Windows Vista Build 5219 Unveiled at PDC Today

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Thanks to WinMonkey for the heads up

According to sources at pre-PDC sessions Microsoft will release build 5219 to attendees tomorrow.

5219.winmain_idx02.050824-2010 is the build tag so the build is a couple of weeks old.

Screenshot: >> Click here << (May be down)

Screenshot: >> Click here Mirror #2 << (Bandwidth Limit Exceeded)

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(2 replies) #1 BlueFighter on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:22

Sounds interesting

#1.1 sphbecker on 12 Sep 2005 - 20:56

Yes it does! Nice to see the sidebar is back. I was getting worried that there would not be a good widget platform.

#1.2 McDuck on 12 Sep 2005 - 22:43

New Mirror:

http://www.win-vista.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=62&mode=&order=0&thold=0

With permission from makers of these screenshots / videos.

No bandwidth limit

#2 limok on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:25

sa weeeet

#3 HoochieMamma on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:25

Hmmm excellent :shifty:

(2 replies) #4 NemesisNG on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:26

Any definate confirmation that the sidebar is back in this build yet?

#4.1 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:21

sidebar is around, new task switcher, and glass taskbar

#4.2 NemesisNG on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:41

Cool, thanks for that.

Sounds like they are possibly reintroducing some of the items they were playing with in earlier appha builds then, like the 3d task switcher.

#5 Ricardo Clérigo on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:26

cool =)

(1 reply) #6 tktino on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:26

i am waiting to see that sidebar and some new theme. i hate the glass "black theme" gives me a headack

#6.1 Samoa on 13 Sep 2005 - 05:28

you should be able to do the Windows "classic" theme easily...

#7 fdezjose on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:27

Let the fun begin again!

(1 reply) #8 Nashy on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:27

Meh. They wouldn't have changed that much surely

#8.1 threedaysdwn on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:10

Hahaha. That was funny.

#9 psychoticpickle on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:28

Is it out for beta testers to download yet?

#10 chrischua83 on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:42

<snipped> No need to start trolling

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#11 DJ Prem on 12 Sep 2005 - 10:46

#12 jasondefaoite on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:02

Nothing on MSDN yet

(1 reply) #13 Jugalator on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:06

So, the moment of truth... Will the beta 2 branch seem to shape up to look and work much different than beta 1? I've heard a lot say "it's just the first beta, just wait for beta 2!", "remember Whistler!" etc when posting remarks of its features. We'll see how it turns out... Makes one curious, but I'm personally afraid Vista will look basically like this in RTM. :-/ Of course, a sidebar may be in here, but that's hardly anything unique by now, and I also disliked how much space it consumed.

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#13.1 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:21

it's still a pre-beta 2 build, they said not all features or items will be in the build until it is a final beta 2 build. So don't expect everything to be right yet or there until you see the official beta 2 sign off.

(1 reply) #14 Mengha on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:14

Anyone know what's different in this build yet?

#14.1 travisowens on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:36

As neufuse said...

"sidebar is around, new task switcher, and glass taskbar"

(2 replies) #15 AquaDex on 12 Sep 2005 - 11:19

#15.1 MNS on 12 Sep 2005 - 12:41

The Fonz: "Heeeeeey!"

#15.2 Lexcyn on 12 Sep 2005 - 12:48

LOL Embrace Microsoft!

I hope this new build is more stable and includes a wider range of drivers.

#16 mr_demilord on 12 Sep 2005 - 12:20

#17 Syphonic on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:02

Can someone mirror the images?

#18 Matt500 on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:06

I dont think im gonna want this build from the screen shots, I got tired of the beta 1 of vista quite quick.

#19 i like chips on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:07

well, the screenshot link is getting hammered. no surprise there

#20 LovingU on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:12

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=371052

#21 CloudyBay on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:13

There are some interesting things in this build...we'll fill you in in full later...possibly even let you try it out...

#22 Hurmoth on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:17

Wonder when this will be released to beta testers

(5 replies) #23 SkyyPunk on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:23

so do us normal beta testers get this? (ms connect)

#23.1 FlishFun on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:27

I sure hope so...

#23.2 Hurmoth on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:51

We better, or there's going to be some angry beta testers

#23.3 ThunderRiver on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:41

I hope they will release it too..
However, I have doubts that they will do that this time. Unless you are in JDP or MVP, I doubt they will relase the PDC build to beta testers. The reason is that PDC build may not have significant number of new features (aside from Sidebar.. and the name Ultimate Edition), and we beta testers may actually receive later builds that PDC attendees won't have

I can just imagine Microsoft Connect gets really hammered this time around as well (same as when Beta 1 was released)

#23.4 Hurmoth on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:40

What about MSDN Subscribers? Would they get the PDC Build?

#23.5 sphbecker on 12 Sep 2005 - 20:53

My guess is that most of us will have to wait until Beta 2; which is too bad because beta 1 was really pretty dull. The only reason I would expect MSDN users to get it is if this build had significant updates to WinFX. If not, then software writers (which is what MSDN is for) can use Beta 1 just as well as this build.

#24 Lee McDermott on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:23

Link''s getting mega-hammered.. any mirrors?

(2 replies) #25 Dane on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:26

Pictures! http://blog.uxevolutions.com/pdc05/entries/16 OMG

It shows up as Beta2....

#25.1 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:30

but its not beta 2...

MS changes the names after the last major build is put out... this is pre-beta 2.. they did the same thing with Visual Studio 2005, it said beta 2 months before beta 2 ever came out officialy

#25.2 threedaysdwn on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:12

It's part of the beta 2 branch (although as usual they forked it off a while back to polish it up for the PDC), so it has some beta 2 features but not all.

#26 WinMonKey on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:27

There are screenshots and videos on the link, the videos are not that clear, but we didn't wanna wait to recompress mpeg2. I know nobody else has this build yet, so anyone claiming to, is doing just that

. Everyone will recieve it on Tuesday, when the real conference begins. It allready looks like PDC is gonna be alot of fun!

(1 reply) #27 CloudyBay on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:29

QUOTE

According to sources at pre-PDC sessions Microsoft will release build 5219 to attendees tomorrow.

5219.winmain_idx02.050824-2010 is the build tag so the build is a couple of weeks old.

Interesting... well, kind of...seems I have a build that was compiled with same tag for build number except the date...my build is a week newer than that one...

Maybe we should post a screenie or three...there are so many haters though that claim our screenies are fakes even though we never fake em...hmmm...what to do?

#27.1 threedaysdwn on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:31

IDW 050830 should be the PDC build, unless something changed at the last minute.

#28 nomis_nehc on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:44

suuure.

#29 SeBsZ on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:53

Everything is getting hammered, I can't access 3 quarters of the pictures and I am unable to download any of the movies... if anyone can mirror that would be great...

(4 replies) #30 Mad_Griffith on 12 Sep 2005 - 13:56

Argh!

THOSE UGLY 8 BIT WIN9X/WINME/WINNT/WINXP ICONS!!!

I cannot stand 'em anymore

#30.1 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:23

windows xp is 32bit icons

#30.2 Sticktron on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:46

Maybe he was referring to the many leftover icons still in place in XP.
MS has said (I believe) that they were going to update ALL the icons this time around.

#30.3 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:00

yes, they are, every one of them that is visible in any app, non-visible (legacy) icons wont be that are still compiled in apps but not used..

#30.4 thenetavenger on 13 Sep 2005 - 00:11

Considering that icons will be vector based (as the folders already are), with also support for quite large rasterized icon formats, I don't think the 'old' icons will still be around.

#31 xavier114fch on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:05

It's still in beta and the interface is still in flux.

#32 DigitalDJ on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:10

http://digitaldj.net/pdc05/

I downloaded all the pictures and movies, edited the page and mirrored it.

Enjoy!

(Slow/Close and Alt-Tab Effect movies are still uploading, give it about 10 mins to complete)

Edit: all of it has uploaded, should all work now

Last edited by 319 on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:15

#33 Julius Caro on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:17

The sidebar is back!!!

#34 DevilsRejection on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:18

damn you digitaldj i was in the process of mirroring as well!

oh well you connection seems to be enough to handle the traffic just fine

(2 replies) #35 haisdeaks on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:23

hmm... still doesnt really make me rejoice about the sidebar being back from the dead. it can go back to the grave until ms give a good use for it...

#35.1 threedaysdwn on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:14

Just watch tomorrow =D

#35.2 haisdeaks on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:46

true true...

#36 DevilsRejection on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:23

ok dammit i want some office 12 UI shots now!

#37 mattisking on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:24

I dunno. I want to be excited but I think for the first time since the original betas of Windows 95 I've finally begun to lose interest. Longho... Vista, is just more "pretty" on top of more or less the same old thing. As a developer I'm moderately interested in some of the graphical benefits but I think it far more likely that we simply end up with a lot more applications that are very badly written with tremendous interfaces OR very excellent applications that are largely ignored because they don't go with the eye candy.

I wish Microsoft would make good on it's promises of the past to truly revolutionize the desktop and so far, this is just more polish on an already good OS, XP.

(2 replies) #38 Nielsvdw on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:28

A LOT changed under the hood, especially for you as developer... you should know by now

#38.1 Jugalator on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:31

Was anything online released for this? "Upcoming news in beta 2" docs?
I'm a developer, so I'm quite interested.

"you should know by now" -- only if you're THERE, I guess

#38.2 mattisking on 12 Sep 2005 - 20:23

Yes, I understand the underpinning differences, the new graphics system, the supposed WinFS. There really is alot in there. But more than anything else, ... it's just not really all that much of a mind-blowing update.... and it should be after this many years.

There are so many areas of the desktop that need massive improvement. Microsoft is supposed to be the leader and they simply aren't doing it.... not quickly enough. I'm just not impressed by what kinds of things this new OS brings to the table. Windows 95 was an evolutionary step... so was NT/2000/XP (XP finally brought it to the masses). Since then, however, it's like Microsoft has lost focus.

XP was a wonderful improvement over 9x but it didn't exactly innovate. Still, it did enough and did it well to be worth the upgrade many times over. Longhorn, however, is just further refinement of the existing experience which is still so far short of where it should be. It's past time to bring new interfaces into everyday use. It's way past time for true voice support, for easier interaction...

#39 Jugalator on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:29

Hm, time to put up a trackerless torrent I guess.

(for the hammered screens, don't imagine anything else, rofl!)

#40 Ricardo Clérigo on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:32

Again... on the UI... we better see some more interesting screenshots at the PDC...

I mean... that photo application isn't nowhere near what we saw the research team had.

MAKE IT STUNNING... not just good enough...

#41 ThunderRiver on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:37

So it is true...

It is "Windows Vista Ultimate Edition"

I can imagine they came up with the idea "Winddows Vista SuperMan Edition" too..

(3 replies) #42 dduardo on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:40

Those screenshots remind me of KDE:

KDE 3.4 Screenshot

#42.1 dhan on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:16

I think ugliness is the only similarity with pre-beta2

#42.2 Jugalator on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:33

Ahh, but KDE Plasma (KDE 4 Desktop Shell) is what's supposed to compare better with those next-gen desktops.

#42.3 thenetavenger on 13 Sep 2005 - 00:23

Wishful thinking.. The plasma project for KDE would be better compared to OSX's graphics and Presentation system.

Vista's presentation is only the top piece of a new exciting Graphical and 3D accelerated OS Windowing interface. Neither of which OSX or KDE Plasma support. Try drawing a 3d Button with a picture on one side, text on another, have it lighted in the Window in 3d spaces as if it were a scene, now apply a background texture with swirling fog behind the button, and then make the button spin on it's center, and then change your camera view so it flys around the button in this 3D space. This is what Vista is capable of - and this is a just a few lines of code to make this happen for application developers.

Just because Microsoft hasn't started taking the wrapping paper off the 'secret UI elements that use this technology, don't for a second think it does not exist'.

Not only will the Windows UI be pretty cool no matter what direction Microsoft takes, but the possiblity for application developers is outstanding. We can do illustrator and better than flash quality visuals not only in our application, but it will be our applications.

KDE plasma is kewl and all, and OSX is kewl as well, but people that keep comparing them to the 3D Presentation layer or XPS system in Vista really just don't understand how far Microsoft is leapfrogging the current technologies.

In laymans terms, they are giving developers the ability to create application content that can be nearly as rich as a 3D game, with full acceleration, but by only writing a few lines of XAML code to do so. This is even bigger that the visual development concept of the early 90s, where developers could drop a button on a form and assign an event to it, instead of working only in code - and that alone create millions of part time programmers that have produced some really good and quick and simple applications. Just wait until they can create a Application like this in 3D space with advanced graphic techniques and transistions. Wow....

(1 reply) #43 bryce_56 on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:51

I have 2 questions and maybe I am jumping the gun since PDC just started. 1) Has MS disclosed when beta 2 will be available? 2) Has there been any mention or screen shots of Office 12 yet?

#43.1 SeBsZ on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:05

1) yes
2) don't think so

#44 xxdesmus on 12 Sep 2005 - 14:59

i'd love to get the PDC wall

(4 replies) #45 hotdog963al on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:10

OMGOMGOMG!!!
IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS BETA1!!!
:/

#45.1 SeBsZ on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:12

1) This isn't even BETA2 yet
2) It is not exactly the same as BETA1

#45.2 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:39

that's because its not beta 2 yet and not everything is done yet.. so move along

#45.3 Blackice on 12 Sep 2005 - 16:31

yea... and you can tell that all from a handfull of screenshots...

#45.4 thenetavenger on 13 Sep 2005 - 00:26

Well if you have actually used the beta, you should be able to spot about 20 major changes in just the screenshots alone. Besides this in an interm build from a few weeks ago, and in no way puports to even be close to Beta 2 - it is a developer release - most of the stuff in it is architecture - stuff you won't see, but developers can start working with.

(2 replies) #46 PureLogic on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:20

All that transparency is making me dizzy, especially with many windows open at the same time.

#46.1 kaffra on 12 Sep 2005 - 17:31

glad im not alone.

#46.2 thenetavenger on 13 Sep 2005 - 00:30

All that transparency is making me dizzy, especially with many windows open at the same time

Lol... We shall keep you away from the shiny objects in the future then.

The Transparency in the 'functional' version of Aero Glass (which I hear is not how it will be in final anyway) really isn't bad, as the transparency is subtle, because it also blurs behind the transparency, so text and other times behind the transparent windows are kind of there, but not annoyingly jumping out at you making your foreground application blend into the stuff on the back of the screen.

Besides, the Glass can easily be turned off, no transparency...

(13 replies) #47 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:29

What's new and changed

* Sidebar is back
* Outlook express how has an RSS reader integrated
* Outlook express showing more of the visual overhaul
* glass taskbar
* previews of applications on taskbar
* 3D task switcher and 3D Carosel type task switcher
* Picture editor
* Photo album
* Movie Maker 3 with DVD authoring
* .NET 2.0 framework
* System restore wizards
* System backup wizards
* Software version of windows update (now does updates like OSX)
* Pictures have a border around them in thumbnail view
* Popup extended preview on items in explorer (biger thumbs)
* Expanded driver support
* Performance fixes
* Bigger LDDM Driver support
* IE's CSS support has been expanded since beta 1
* PNG support for Icons (icons are all in PNG format now in a packadge called .ICO)
* Windows Media Player 11 (not included yet, but bits and pieces of it are in this build)

#47.1 neufuse on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:35

yeah, it RTM's in october, Final is to be released Nov 7th

(why in the world did this go ontop of the one i replied to)

#47.2 Jugalator on 12 Sep 2005 - 15:36

Hmm, isn't it starting to get about time for MS to go final with the .NET 2.0 Framework btw?

(I assume that build is still not final?)

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