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eEye: Flaw found in IE, Outlook installation

macstorm   on 07 September 2005 - 13:56 · 28 comments & 3846 views

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A security flaw has been found in the default installation process for Microsoft's Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express, according to eEye Digital Security. A common thread with these applications is the potential for a buffer overflow, which in turn could allow an attacker to gain access to users' systems remotely, said Mike Puterbaugh, eEye's senior director of product marketing.

eEye, which issued an announcement about the problem late last week, noted that systems at risk include those running Windows XP with Service Pack 0 or 1 and Windows 2000. The security specialist noted that it is still conducting reviews of the flaw and could find that other versions of the operating system are affected. Microsoft is not aware of any attacks involving the reported vulnerability or any customers who have been affected, a company representative said.

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#1 lare2 on 07 Sep 2005 - 14:03
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XP with Service Pack 0


(1 reply) #2 ecotrojan on 07 Sep 2005 - 14:08
I wonder how many people run XP with svc pack 0 or 1?
#2.1 mleonc on 07 Sep 2005 - 14:10
A lot still, but there is no way to know how many. Also remember a lot of people run 2000, not only Professional, but servers too.
#3 bucko on 07 Sep 2005 - 14:39
Another reason for you SP1ers to upgrade to SP2
(2 replies) #4 Lexcyn on 07 Sep 2005 - 14:58
Why does it seem that every flaw now will allow someone to gain remote control of your machine?
#4.1 mleonc on 07 Sep 2005 - 15:03
Bad software, that includes design and coding.
#4.2 sphbecker on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:16
It is because almost every security vulnerability is in the form of an unchecked buffer. An unchecked buffer allows data to be written which is larger then the allocated memory; whatever exceeded the allocated memory overwrites whatever is next to the data in memory. The worst case scenario is that a commonly run instruction resides next to the data block with the unchecked buffer; allowing someone to put code into the data field and having it overwrite application code with his own.

Only a small number of unchecked buffers allow for system compromise, because the attacker needs some way to put data in the unchecked field and a commonly executed piece of code must reside directly after the memory block. However the risk level of “could allow an attacker to gain access to users' systems” seems to be given to all unchecked buffer flaws found. I’m not saying that is wrong, because there is a chance someone could find a way to do it, but there is a very good chance that an exploit could not be found, or if one was found it might have a low success percentage (if the attacker is only able to re-write a rarely used piece of code for example). There is also the user intervention, does the exploit require user intervention, does it require the user to accept a security warning, does it require the user to do something difficult to do (ie, search for a file on the hard drive and run or delete it)? Each time you answer Yes to any of those you significantly reduced the risk of a virus spreading.
(3 replies) #5 mleonc on 07 Sep 2005 - 15:02
The problem of monolitic designs.

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#5.1 markjensen on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:52
"monolithic"? As in kernel design? I believe Windows uses a hybrid kernel (part monlithic, part modular). So do other Operating Systems that have a significant percentage of "Remote" type and "System" level advisories.

If you meant "monopolistic" or perhaps "monoculture", I think you can see by the linked examples above, that software flaws hold no political, social or economic bounds.
#5.2 ev0| on 07 Sep 2005 - 17:26
I think perhaps that he is referring to the fact that the nt kernel is not a microkernel like Mach.
#5.3 mleonc on 07 Sep 2005 - 18:35
That's it
(13 replies) #6 Echelon Left on 07 Sep 2005 - 15:23
It's "Windows XP RTM." There's no such thing as "Service Pack 0."
Get your terminology right, ZDnet.

Why are some people still running pre-XPsp2 machines? Various reasons exist... but in my books most of those are atributable to computer illitearcy. A lot of people don't know what Windows Update is, don't know what Automatic Updates is, and if you mention a Service Pack they look at you like the proveribial deer caught in the headlights.
The computer illiterates of the world want to treat their PCs like a TV set. They expect it to work perfectly out of the box. They have no idea that the thing needs regular software updates. Frankly, these people should have a computer-free exclusion zone drawn around them becasue they are dangerous to themselves and others when it comes to PCs.
#6.1 MasterTae on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:13
Not everyone in this world has the time to sit in front of there computer for 15-18+ hours a day and do nothing. Just because they havn't upgraded there machine, doesn't mean they know no better. I blame Microsoft to a certain extent with all there so-called vulnerabilities. I have never seen software as much as Microsoft's updates. It's starting to sound like to me, they have so many updates because of software errors, that they want the not so knowing of computers to log onto to there WINDOWS UPDATE site, just to hardware hash and log there IP to see if there running a illegal copy of windows. NO wonder why so many people seem to pirate (WHICH IS OLD TERM), let's say borrow or evaluate there crappy software. I like a preveribal deer in my headlights, and most by instinct run away, like I would from Microsoft's crap software. And of course alot of people don't have a idea that there software needs DAILY UPDATES practically, starting to sound IRREGULAR to me. I'm gonna update myself to the northern hemisphere, don't disrespect the everyday WORKING JOE. Go out and get a job, and spend less time with your virtual girlfriend...............
#6.2 parithon on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:39
You're a bit in denial or arrogant, you pick. Echelon is correct in his statement that most don't know about updates, and those that do know about the updates and choose to just ignore them are even worse!

I can agree with an IT professional working in an enterprise environment doing extensive tests on updates before implementing them, but in the average "Joe's" or "Jane's" home computer it almost seems a bit silly not to update.

Secondly, PRIATE is not an old term... Installing software that you don't have a license for is called pirating (not evaluateing, borrowing, or using as a trial) and its against the law. MS has trial software, as do many other companies, that one could install legally with a limited license, any other method is stealing!

Last, Microsoft makes some great software and they're the first to acknowledge that there is a flaw in their code and correct the issue faster than any other company out there.
#6.3 MasterTae on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:52
Sounds like your in denial pal. Go back to spelling school. I can't believe you graduated IT school. Just like me, I guess I went to the NASA science program and Im a aerospace engineer right? At least I still have time for my family. Spending my time in front of a computer all day is the last thing I wanna do... Jackass.

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#6.4 Echelon Left on 07 Sep 2005 - 17:10
Congratulations, Tae: You didn't completely miss the point. Almost, but not quite. You win a cookie.
#6.5 MasterTae on 07 Sep 2005 - 17:14
That's ok, thanks for the offer. HUGGIES ARE ON SALE THIS WEEK. I'll go by yourself a box. I don't eat cookies, I would rather eat that preveribal venison anyday.
#6.6 Joel on 07 Sep 2005 - 17:25
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At least I still have time for my family. Spending my time in front of a computer all day is the last thing I wanna do... Jackass.

Funny, it doesn't take me 16 hours + to update my computer. Maybe you're just doing it wrong.

And, of course, you know that SP2 could have been installed automatically, right?
#6.7 vet[NFC]Wave on 07 Sep 2005 - 17:32
Enough of the personal attacks. Get back on topic or warnings will have to be handed out. This behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
#6.8 MasterTae on 07 Sep 2005 - 18:05
Come on JOEL, no need to highlight A PHRASE of a sentence. Start from the beginning next time. Read first, then phrase or quote the facts later.
#6.9 PCyr on 07 Sep 2005 - 20:04
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Go back to spelling school.


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Just because they havn't upgraded there machine, doesn't mean they know no better. I blame Microsoft to a certain extent with all there so-called vulnerabilities. I have never seen software as much as Microsoft's updates. It's starting to sound like to me, they have so many updates because of software errors, that they want the not so knowing of computers to log onto to there WINDOWS UPDATE site, just to hardware hash and log there IP to see if there running a illegal copy of windows. {Holy run-on sentance Batman!} NO wonder why so many people seem to pirate (WHICH IS OLD TERM), let's say borrow or evaluate there crappy software. I like a preveribal deer in my headlights, and most by instinct run away, like I would from Microsoft's crap software. And of course alot of people don't have a idea that there software needs DAILY UPDATES practically, starting to sound IRREGULAR to me. I'm gonna update myself to the northern hemisphere, don't disrespect the everyday WORKING JOE. Go out and get a job, and spend less time with your virtual girlfriend...............

Grammar and spelling mistakes bolded; unreadable sentences/phrases italicised.

Ironic. Let's not insult someone else's spelling unless you made sure to proof your own.
#6.10 MasterTae on 07 Sep 2005 - 20:33
[QUOTE]{Holy run-on sentance Batman!} Like I care? Let's not play the game of what you think things should be.
#6.11 parithon on 07 Sep 2005 - 20:49
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Sounds like your in denial pal. Go back to spelling school. I can't believe you graduated IT school. Just like me, I guess I went to the NASA science program and Im a aerospace engineer right? At least I still have time for my family. Spending my time in front of a computer all day is the last thing I wanna do... Jackass


I don't remember explaining that I went to IT school, much less graduated from one as if I was high-all-mighty. Also, sorry, please replace evaluateing with evaluating... yup, looks like that's all the spelling errors in my reply to your message.

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Like I care? Let's not play the game of what you think things should be.


You showed you cared when you tried to attack me on my lack of spelling capabilities. You can't have it both ways; it makes you look like a dumb-ass.

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At least I still have time for my family


Now that is an asumption if I've ever heard one. I have plenty of "family" time and still have my computer up-to-date. Microsoft Update will update all my Microsoft software for me. There is also the lovely Windows Automatic Update service which will keep my machine safe from all critical known flaws in Windows. On average I can rebuild, from scratch, a computer to include OS, Office, Updates for each in about 2 hours... whats your deal?
#6.12 PCyr on 07 Sep 2005 - 21:02
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Like I care?

You brought it up

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Let's not play the game of what you think things should be.

Not I, the English language. You've joined multiple independant clauses together, therefore it's a fused sentence. Maybe Parithon isn't the one who needs spelling school.
#6.13 SquareSoft0 on 08 Sep 2005 - 07:53
MasterTae is wrong. That is all.
(1 reply) #7 vet[NFC]Wave on 07 Sep 2005 - 15:39
Come on guys... no need to start attacking everyone just because some people haven't upgraded. I imagine there are still people out there who actually just didn't realize they need to. "Buy a computer, why do I have to do a tune-up? That's for my car."

They just need to be educated more.
#7.1 sphbecker on 07 Sep 2005 - 16:25
Well MS still supports XP SP1 and Windows 2000 SP4, so that means they will need to patch those versions of Windows. MS will be dropping support for XP SP1 very soon, so at that point users who don't want to install the free upgrade to SP2 will not have the latest patches available.
#8 toadeater on 07 Sep 2005 - 18:26
<snipped> Please put the flamebait away.

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