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(1 reply) #1 Posted by Unknown User on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:26

Awesome

#1.1 Posted by sphbecker on 12 Sep 2005 - 01:43

I run XP Pro at home now, but it looks like Home Premium is almost perfect for my needs. I will miss Remote Desktop and it is nice knowing you have IIS if you ever want to play around with it, but those two things are probably not worth stepping up to Ultimate.

#2 Posted by XP-RTM on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:27

i just hope that they dont remove any more features from the MCE version... compared to the XP MCE version

(3 replies) #3 Posted by Mr. Dee on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:27

Customer: May I have the Windows Vista Ultimate Edition please?
Cashier: $5,000 Sir

Customer: I change my mind may I have a copy of Windows XP Home please.

#3.1 Posted by todd` on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:37

My guess is that the Enterprise version will be more expensive than Ultimate.

#3.2 Posted by Rekoil on 11 Sep 2005 - 04:15

no frikken way

#3.3 Posted by sphbecker on 12 Sep 2005 - 01:32

Most likely Enterprise edition will be the same price as Pro, but it will be what is shipped to volume license customers. It may be foolish to guess at this point, but my feeling is that Ultimate Edition may also be limited to volume license customers.

(2 replies) #4 Posted by Post-It Note on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:27

Ultimate? Haven't we gotten enough video games named Ultimate? Why not just add Vista Extreme Ultimate Premium Edition then.

#4.1 Posted by Darknm on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:16

can anyone say mass confusion on what version they want? haha.. i think its a marketing scam to get everyone to purchace the version with everything in it for a jacked up price..

#4.2 Posted by sphbecker on 12 Sep 2005 - 01:36

I really don't think it will be all that confusing. Most OEMs will only offer the two Home Editions. Companies like Dell will probably tack on the Small Business Edition and Pro versions to their option pages, but because of their higher cost no one would select them without understanding the differences.

(1 reply) #5 Posted by C-Fu on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:27

WhereTF is the READ MORE link?

#5.1 Posted by SiDEBURNS on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:31

Bang!

http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/47665/windowspaulthurrott_47665.html

#6 Posted by jadkins555 on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:27

Nice.

#7 Posted by .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:29

ULTRA

-fm
ultra buyer
...waits for the pricing list

(3 replies) #8 Posted by Ppk01 on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:30

Nothing is ultimate in the Wide World of Windows™. It'll get replaced within 4 years. Guarantee.

#8.1 Posted by Darknm on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:17

they said vista was suppost to last for 10 years untill it gets outdated and replaced unless your thinking of lunix or somthing

#8.2 Posted by threedaysdwn on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:58

well XP will probably last close to 10 years before it's really seen as outdated. Just because Vista will be used 10 years after its release, doesn't mean there won't be another version much sooner than that.

#8.3 Posted by plastikaa on 11 Sep 2005 - 08:02

People use 95 still, for me I simply upgrade OS when I get a new computer. As Im getting an alienware after christmas and Vista doesnt come out till 7 December 2006, I wont have it until I upgrade my PC in a couple of years after that, ah well. XP Pro seems okay now to me.

(2 replies) #9 Posted by itaniumpower on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:31

Omg the ultimate pwnz... hope there's a way to unlock it's features at starter edition
its good news, at least emerging markets won't buy many pirated copies as before

#9.1 Posted by lare2 on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:32

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at least emerging markets won't buy many pirated copies as before

lol .....That was really funny

there's starter editions of xp already, and that didn't stop piracy on those countries

#9.2 Posted by mr_skrilla on 11 Sep 2005 - 03:01

I don't know if you are serious or not but that was freakin (gotta watch out my warning level) funny

(2 replies) #10 Posted by hotdog963al on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:31

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Catchy...
How about Microsoft Windows Red & Blue

#10.1 Posted by DigitalDude on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:10

They did have ideas of pokemon games names for vista like ruby and sapphire, would'nt be suprised if they did that: Windows: gotta break em all

#10.2 Posted by Rekoil on 11 Sep 2005 - 10:27

Windows: Gotta crash 'em all

#11 Posted by todd` on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:35

Ultra will be the most widely available for pirates.

(8 replies) #12 Posted by betasp on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:41

Free music download will be abuse of the monopoly. Sounds like MS will try to pull another Netscape with that one. It won't fly with regulators. I know if the rumor proves to be true, I'll be firing off letters to every newspaper, congressperson and media outlet I can find.

#12.1 Posted by Ironman273 on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:51

You're upset they want to give you something free? Go figure....

#12.2 Posted by Ryan92 on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:11

Technically, it wouldn't really be free since you'd probably be paying for it in the total cost for Windows Vista Ultimate, so I see no problem there. And its not like there forcing you to get the song/music.

#12.3 Posted by betasp on 11 Sep 2005 - 00:21

Just like technically, IE was not free... and neither was Windows Media player. Both inclusions were considered abuses of their monopolies (legally and proven in court). This will be no different. I have no problem with them including free things, but allow the option for other venders as well. Allow Apple to include free downloads built in, as well as Real within the default Windows install. Based on MS history, that will never happen.

#12.4 Posted by Ghostdraconi on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:33

This is completely different from IE. The customer still has to go and download the music, it also isn't standard on all platforms. People complained about IE because they weren't given a choice of having it on their system. In this case there are other, cheaper versions of Vista you can purchase.

#12.5 Posted by Smigit on 11 Sep 2005 - 04:59

right. And apple should include IE in Apples install or better yet, the entire Windows XP.

Besides people do have an option, dont buy the ultimate version. How easy is that

#12.6 Posted by betasp on 11 Sep 2005 - 13:09

Lets just wait and see what happens? You can't compare Apple to MS, because MS has been found to have a monopoly and Apple has not. There is no legel comparison. Also, what really matters is what MS requires computer makers to include in default installs.

#12.7 Posted by rIaHc3 on 11 Sep 2005 - 14:40

Who said that makers are gonna pack Ultimate edition as the standard? Do makers pack in Windows 2003 even if its newer? NO. Like said, noone is forcing you download the music. This feature is like Windows Movie Maker


And why the hell do you NOT want something included for free?

#12.8 Posted by Ambience on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:23

^ Trust me. There is a lot of stuff you don't want for free. MSN 7.5. Think about it.

(1 reply) #13 Posted by MegaManXcalibur on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:44

Wow... did they release enough editions his time?

Seriously (in my opinion) this is going to really confuse many people. It will end up being a pain to remember what versions of Windows Vista have which features. Things like trying to remember what versions have built in file permission settings (without requiring a boot into safe mode as Windows XP Home Edition does), backup support, or support for Software Restriction Policies is going to be a chore at this rate.

I really wish they would have just stuck with the three (well technically four with Tablet PC Edition but that's mostly Windows XP Pro with Table PC support thrown in) version scheme like XP (or even better just have one version of the operating system).

#13.1 Posted by Smigit on 11 Sep 2005 - 05:04

it seems pretty bad but how many of those will actually be available on a shelf. Enterprise wont be nor will starter. Small business is obviously not for the consumer which leaves about 4 products for them to choose from.

If you look at the market today we currently have home, pro and media edition (I duno if thats available over the counter). In any event, theres still at least 3 versions of Xp in circulation atm at a consumer level, so it's only really one or maybe 2 extra options.

Still alot but it's also worth remembering the bulk of windows installs are done through OEM purchases with new computers, not over the counter purchases

(2 replies) #14 Posted by toadeater on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:45

MS is going to be in tech support hell from this. Then think of the updates. They could barely handle XP and old Windows versions, now they think they can handle seven versions of Vista, plus XP, plus old Windows?

I'm not even going to comment on the music downloads, etc. MS is due for another court appearance!

You might also want to read this:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/

#14.1 Posted by Ghostdraconi on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:40

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You might also want to read this: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/

I really wish people whould get a clue and stop posting that crap. There is no way those are minimum requirements.

#14.2 Posted by toadeater on 12 Sep 2005 - 03:36

And you know that how?

(2 replies) #15 Posted by Fritzly on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:49

What is "Pre-paid access to the Windows Live! Small Business or Microsoft Office Live! subscription services"? Is it something like Windows and Office update?
Also if I buy the "Ultimate" edition I will have "games tweaking" but not "multi-language user interface (MUI)" and "Backup and Shadow Copy support, Castle and server-join networking, and PC fax and scanning utility"? I mean if there is a, surely expensive, "Ultra" edition it should include everything.

#15.1 Posted by Rekoil on 11 Sep 2005 - 10:44

and im betting it will

#15.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 11 Sep 2005 - 14:42

Its pretty obvious that Ultimate edition will include all the features of the other versions...

#16 Posted by todd` on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:50

Stop complaining about the "Ultimate" name. That version seems like it's targetting PC enthusiasts and gamers. We are such a small portion of the people that will be using this version that it won't matter too much.

(1 reply) #17 Posted by NextGen_Gamer on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:51

No, I'm sure you can tweak your games settings with the regular Vista Home versions and up. My guess is that the Ultimate's Game Performance Tweaker has more to do with WinSAT. You know how WinSAT can monitor your system and tell you when an application has slowed down your boot-up time or something? Maybe the Game Performance Tweaker takes it to the next level. For instance, maybe with one click you could turn off all third-party applications and services, along with all non-essential Windows Vista services, in order to run your game in the best possible way. It could even have built-in benchmark routines (only DirectX 10/Vista games of course) that it could run real quick, then automatically adjust the settings for the best balance of quality and performance according to the capabilites of your monitor, video card, CPU, and system memory.

#17.1 Posted by j0j081 on 12 Sep 2005 - 01:16

I thought Vista was going to kill all unnecessary processes/services when running a game automatically...Or was this an idea that was floating around and never got implemented?

(1 reply) #18 Posted by sullysnet on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:52

this is silly, there is no need for this many products

#18.1 Posted by StarSabers on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:06

I agree, it'll be quite lame if this is the case. What they need to do is lower the price by at least 50 to 75%, and then release a few versions like with XP. They need to know that today ... there are several families with many computers (ie: we have 5). I'm not paying $200 for each and every computer in the house. I'd rather keep XP.

(1 reply) #19 Posted by Danellis on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:53

How on earth is someone meant to decide which is right for them?!

What exactly is the difference between Windows Vista Home Basic Edition and XP home? Is there even a point in upgrading from XP home to Windows Vista Home Basic Edition?

#19.1 Posted by rob.derosa on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:59

one is windows xp
one is windows vista

could it be any more obvious

(3 replies) #20 Posted by xpgeek on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:56

I'l probly take the Pro one since I've always prefered XP Pro.

#20.1 Posted by Mr. Dee on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:03

I will need that Edition since I join a Domain at work.

#20.2 Posted by macstorm on 12 Sep 2005 - 01:11

..and I'll take the Ultimate since I always like to be on the top

#20.3 Posted by alastair04 on 13 Sep 2005 - 09:53

But what about Home Premium features I'm guessing if they're going down this route Pro might not include some of the features from the Home basic version if they're not seen as helpful to businesses, unlike with XP where it's a nice simple superset of Home.

(2 replies) #21 Posted by Mr. Dee on 10 Sep 2005 - 21:59

What about Windows Vista Embedded Edition?

#21.1 Posted by TwoTailedFox on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:15

I expect Windows XP Embedded to continue, until the next Iteration of Windows. Windows 2000 didn't ship with an Embedded Edition, and from looking at history, I don't think Vista will ship with one.

Then again, I could be wrong. Windows NT 4.0 Embedded was released a full two years after Windows NT 4.0 went RTM, so if they did release an Embedded Version, they'd do it a few years down the line, and probably call it Windows NT 6.0 Embedded (Vista Embedded? Can't see that as an Advertising plot for a version of Windows designed for Kiosks, and ATM's)

#21.2 Posted by Mr. Dee on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:28

Apr. 15, 2005

Several tantalizing hints about Longhorn Embedded, the successor to Windows XP Embedded, emerged in a live chat yesterday on Microsoft's MSDN developer website. Microsoft has stated that Longhorn Embedded (LHe) will be released within about 90 days of the release of Longhorn Pro (LHPro), currently scheduled for late 2006.

Backwards compatibility

In response to a question about backward compatibility, Andy Allred, Test Manager for Windows Embedded, said that code developed for LHe that has dependencies satisfied in XPe "should" work.

"We are trying to maintain backwards compatibility with EEFs (Embedded Enabling Features) wherever possible, so perhaps some new LHe EEFs will be backported to XPe," commented Allred. However, he also pointed out that there may be new EEFs or features that leverage technologies only available in Longhorn and these won't be compatible with XPe.

Same codebase, consistent skill sets

Jay Kramer, Program Manager for Embedded, noted that LHe and LH Pro will share the same codebase so that developer skills or tools applicable to one will work for both.

"Keeping these skill sets the same is one of our primary goals in XPe and LHe," said Kramer.
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The bold paragraphs prove that there will be Vista Embedded Edition released 90 days after Official launch of Windows Vista and it will be on the same codebase, which means it will be version 6.0, but of course will be called Windows Vista Embedded, since it was already give the code name Longhorn Embedded and Vista replaces the code name.

http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3148167344.html

#22 Posted by EduardValencia on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:05

nice marketing move,7 editions to different target groups.

(3 replies) #23 Posted by MGS3-SS on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:15

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"The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC"

LOL, yeah right. It will be good, but not the best ever.

#23.1 Posted by dismuter on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:05

Well the only contender will be MacOS X, so it's just a matter of which between Leopard and Vista will be the best. You can't yet predict what the outcome will be.
By the way, they're talking about "Personal PC" (Personal Personal Computer?), so this means that other OSes for professionals and servers (Unix, Linux, ...) don't count.

#23.2 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 11 Sep 2005 - 05:26

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so this means that other OSes for professionals and servers (Unix, Linux, ...) don't count.

That's a matter of opinion. There are many linux distros targeted at beginners, that are a lot easier to run than any version of Windows (providing you don't have any funky hardware configs going on). I personally love linux, but can't use it full time as I require many apps that run on either Windows or Mac, but not linux. A 5 year plus product cycle on an operating system may keep enterprise customers happy, but for power users, it means that at the end of the cycle (see: now), people are stuck with a very dated OS. This is a problem that linux does not suffer from. I personally am looking forward to Vista very much, but I'd be far happier if developers started showing some support for linux, which just keeps getting better and better. The complaints that many people level against it are clearly outdated in the majority of cases.

#23.3 Posted by Neomac v6 on 12 Sep 2005 - 03:31

Microsoft say theirs is the "best" and Apple say theirs is the "most advanced". Of course companies are always gonna tout their own product as the superior choice. Personally I'll stick with Mac OS X.

(2 replies) #24 Posted by Quick Reply on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:25

If this is true, it seems like they are lacking direction with their products to have so many codebases, unless these are just bundles... ie: Windows Vista Home Premium Edition is branded the same as Windows Vista Home Basic Edition t othe same byte except it comes with the Codecs on a seperate CD/DVD.

#24.1 Posted by Goraq on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:38

i think there will only two codebases, one for the personal editions and another for the business editions, the extras that each version supplies will be simply additions onto the installation. update wise if the update effects the codebase then only two updates will need to be produced. feature specific update will only be reqired by those who actually need them and the vista version of windows update should (fingers crossed) sort who needs what.

#24.2 Posted by Yvo on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:54

I think not, considering thats where they just came from 4 years ago.

It is one code base, however it can be compared to the customize option in many install programs. Some versions of windows contain some modules that others don't, but two separate code bases... no way

(2 replies) #25 Posted by Dirtie on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:26

They forgot the 128-bit edition.

#25.1 Posted by Goraq on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:40

what? devs are still in fear of the 64bit bug-eyed monster, no need to introduce its bigger brother just yet

#25.2 Posted by EduardValencia on 11 Sep 2005 - 14:21

lol

(5 replies) #26 Posted by mikey on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:35

Cool,

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Windows Vista Ultimate Edition: The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro Edition... ...This version is aimed at high-end PC users and technology influencers, gamers, digital media enthusiasts, and students.

Yea, students will be able to afford the $500 price tag on it I can barely afford to live!

#26.1 Posted by IGx89 on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:43

It's not going to be even close to $500. I'd guess $300 at the max, probably more like $250 (all guesses, of course; no pricing has been announced yet).

#26.2 Posted by Kalphegor on 10 Sep 2005 - 22:58

Yeah, right!

I better switch to Linux at that time!

#26.3 Posted by denzilla on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:27

So games are going to be somewhat crippled in the standard Home Edition? Sounds like they're going to provide a second rate experience if you don't pony up for Ultimate Edition. There are too many versions.

#26.4 Posted by mugwhump on 11 Sep 2005 - 03:25

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I better switch to Linux at that time!

What? What are you whining about? You're too poor/cheap to afford XP as it is, and had someone from another forum buy you a copy of XP.

#26.5 Posted by Smigit on 11 Sep 2005 - 10:21

If microsoft is aiming this at student's then no doubt there will be an academic priced version as with every other piece of software they release that they intend or believe student will use.

example, through my uni I got Office Professional 2003 Enterprise for $115 AU ($~80 US??) Through academic prices. I was suprised it was actually labelled as the enterprise version, but the point is that Microsoft generally will offer software at a substantually reduced value to the RRP to students.

#27 Posted by Pliskin on 10 Sep 2005 - 23:30

What about the server offerings?

#28 Posted by Colin-uk on 11 Sep 2005 - 00:14

Jeez how many versions do they want

lol i can see the jokes coming from this already..

#29 Posted by g_denne on 11 Sep 2005 - 00:21

How on earth will you ever remember 7 editions when supporting Vista for clients, i.e. knowing which has what, knowing which to recommend to who etc.? Crazy.

(2 replies) #30 Posted by Ambience on 11 Sep 2005 - 00:31

So what colours are the boxes gonna be?

7 editions is ridiculous, pre-made systems are going to be loaded with Vista Starter (most likely) and consumers will end up realising that the features they wanted are missing, only to be found in one of the other 6 editions.

#30.1 Posted by _tux_ on 11 Sep 2005 - 00:44

well for one, starter wont be availible in most countries. its for the "not as rich as us" countries

#30.2 Posted by WildFire on 11 Sep 2005 - 12:50

I think they should one more colour of the rainbow to the boxes as the versions improve... Ultimate will look very pretty.

#31 Posted by DjmUK on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:05

/me awaits official Microsoft confirmation and pricing plans for both US and UK.

I'm eye'ing at the Ultimate Edition (OEM version of course)...but only time can tell.

(2 replies) #32 Posted by DrunkenMaster on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:08

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At the opposite end of the Vista versions market, we have the Ultimate Edition. This, according to reports, will be unlike any other Microsoft product out today. As well as combining the best features from the other six Vista flavours

Since the best feature of the Starter edition is to run only 3 programs at once and the Ultimate Edition combines all the best features of the other editions, this means that the Ultimate Edition will only be able to run 3 programs at once! :p :p I can't wait!

#32.1 Posted by zORYn on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:47

good point there

#32.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 11 Sep 2005 - 14:48

Combining.... Which means something + something

3 programs + running more than 3 at once......
Plus the best of Starter edition would be its price so....
Yep I just ruined your joke

#33 Posted by Jugalator on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:09

Wow, that's a lot of editions... Feels even like too many. I imagine quite a few will be confused anyway.

Three editions for home users, three editions for businesses, and then the upcoming server editions.

Wow.

If it was about giving choice, they would've merged a lot of those into one and made a module based install, but this seems to be about confusing people to think "ahh, I'll just get the Ultimate (= most expensive) edition".

(5 replies) #34 Posted by Michael Lerner on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:13

That's it for me, next year i'm getting a Mac.

#34.1 Posted by PCyr on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:47

Because of the number of SKUs?

#34.2 Posted by Ideas Man on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:42

Mac users can't decide between a left and right mouse button, so this should confuse them

#34.3 Posted by Chicane-UK on 11 Sep 2005 - 12:01

Ideas Man - I think you need a change of name, because judging on your last comment, you clearly haven't got a single freaking idea running through your head.

Apple sell a multibutton mouse, and most OS X users plug in an aftermarket multibutton mouse anyway - sheesh, if you're gonna troll, at troll on something you have half a clue on.

#34.4 Posted by rIaHc3 on 11 Sep 2005 - 14:51

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Mac users can't decide between a left and right mouse button, so this should confuse them

Dont know the reason why but that made me laugh

#34.5 Posted by SMeK on 12 Sep 2005 - 12:46

easy Chicane-UK

its just a common joke

#35 Posted by willvg on 11 Sep 2005 - 01:50

Hmm Vista ultimate or Vista Home Premium, both sound great for gamming and tablet pc functions

(1 reply) #36 Posted by manwohat on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:07

Isn't the average consumer going to be confused by all those choices?

#36.1 Posted by Ideas Man on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:42

No, because in reality, the pro and enterprise editions most probably won't be on the shelves everywhere because they are targeted at businesses, they may go through different channels, enterprise in particular.

#37 Posted by Sp3ctranova on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:14

they should call Ultimate edition Uber edition

(1 reply) #38 Posted by Liandros on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:22

i dont see the point in 6 different versions. i mean the starter edition is not even needed. 3 apps running at one time! that is ****in rediculous. no one is going to buy it. the ultimate edition is not going to be the best os made. it is still going to be 2nd compared to osx.

#38.1 Posted by rIaHc3 on 11 Sep 2005 - 14:52

That edition is for countries/people that are poor and/or have old PCs.

#39 Posted by Adnan248999 on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:37

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they should call Ultimate edition Uber edition

Don't you mean: Super 1337!!111 UL+|MAT3 UB3R SP33D H4X Edition?

#40 Posted by Mike Frett on 11 Sep 2005 - 02:45

I think I'll just wait this one out. I don't really play games anymore and have no need for a media center and I do no networking...I just play guitar.

Suppose XP will be alright for now. Unless a game com