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Privacy concerns over Yahoo IM upgrade

macstorm   on 05 September 2005 - 07:35 · 33 comments & 8634 views

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The newest free version of Yahoo Instant Messenger (YIM) boasts advanced Internet phone calling in an upgrade that comes "highly recommended" by Yahoo. By clicking "yes" to the update, a user can expect to get a slicker YIM interface with buttons to quickly chat, blog, swap photos or call someone online. It even has new emoticons. Those changes are what many might expect. What they may not expect are all the other tools they get when not paying attention.

By accepting Yahoo's "typical" installation of YIM with Voice, it will also download Yahoo's Search Toolbar with anti-spyware and anti-pop-up software, desktop and system tray shortcuts, as well as Yahoo Extras, which will insert Yahoo links into the Internet Explorer browser. The IM client also contains "live words", which will automatically show an icon when the user highlights words online and then hyperlink to Yahoo search results, definitions or translation tools. Finally, the installation will alter the users' home page and auto-search functions to point to Yahoo by default.

News source: ZDNet Australia


What's New in this release:
  • New: Feed Engine; This one replaces the unreliable one used by FeedMonster before.
  • Changed: Feed Database format; It is now an XML file that combines the feeds list (.fmf) and the feed link files (.flf).
  • Changed: Web Browser controls; Same IE just a different control
  • Added: Feed Auto Discovery; automatcally scans for links to RSS feeds in the pages you vist in the FeedMonster web browser.
  • Fixed: Annoying Feed Selection issue; Occured when a feed was already being downloaded and the user clicked on
  • Changed: Item Newspaper theme; Now uses a built in CSS stylesheet.
  • Added: Status Bar; FMWB actually finished now
  • Changed: Add feed and Edit feed moved; Now on a sidebar
  • Added: Toolbar and Sidebar layout saving; Now when you reposition the toolbars and sidebars they're automatically repositioned for you each time you start FeedMonster
  • Added: Tabbed Browser; now FeedMonster has a tabbed browser just like all the others.
  • Added: Colored Tabs; Tabs in FeedMonster now have alternating background colors
  • Fixed: ClickTwice feed viewing; now when a feed has never been DL'ed all you have to do is ClickOnce.
This version of FeedMonster has a new file format for the feeds list, on first run FeedMonster will activate an automatic built-in converter that will convert the original feeds file over to this new format. After the first run you will have to rename your orginal feeds file so that the converter won't trigger every time you start. There is also a known issue with the feed image element in all feeds that contain a feed image. To correct this issue for this release the feed image elements are ignored, This will be fixed in beta 4.

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(4 replies) #1 nw_raptor on 05 Sep 2005 - 07:45
Can they at least select "Custom" installation? You can never trust "Typical" settings in IM nowadays.
#1.1 Nitrate on 05 Sep 2005 - 08:51
You have to choose the 'advanced' option to prevent these from installing, and many people will not click this because they do not consider that they know exactly what they are doing. A few years ago I wouldn't have choosen the advanced option.
#1.2 shao on 05 Sep 2005 - 14:57
in yahoo's defense, the installation method for messenger hasn't changed much since version 5.x, probably even earlier. YIM has always set browser search / home pages / toolbars / links / favourites / etc for a long time, so this is barely news at all.
#1.3 Slugbait on 05 Sep 2005 - 20:58
QUOTE
in yahoo's defense, the installation method for messenger hasn't changed much since version 5.x, probably even earlier. YIM has always set browser search / home pages / toolbars / links / favourites / etc for a long time, so this is barely news at all.
You are incorrect in your defense of them. Many people at my company installed the beta, and those options were fully visible as an intregal part of the installation wizard flow.

The final version had a different installation wizard than the beta, with a completely different appearance as well as design, and several "options" were no longer a part of the basic Next->Next->Next flow...instead, you would have to notice the "hyperlinks" at the top (which is highly unusual for an install wiz, there is normally a checkbox for Custom installs), and the link was dressed in a plain-white banner area that was anything but eye-catching. As a result, several people at my company were totally caught off guard when they suddenly had a Yahoo toolbar embedded in their browser after upgrading from the beta.
#1.4 eagleye on 06 Sep 2005 - 06:43
Yahoo! link to clean installer
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plain messenger from Yahoo.com

here is the link http://us.dl1.yimg.com:80/download.yahoo.com/dl/msgr7/us/ymsgr7us.exe
OR just click HERE
(1 reply) #2 eminem213486 on 05 Sep 2005 - 07:45
wow, when will they learn that we dont like that/

completelly takes over the system

same with the AIm triton betas. installs aol explorer by default, it makes me completelly sick
yahoo went a step above that by installing ALL their **** instead of just a browser.

fred666: please do not circumvent the swear word filter

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#2.1 Neb Okla on 05 Sep 2005 - 19:21
Reminds me of an episode of my favorite TV show that discussed the issue of profanity. I highly reccomend watching the video:


Link removed - Considering even just the title of the show, this is unnacceptable

Last edited by 28781 on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:19
#3 RudyJ on 05 Sep 2005 - 07:46
Well if people are too lazy or ignorant to actually READ and just keep clicking yes/ok/accept or whatever................and YES, there is a custom install.
(1 reply) #4 xpgeek on 05 Sep 2005 - 08:10
This is why I ALWAYS choose custom install for EVERYTHING. Even if I dont change a single thing about the install, I like to know what I'm installing.
#4.1 domgrimm on 05 Sep 2005 - 08:13
The problem is, the typical user doesn't do this. They're going to have the same sort of problem that Messenger Plus! is having, I think
#5 idoia on 05 Sep 2005 - 08:16

Isn't that Yahoo Anti-Spyware tool actually Spyware ??
(1 reply) #6 AshMan on 05 Sep 2005 - 08:59
Bloat! Bloat! Bloat! Bloat!
#6.1 Colin-uk on 05 Sep 2005 - 09:18
you said it, wow, this is worse than having to untick those 4 boxes when installing MSN..
(1 reply) #7 [DGS] on 05 Sep 2005 - 09:40
At least MSN Messenger warns you about the addons!!!
#7.1 lbmouse on 06 Sep 2005 - 19:18
.... but Windows doesn't. Now how do I get rid of this frickin' IE and media player?
#8 Rapier on 05 Sep 2005 - 09:55
Isn't there a standalone installer for the messenger without the crap ?
i think this is the link
http://us.dl1.yimg.com/download.yahoo.com/dl/msgr7/us/ymsgr7_437_us.exe

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#9 AlleyMan on 05 Sep 2005 - 12:23
i was gonna say that why isnt there a stand alone version available or maybe even a patch like 'a-patch' for YIM but #8 gives a glimmer of hope
(5 replies) #10 Dale on 05 Sep 2005 - 12:54
its always been like that from the beginning. I don't get why we need a article for that. MSN Messenger is not that much different than this.. MSN Messenger asks for MSN toolbar and homepage and all that crap as well.
#10.1 rIaHc3 on 05 Sep 2005 - 13:39
Exactly. AIM also installs the Google Toolbar I think......This really isnt worth for a frontpage
#10.2 Sub on 05 Sep 2005 - 13:48
Right...AIM Installs Google toolbar vs thier own....
#10.3 Colin-uk on 05 Sep 2005 - 14:17
MSN doesnt have a "typical" installation option though...
#10.4 threedaysdwn on 05 Sep 2005 - 17:15
From what I recall - MSN Messenger *always* asks you what changes you want it to make (search page, start page, Toolbar installation).
#10.5 Dale on 06 Sep 2005 - 00:04
yahoo messenger doesn't.. i should call it ask.. but it has the option to do so.. neverless.. its always been there from the beginning. Gee, some people should start reading installers.
(1 reply) #11 Lingwo on 05 Sep 2005 - 15:20
Instead of the usual "The installation is complete" screen they should have "you've been pwned by Yahoo"
#11.1 xpgeek on 05 Sep 2005 - 17:38
LOL
(2 replies) #12 Patchou on 05 Sep 2005 - 16:12
I'm glad to see such news, I've been telling this kind of thing for a long time now... companies like Yahoo, Microsoft and Google seem to have the right to install whatever advertisement they want on a computer without being detected by any anti-spyware program and without anybody complaining.

The description made of the Yahoo package is VERY similar to the description you could do of the Messenger Plus! sponsor except that in the case of Messenger Plus! nothing is checked by default (and the setup of the next version will make sure you don't mis-interpret the sponsor agreement screen with a standard one). Despite that, software like MS Anti-Spyware don't detect a single file in the Yahoo package. The criterias of detection seem to be very relative to who you are nowadays, no software user should tolerate that and that's also the very reason why there's a petition about it on msgplus.net right now.
#12.1 threedaysdwn on 05 Sep 2005 - 17:16
If you have the real-time protection agent turned on, does it tell you that a program has been added to start-up/IE and that your search/home pages have changes?

I wouldn't know since I don't use YIM and have no desire to.
#12.2 Patchou on 05 Sep 2005 - 18:08
yes it does, but what it does not do with yahoo is list it as "Software Bundler" during a scan and it does not display a big red "Warning" popup telling you Yahoo is trying to install on your computer to prevent the software from running.
#13 vet[NFC]Wave on 05 Sep 2005 - 16:26
Thread cleaned up from unnecessary posts and flamebait

Play nice people, we know what spam is.
(1 reply) #14 ghos on 05 Sep 2005 - 21:40
The key phrase above is " What they may not expect are all the other tools they get when not paying attention."
When doing installations why are you NOT paying attention? Programs will try to "sneak" things into your computer if you just click Next, Next, Next. Yahoo is not alone in this.
However during the install, two of the "complaints" are easily unchecked on a simple glance at the install screen. Sure Custom Install is only a text link which is unusual, but it is very easy to see.
I don't know why people have to make news over something that isn't, and something that in this case is easily avoided if you PAY attention during installs.
#14.1 Slugbait on 06 Sep 2005 - 06:27
No, it's not very easy to see. You have to understand that the vast majority of people using a mouse don't know what to do with the right button, much less are as observant and as knowledgeable about computers as you are. Why the heck do you think thousands upon thousands of people wonder why their computer is so slow that it's completely unusable after installing Messenger Plus!? And at least that program gives you the option of looking twice before you totally fark yourself...

Arguing that the customer should know every detail during an installation has been a cop-out since Win3.0. Why people keep arguing this cop-out over a decade later is astounding.
#15 Makeshift Hammer on 05 Sep 2005 - 23:32
<snip>

Quite uncalled for

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#16 eagleye on 06 Sep 2005 - 04:20
cool

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