possible to send to (un)limited persons. Its receives from webcam, and then it copy-send to X persons.
Quote this comment #12.8 Posted by HoochieMamma on 28 Aug 2005 - 06:43
Thanks zerone, but it's kind of tetious to do it that way.

@rIaHc3. Yeah Now you understood. I would REALLY want something like 3-way webcam support and not useless features like so:

Animated Buddy Icon Helper
Real-time Emotions
Messenger Built Internal Windows Media Player 10
Complete Integration with Windows XP® & Windows Vista® Codename: Longhorn®
Quote this comment #12.9 Posted by FuhrerDarqueSyde on 28 Aug 2005 - 09:30
i just dont see why they cant develop a driver with a read only layer to the webcam image so multiple apps can view the imagery... it could be done im sure but somewhere along the line someone is being lazy
Quote this comment #12.10 Posted by Julius Caro on 28 Aug 2005 - 13:05
This has nothing to do with the 3-way webcam chat, but a webcam can be seen in different windows (under windows).
For example, if I'm sending webcam images to a contact and I open my webcam's settings, I can see it in both windows.

Quote this comment #12.11 Posted by rIaHc3 on 28 Aug 2005 - 19:31
Julius - No he wanted 3-way. I misunderstood him and took it as he ment a webcam in different windows.
Quote this comment #12.12 Posted by FuhrerDarqueSyde on 29 Aug 2005 - 01:24
and i was responding to the posts about how the cam cant be accessed by multiple programs because of the current implementation
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #13 Posted by Liaqat_ali on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:19
boy they're really working on it:p
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #14 Posted by phiberoptik on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:30
Real-time Emotions

As opposed to? Non-real time emotions? Like... 2 hours later a happy face pops up on your system.. or maybe your TV or cell phone? after you have shut your system off and disconnected from the internet?

Quote this comment Reply to this comment #15 Posted by Timan on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:34
You gotta admit, even though its getting to the point of bloat bloat bloat (personal pref). That MSN Messenger team, just does not stop adding new features to its client. I will give them credit for that (Y)
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #16 Posted by tom5 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:36
"Messenger Built Internal Windows Media Player 10" - what is it to be? A messenger or what - media center?
Quote this comment #16.1 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:41
This problably just means that you can view videos/music/pictures inside MSN Messenger's convo windows with a intregated media player. Kind of useless so it'll be removed with Mess.be patch as soon as I see it
Quote this comment #16.2 Posted by excalpius on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:29
you mean "useless to YOU"...not perhaps the rest of the world
Quote this comment #16.3 Posted by rm20010 on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:35
^ Right. Some people like listening to their downloaded music and videos using integrated players in P2P programs. Why not?
Quote this comment #16.4 Posted by nacs on 27 Aug 2005 - 21:50
I think they want to bring the great speed and compact size of Windows media player 10 to an IM client. I personally can't wait for MSN messenger to take a day and half to finish loading like WMP.

Way to go MS.
Quote this comment #16.5 Posted by Stef Nighthawk on 28 Aug 2005 - 19:17
Instead of integrating, why not make applications dockable into each other?

Why can't they create a sort of API which lets any software developer to make an MSN dockable version of their software.
ie. Let winamp dock into MSN instead of Media Player (so it *looks* like Winamp is integrated into MSN).

Or the other way around, let MSN dock into Media Player, etc...
Quote this comment #16.6 Posted by rIaHc3 on 28 Aug 2005 - 19:55
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Instead of integrating, why not make applications dockable into each other?

Why can't they create a sort of API which lets any software developer to make an MSN dockable version of their software.
ie. Let winamp dock into MSN instead of Media Player (so it *looks* like Winamp is integrated into MSN).

Or the other way around, let MSN dock into Media Player, etc...

I like the idea
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #17 Posted by hypatech on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:37
Everyone whoever leaked this information is just repeating what all the microsoft beta testers already know!

All those features are features that the beta testers suggested.

THAT DOESNT MEAN ALL OF THEM WILL BE IMPLEMENTED

Or unless this hotfix website actually talked to Mike Mccoy oops I wasn't supposed to say that well anyways I likely doubt this is all true.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #18 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:39
Alright this is just a rumor that started on the Mess.be forums AFAIK. I dont believe much of it until a more offical source comes up.
The original thread on the Mess.be forums also states that these are ideas that are bouncing around the dev team. That does NOT mean they will be implanted. Some of these ideas may have already been bouncing around since version 5 so.....Its nothing new.
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #19 Posted by examinus on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:39
I would like a mute button. I often don't want MSN to make any sound but don't want to appear busy.
Quote this comment #19.1 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:40
Messenger Plus! can do that and you dont appear busy.
Quote this comment #19.2 Posted by examinus on 27 Aug 2005 - 16:16
I really don't like MSN Plus, sorry
Quote this comment #19.3 Posted by Nitrate on 27 Aug 2005 - 16:59
You could just change the name of the online.wav file I guess when you want no sound and then change it back when you do, bit of a long way of doing it though.
Quote this comment #19.4 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 17:56
QUOTE
You could just change the name of the online.wav file I guess when you want no sound and then change it back when you do, bit of a long way of doing it though.

lol
QUOTE
I really don't like MSN Plus, sorry

Please dont tell me its because of the sponser....
Well then try its competition; MessengerDiscovery X
You could possibly do it with that add-on as well but Im not sure of its features..
Quote this comment #19.5 Posted by tm™ on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:57
Options > Alerts and Sounds > Uncheck "Play a sound when contacts sign in or send a message".
Quote this comment #19.6 Posted by examinus on 28 Aug 2005 - 11:54
I know you can install plus without the sponsor stuff, but I just don't like it. Its hard to explain. I know the option to turn sounds off is there but it would be so much better if there was a little button somewhere (maybe next to block) that allows you to just mute it instantly.

I think it would be good to have a menu button like in WMP10 so you don't have to enable the top menu everytime you want to change a setting etc.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #20 Posted by some_guy on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:46
hmm... animated avatars...

i like the idea, i use and make a lot of animated gifs... wonder how much memory msn messenger will eat up because of this...
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #21 Posted by renshaw2k4 on 27 Aug 2005 - 13:59
Isn't there already a msn 8.0?? the one you paid for
Quote this comment #21.1 Posted by Bonbon on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:21
MSN 8.0 and MSN Messenger 8.0 aren't the same thing MSN 8.0 is Microsoft's internet solution.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #22 Posted by exhale on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:06
Yay! More bloatware!
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #23 Posted by realmccoy on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:17
Use Trillian
Quote this comment #23.1 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 30 Aug 2005 - 22:51
See, we need more blunt and to-the-point trolling like this! No beating around the bush, just a swift trolling post and you're good!
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #24 Posted by scaife on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:37
All I ever wanted was a service which would allow me to simply chat with my friends and family.
Quote this comment #24.1 Posted by Equinoctial on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:48
Err... It does! You don't have to use all the features if you don't want to. I use it primarily for chatting and occasional use the other features too. If you don't like it there are other less feature rich alternatives out there.
Quote this comment #24.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Aug 2005 - 17:57
2 Words: Windows Messenger
Quote this comment #24.3 Posted by scaife on 28 Aug 2005 - 00:53
I know there are alternatives; I don't even use Windows, so I can't use MSN Messenger. I was just making a point. An IM service is not a radio station is not a portal is not a picture contest is not a newsreader is not a media player.
Quote this comment #24.4 Posted by threedaysdwn on 28 Aug 2005 - 07:34
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I don't even use Windows, so I can't use MSN Messenger.


Umm, there's a Messenger for Mac, eh?

And I'm pretty sure MSN Messenger works under WINE.

So unless you're on like an Amiga or something, you probably could use it
Quote this comment #24.5 Posted by scaife on 28 Aug 2005 - 08:50
That's completely irrelevant to the point, and just being picky that I decided to use a slightly inaccurate word for the sake of keeping things simple. But okay then, read it as in "can't be bothered making a heap of extra effort to use MSN Messenger on Linux when I don't even like it and would prefer to use a certain native client anyway". Yeesh.
Quote this comment #24.6 Posted by jon86 on 29 Aug 2005 - 10:07
When working under Linux I use GAIM for the MSN Messenger (and Yahoo and Jabber [Google]) protocol. I can still chat with my friends and family that are using other MSN Messenger clients but without all the 'bloat' associated with the latest MSN Messenger Windows clients.

I am pretty sure GAIM can work under Windows although I just use MSN Messenger 6.2.0205 for a slim MSN Messenger client for Windows.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #25 Posted by doubledragonxz on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:39
Oh Microsoft, here we go... looks like we will need in the future only 1 program to integrate everything, Messenger + WMP + MSN Music Store + Internet Explorer....Is this a good thing? A bloated software incapable of being simple?
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #26 Posted by Raa on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:49
Well I got msn 7.5 to work on 2k....... I wonder if msn8 will?
Quote this comment #26.1 Posted by nathanr on 28 Aug 2005 - 04:36
check www.mess.be, someone patched an msn messenger 7.5 installation to work with win2k
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #27 Posted by nwBen on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:54
My sources tell me this is fake
Quote this comment #27.1 Posted by SIG on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:55
My sources tell me your sources are wrong.
Quote this comment #27.2 Posted by krono6 on 27 Aug 2005 - 16:03
My sources told your sources to tell nwBen's sources to serve him apple sauce, though they didn't do it. So, it's most likely fake
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #28 Posted by JoDaddy on 27 Aug 2005 - 14:55
Sounds like some cool stuff...
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #29 Posted by Colin-uk on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:12
Sonds like someones 'wishlist' to me :whistles:
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #30 Posted by mko on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:15
Faster scrolling and pausing of downloads sounds great. But too much other crap for my liking.

The mess patch programmers are going to have a field day removing all this crap. Soon they'll have to adopt a new interface since all those checkboxes are already becoming a tedious process!
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #31 Posted by James_McNab on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:19
They should scrap winks, animated backgrounds and other 'kidz' features that no one above 12 really has any use for..
Quote this comment #31.1 Posted by rm20010 on 27 Aug 2005 - 18:38
Which is why the beta program for Messenger 8 MUST BE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY. No more sub 13 year old testers PLEASE! They're screwing up a good IM client by adding BS into it.
Quote this comment #31.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 28 Aug 2005 - 19:50
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Which is why the beta program for Messenger 8 MUST BE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY. No more sub 13 year old testers PLEASE! They're screwing up a good IM client by adding BS into it.

Thats BS....

They're only problem is that they are targeting a incorrect audience; Nothing about sub 13 testers...
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #32 Posted by BlueDraGon on 27 Aug 2005 - 15:44
I thikn that is already included in the mess patch
Quote this comment