Microsoft Demo's Post Beta 1 Vista Build - PDC 05
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#1 Posted by amrinders87 on 13 Sep 2005 - 16:35
- Nice featuers they are showing. Watching the keynote.
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#2 Posted by DJ Prem on 13 Sep 2005 - 16:36
- Excellent
*Rubs hands with glee*
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#3 Posted by lil_psc on 13 Sep 2005 - 16:46
- the IE 7 quick tab is looking good (imho > firefox's!!) and im an firefox fan boy
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#3.1 Posted by Spacedog on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:35
- Yes, they're looking good, but they're suspiciously very similar (very, very, very similar) to what Omniweb has had for an year now: (screenshot)
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#3.2 Posted by Jeremy1 on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:05
- I think it's a stretch to even just call it similar, let alone "very very very similar." It's not even laid out in the same way.
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#3.3 Posted by vlsi0n on 13 Sep 2005 - 23:57
- to the firefox fanboi, you might not want to be that open about liking something in ie... they could dismember you out of their super cool club.
and i dont see the similaritys from the products seen above.. fanboizm at its best -
#3.4 Posted by jp10558 on 14 Sep 2005 - 05:36
- I like that implementation much better than the Omniweb idea where you have to have this huge side panel open all the time, but how well does it work if you have 10 or 50 tabs open vs 6? I mean, 6 tabs is minimum for me.
If all I get is a HUGE webpage that I have to scroll through forever, it's no big benefit over what we have now in any tabbed browser, cause it's not actually speeding me up.
Actually, while it looks cool, I still have yet to actually see a benefit to having thumbnails for selection - either in a browser or in windows. Alt - Tab is useful with the program icons + titlebar (as 5 open Opera windows or Word windows will likely *look* similar to the point that quick differentiation happens with the title text - same with 4 neowin tabs...).
I know it's flashy and cool, but has anyone else compared whether they find it (in omniweb or with an extension or whatever) actually lets them zero in faster on a page compared to the more traditional favicon + title text?
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#4 Posted by Colin-uk on 13 Sep 2005 - 16:52
- solitare looks nice
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#4.1 Posted by genericism on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:07
- yeah, about time it (and the others) got an upgrade
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#5 Posted by [idkfa] on 13 Sep 2005 - 16:55
- Cool, included chess
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#6 Posted by Louis on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:01
- Yummy Stuff
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#7 Posted by Zolk on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:02
- Hmm… Vista looks good but a lot of stuff is already in OS X Tiger. Search, Virtual Folders, "Gadgets", Parental Controls, etc. And personally I prefer Expose to the new Alt+Tab in Vista. Expose lets you see the entire window and immediately click to the one you want instead of having to cycle through.
However, I do like the category view in Explorer. The phishing work and quick tabs in IE7 is great. That combined with better standards support is going to make IE useful again. -
#7.1 Posted by sphbecker on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:14
- Yes, Apple's strong suite is time to market, they get stuff out the door faster. People frequently say that Microsoft copies Apple, but in many cases it is actually the other way around. All of these features where detailed between 2002 and 2003 by Microsoft. At that time Apple was still busy working on 10.3 (10.2 was still the latest and greatest). Apple noticed that MS had some good ideas and tried to get to market first, and succeeded.
As for 3D tabbing vs Expose, Vista will actually have both. Expose is basically a cool way to switch between apps. Vista will have a way to fit all Windows on the screen at the same time (much like Expose), but you will actually be able to use them in that smaller state.
I'm not trying to sound like a Microsoft fan-boy. In fact I really like a lot of what Apple has done and will readily admit that MS has copied Apple's look and feel a number of times. I just get a little tried of people claiming that Vista is just a Tiger copy-cat when nothing could be further from the truth. -
#7.3 Posted by MaxMonster on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:55
- I have to agee with sphbecker. BTW - so what if these features are already in another OS? the world over will now be introduced to them.
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#8 Posted by HalfLing on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:03
- Sidebar support for all devs out of box...major +
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#8.1 Posted by hotdog963al on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:11
- Or you could just download a 3rd party Sidebar if it isn't
Which would probably be better anyway.
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#8.2 Posted by sphbecker on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:15
- Perhaps at this point, but once Vista gets a lot of market share it will be nice knowing you can just download and run side-bar plug-ins.
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#8.3 Posted by MaxMonster on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:59
QUOTE Or you could just download a 3rd party Sidebar if it isn't
Which would probably be better anyway.
eh? Most third party apps of this nature I've seen are memory hogs. The sidebar intergrated into the OS, written for the new OS will be much better.
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#9 Posted by hotdog963al on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:10
- This is a joke right??
Seriously... Solitare!?!
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#9.1 Posted by mugwhump on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:21
- Are you planning on posting anything remotely intelligent at all today?
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#9.2 Posted by hotdog963al on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:25
- STOP WHINING ABOUT EVERYTHING!
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#9.3 Posted by SMeK on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:29
- You could both do with posting about the topic and not about each other please.
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#9.4 Posted by mugwhump on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:04
- Well, I'm sorry, but I'm just getting sick of seeing these annoying little apple sheep bleeting in every thread about MS or Vista. It's just getting old.
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#9.5 Posted by Miran on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:34
- I'm not really sure how you determined that hotdog is an "apple sheep"...
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#9.6 Posted by SMeK on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:53
- I dont see any apple related comments. His comment was about the topic, if all be it vague yours was not mugwhump.
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#9.7 Posted by MaxMonster on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:02
QUOTE On a positive note: Good to see microsoft finally putting effects in their Operating system.
I think it's a shame MS is putting these gimmicks into their OS. They do not serve any purpose other than eye candy - with the expection of a few. Speaking of apple since someone added them to a Vista thread (thypical) it didn't work for them did it!!!!
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#10 Posted by Matt on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:16
- about time microsoft includes chess.
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#10.1 Posted by Ravensworth on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:48
- How does everyone know Microsoft is including Chess? There are a lot of games in that screenshot; I'm pretty sure Vista won't come with Vice City though.
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#10.2 Posted by roadwarrior on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:05
- The commercial games seem to use the box cover as an icon, Microsoft's games use a more generic icon. Chess appears to be in the second category.
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#10.3 Posted by neufuse on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:12
- how? because today at the conference they said they'd be including chess and a couple other new games
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#10.4 Posted by Ravensworth on 13 Sep 2005 - 22:19
- Thanks roadwarrior
Neufuse, that's why I asked. I wasn't at the conference. It was an honest question, but if you want to be a jerk about it then the same to you.
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#11 Posted by xp1ode on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:17
- that quick tabbing looks really cool, i like the way they integrated that and the 3d windows switching. Also the whole thumbnails on the taskbar when you hover with the mouse.
Office 12 looks really awesome too, the whole redesign of the UI with the tabs, how they seamelessly "flow" like is just great. -
#11.1 Posted by MaxMonster on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:05
- Agreed 100%. Very nice 3d idea. I installed an addon app some time ago that added that to XP - it was a memory hog and lagged a bit on my slower system. I wonder if this will not be the case with indexing or just streamlined code.
Interesting to say the least.
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#12 Posted by klevo on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:21
- things are shaping really well. I am even more excited than when I was trying Beta 1.
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#12.1 Posted by sphbecker on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:25
- Yes, beta 1 was pretty dull. I ran it on an older laptop and didn't get the Areo Glass; I really don't feel that I missed anything. When I get Beta 2 I'm going to try hard to get it installed on a computer with enough power to show off the new visual effects.
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#12.2 Posted by Jugalator on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:59
QUOTE Yes, beta 1 was pretty dull. I ran it on an older laptop and didn't get the Areo Glass; I really don't feel that I missed anything. When I get Beta 2 I'm going to try hard to get it installed on a computer with enough power to show off the new visual effects.
Hehe, so how good the product is depend on Glass effects?
I see Microsoft marketing strategy is working
Not saying it's a disadvantage to have it, it's hopefully ending up being a refreshing update, but isn't it the overall performance and features that matter, and not e.g. the windows minimize effect?-
#12.3 Posted by sphbecker on 13 Sep 2005 - 22:42
- Oh yes I agree. I am looking forward to seeing what eye candy Microsoft puts out, but I am even more excited to see some of the incomplete features in Beta 1 actually working! Replication and Sync manager are the two biggest features I am looking forward to and I can't wait to see them in action.
I think the talk about eye candy is just because that is the easiest thing to get excited about when viewing screen shoots.
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#13 Posted by hjimmy on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:23
- To me Vista still seems like major rework on eye candies only... it's not like I don't like it but they should be more seriously about re-writing the OS (like OS X) and some *new functionalities...
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#13.1 Posted by Ravensworth on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:50
- I'm not trying to sound rude, but you don't know what you are talking about. You can't look at some screenshots and know anything about what is new under the hood. There are a LOT of new functionalities in Vista.
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#13.2 Posted by dagamer34 on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:46
- True, the most important changes Vista needs to make from XP aren't the ones your are going to readily see.
The most important thing people complain about with Windows XP is simply security. Everything else is really just secondary as we are living without it now. Windows XP was NOT built for security as that is as plain as day for anyone who uses the OS. But Vista might change all of that.
The one thing that Vista really needs to do that makes Windows XP security a joke is to not let people with Windows 2000 get into Vista based systems. That problem is so bad that it isn't a security hole, but instead the other way around: a meager attempt to block something that can easily be done by your average 13 year old. -
#13.3 Posted by sphbecker on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:55
- Vista is a MAJOR platform improvement (even more so then Windows 2000). This new eye candy is a perfect example. It was only a month ago that Vista looked like crap, now with very little effort MS was able to add some really nice looking effects. Why was it so easy? Because of all the work they did on the platform (Avalon and WinFX) to make graphics design easier. Graphics is only one of a number of major development improvements made to the platform. With Vista it will be very easy to make much more impressive applications.
As for the user, there are a number of new features, but I would expect the wow effect to really kick in with the next minor release of Windows. When you look back, Windows 2000 was an impressive upgrade, but didn't have much zam-bam for home users; when MS released the minor upgrade (Windows XP) it was basically the same platform, but they used that platform to make better end-user tools. I expect that the release of Windows after Vista will have a lot more end-user stuff with uses the major platform improvements of Vista. Not to say Vista will not be impressive, but MS is still trying to nail down the platform, once that is done, the new stronger platform will allow them (and 3rd parties) to build much more power tools. -
#13.4 Posted by Jugalator on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:54
QUOTE it's not like I don't like it but they should be more seriously about re-writing the OS
Ehh.. So redesigning the Windows API from scratch in .NET to create WinFX isn't enough for you in that regard?
Can you be more specific about features you like to see?
Vista is going to have a lot of new stuff in it, just check the feature list here:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvi...review_2005.asp
The reason you're just nagging about the UI is probably because that's all you see right now, so that's all you can nag about.-
#13.5 Posted by MaxMonster on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:07
- Is it just me or do comments like hjimmys comment make your left eye twitch?
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#14 Posted by GatorV on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:34
- The Quick Tabs on IE7 looks great, maybe they will find a better solution to integrate them because right now it looks very Alpha to me , but it's nice Microsoft are getting tabs and improving them.
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#15 Posted by cjb1118 on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:36
- Thanks for these.
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#16 Posted by Ravensworth on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:44
- They are still going with Minesweeper? That's from the Windows 3.1 era and there were much better games at the time. Isn't everyone sick of that game yet; why not bring back Reversi at least?
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#16.1 Posted by SeBsZ on 13 Sep 2005 - 17:57
- Why not? Lots of people play minesweeper, so I think it is great that it received a makeover. (Though I'd like to see a makeover of Paint as well)
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#16.2 Posted by fergiej on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:26
- Or downhill Skier! Left right, left right, oops went too far, snowman ate me...
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#16.3 Posted by laz on 13 Sep 2005 - 22:11
- Jump the rainbow ramps! TREEEEE!!
Those were the days....
99% of the people I know will play minesweeper (or solitaire) when they're bored on the computer (not even surf the internet!) -
#16.4 Posted by TRC on 14 Sep 2005 - 00:34
- I guess it's just me then; I played it on Windows 3.1 a lot but got tired of it before 95 even came out. I've always thought with all of Microsoft's resources they could come up with some new games, instead of the ancient ones they always include. Actually don't they own dozens of games from the old entertainment packs? Why not include some of those. An updated Ski Free would be fun, and I always like Jezzball.
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#17 Posted by SyntheticDarkness on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:16
- Oh man Ill say it again, thats look damn sexy! Default XP look sucks but this i might just keep for a while..
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#18 Posted by Tommy2k4 on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:21
QUOTE Phising was briefly demo'd
typo
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#19 Posted by threedaysdwn on 13 Sep 2005 - 18:24
- Hmm, MSDN subscriber downloads is "undergoing maintenance"
Interesting...
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#20 Posted by SeBsZ on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:10
- Amazing... They're all getting lots of DVDs woot
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#21 Posted by depakote on 13 Sep 2005 - 19:37
- I am part of the development team of the actual core of Windows Codename Longhorn/Vista project, so far we have been working very hard on one front: the internet. Sure, we have a smaller group of developers which do work tirelessly on making our new product look good, but most of our manpower is devoted to server/internet stuff. In the very moment I am speaking there is a privately held conference in the PDC about whether XP will come packed with a new WYSIWYG replacement for Notepad/Wordpad which support tables/divs and the xhtml standard. Microsoft is curious on what the reaction of people is going to be to this. I'm not sure how my comment will be taken (probably in disbeleif, most of neowin is young teenagers) but there are actually some Microsoft employees (beside myself) which do visit this site. Keep up the good work neowin.
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#21.1 Posted by toadeater on 13 Sep 2005 - 21:36
QUOTE (probably in disbeleif, most of neowin is young teenagers)
So what are you doing here?-
#21.2 Posted by sphbecker on 13 Sep 2005 - 22:53
- Not sure if you are for real or not, but I'll go ahead and reply. I do think that Notepad and WordPad need to be replaced with a single solution. My vote would be for a basic HTML based editor that was also capable of opening simple Word files. I think it is important to remember that few people would actually use the tool for an actual word processor, but instead for scripting, viewing readme files and as a light-weight html editor (if it supported that). So in other words, don’t spend too much time on it.
The one text oriented feature I would really like to see is a system spell checker which could do spell checking for IE, Notepad, Instant Messengers and any other app which does not have its own spell-check. That is the one feature that makes me say "I really wish Windows had this" whenever I use a Mac. -
#21.3 Posted by TRC on 14 Sep 2005 - 00:39
- The only thing that would improve notepad would be to improve loading of larger files, instead of seeing it freeze up and say not responding. Other than that issue I love the simplicity. I've always hated Wordpad though.
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#21.4 Posted by brianshapiro on 14 Sep 2005 - 03:11
- a good Search and Replace feature in Notepad would be good. i always have to open Wordpad or Word for that, where I dont think it shold be necessary.
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#22 Posted by jim87654 on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:15
- Where can I get the videos for all of this?
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#23 Posted by jeavis on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:53
- The quick tabs look really cool. Anything plugin like this for Firefox?
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#24 Posted by NewXStar on 13 Sep 2005 - 20:55
- Microsoft Demo's Post Beta 1 Vista Build - PDC 05
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#25 Posted by iconboy on 13 Sep 2005 - 21:13
- stupid question... has anyone seen videos of these effects in action? like i saw the picture of the window resizing, but i would love to see a full video of it!
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#26 Posted by Chris_UK on 13 Sep 2005 - 23:04
- Stupid question, do you get all those games with Windows Vista?
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#27 Posted by Tai on 14 Sep 2005 - 00:19
- IE 7 looks neat - hope someone does a skin like that for firefox
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#28 Posted by jasondefaoite on 14 Sep 2005 - 01:59
- Looking at the PDC stream, Office 12 and Vista are beginning to look pretty damn good (feature wise and GUI). Bring on beta 2!
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#29 Posted by a_witko on 14 Sep 2005 - 07:36
- you MUST BE KIDDING...
vista is looking like a brush up on XP like XP was of 98...
98-to-XP: Colored taskbar, WOOT (sarcasm)
XP-to-Vista: Gradient Minesweeper! and a background to solitaire... WOOT WOOT! (again, sarcasm).
incorporation of already existing features such as gadget support (konfabulator) and tabbed browsing (firefo
is NOT my idea of a huge OS upgrade.
where is the innovation... make the solitaire 3D - as though its on a REAL green velvet table or summin. make minesweeper amazing... INNOVATE on the tab browsing and take it a step further... (those quick tabs have been done).
if beta2's aero doesnt blow me off my feet with unbelievable OS animations and looks, consider me an XP-Oldtimer.
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#29.1 Posted by Daedalus on 14 Sep 2005 - 08:29
- I don't think 3D Solitaire would really be a major selling point of an OS...
I think you need to do some more research into the features of Vista.
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#30 Posted by a_witko on 14 Sep 2005 - 07:38
- i can design a better interface on my own. and im not joking.
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#31 Posted by SMeK on 14 Sep 2005 - 11:37
- Everyones a critic. I didn't think minesweeper or solitaire needed to be upgraded, but they have been so microsoft are showing you this. Also the games preview looks quite nice, altho im quite happy with just clicking the link on my desktop and have never really found a use for having games/music laid out in such a manner.
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#32 Posted by Hanif on 14 Sep 2005 - 20:10
- I really hope they change the start menu - I don't like it!
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#33 Posted by jeavis on 14 Sep 2005 - 22:53
- This will be similar to the 98 -> ME crap. Just a bug filled OS that will be replaced with a real improvement in a year.
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#34 Posted by TC17 on 15 Sep 2005 - 02:27
- I don't know why Microsoft uses such tiny fonts for the file explorer. They need to enlarge its fonts, they have plenty of room.
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#35 Posted by LanMan874 on 15 Sep 2005 - 13:39
QUOTE Windows Vista Beta 2
November 2005 (could slip to early 2006). Public availability. Microsoft is looking into delivering weekly builds to the public after Beta 2.
Im sure this doesn't mean a beta opening to anyone. Probably like any other MS beta rite? I mean by "Public" could it mean non MSDN & TechNet subscriber will also be able to beta test?
*wishes he gets onto beta for beta 2*
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Bill Gates described his vision for the future. Clarity and data everywhere is the main focus of Microsoft's future operating system.
The search functionalities were demo'd briefly although nothing new was shown. The alt tabbing in 3D is back using Windows Key + Space bar a user can tile their applications to make the experience clearer and easier to find windows. The sidebar will ship with Vista which was confirmed during the keynote.
The sidebar now contains "gadgets" like an RSS web feed gadget, picture slideshow gadget, clock gadget, WMP gadget and so on. The gadget gallery allows users to plug-in their own applications or 3rd party applications. Gadgets can be coded in DHTML/script or Avalon allowing developers to build rich mini applications straight into the sidebar.
The parental control platform will allow users to control all applications. Developers can plug into the control platform and browsers, instant messaging and games etc can all be controlled and restricted.
Phishing was briefly demo'd within IE7 but the most impressive demo was a new feature of IE7 tabbed browsing. Quick tabbing allows users can now display all tabs in a nice subset tiled into one window. Similar to the thumbnail alt tabbing in current vista builds.
Windows Vista Starter Edition
- Only sold in emerging markets
- Very feature limited
- Only 3 simultaneous applications running
Windows Vista Home Basic Edition- Equivalent to XP Home
- Includes firewall, parental controls, Security Center, Movie Maker, Photo Library and more
- For first time buyer / budget conscious
Windows Vista Home Premium Edition- Everything from Vista Home Basic
- Adds DVD video authoring, HDTV support, DVD ripping support
- Similar to current XP Media Center edition but with added features
Windows Vista Professional Edition- Aimed at the business consumer
- Can join domain, has IIS web server
- Akin to XP Pro
Windows Vista Small Business Edition- Designed for small businesses without IT staff
- Backup and Shadow Copy support, Castle and server-join networking, and PC fax and scanning utility
- Pre-paid access to the Windows Live! Small Business or Microsoft Office Live! subscription services
Windows Vista Enterprise Edition- Optimized for the enterprise
- Ships with Virtual PC & the multi-language user interface (MUI)
- Aimed at business decision makers, IT managers and decision makers, and information workers/general business users.
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition