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Authors sue Google

malebolgia   on 21 September 2005 - 16:54 · 18 comments & 2552 views

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The Authors Guild, along with a former US poet laureate, is suing Google for copyright infringement. Google operates two programs intended to incorporate print material into its search index, one of which, the Google Print for Libraries program, is targeted by the suit.

Google has been scanning the collections at five libraries, bypassing the authors - who of course hold the copyright on their works - and including selections in search results. "This is a plain and brazen violation of copyright law. It's not up to Google or anyone other than the authors, the rightful owners of these copyrights, to decide whether and how their works will be copied," Authors Guild president Nick Taylor said in a statement.

News source: The Register


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(1 reply) #1 Colin-uk on 21 Sep 2005 - 17:04
in 10 - 20 years when google owns the internet people will be begging google to be put in thier index

n00b authors :/
#1.1 dolimite35 on 21 Sep 2005 - 17:21
"n00b authors" ? get real

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Google, an enormously successful company, claims a sweeping right to appropriate the property of others for its own commercial use unless it is told, case by case and instance by instance, not to.


whoa that just blew me away, scanning copyrighted books without permission

Last edited by 78314 on 21 Sep 2005 - 17:28
#2 markjensen on 21 Sep 2005 - 17:24
I would consider it "fair use" to be searchable, should I need to cite examples of something used in literature. As long as this technology doesn't allow freely copying of an entire works, I don't see a problem with entering the information into a computer database.

Beats going to the library and going through the Dewey Decimal System manually, opening and reading each page of every book to find what you are looking for.

I guess it will be up to the courts to decide. <sarcasm> At least it is in good hands </sarcasm>
(2 replies) #3 Garry on 21 Sep 2005 - 17:28
Looks like another money making lawsuit from a group of people seizing an opportunity. Why wouldn't these authors want the exposure? It's not like putting passages of their work online will cost them anything - it'll merely make their work easier to find, thus making them money!
#3.1 dolimite35 on 21 Sep 2005 - 17:38
If the book has a copyright that says you cant copy the text (1 page to the whole book) in any way without getting permission then you cant. You can cite examples for works as long as you give credit but you cant just use a whole page. Google could have asked for permission or set it up in a way that the authors come to them in a opt-in program, but they decided to do their own damn thing, we all learn from doing that.
#3.2 NeoReader on 23 Sep 2005 - 21:21
Apparently You have never written a book . . . . So what your saying is ok for Google to go ahead and bypass the copyright laws because they will give you something for free? How would you feel if you wrote a book and expect to make all this money and all of a sudden find out you no longer are recieving any more royalty money from your book because now everyone is able to read it without buying. . . And Google is the only one making money of it, since they make money out of all the advertisemts they put in that page that displays your hard work.
#4 TC17 on 21 Sep 2005 - 19:22
I've always said its only a matter of time before Google gets sued big time. And I can guarantee you this will only be the beginning. Google seems to think they have the right to archive anything and everything without permission.

Although I'm suprised google hasn't been sued yet for recording financial transactions.

#5 Ruffneckting on 21 Sep 2005 - 20:18
If they wrote it they wanted people to read it!!! As long as credit is given where credit is due!
Publish it on the internet maybe they might become recognised. They might sit there in the back of a library for years.

In fact they should think there selves lucky it is being digitally archived for future use by generations and generations and.. you get the point.

We will probably have to burn all the books for fuel in the end anyway.

Just my 2 pennies worth.
(1 reply) #6 karmakillernz on 21 Sep 2005 - 20:59
Most of you seem to be missing the point.

Sure, it'd be nice to have a huge, easily searchable database of books but as Google doesn't own the copyrights to any of the books it's not up to them to claim rights to do so.

This should be an opt-in system, whereas the copyright owners can give Google permission to archive selected texts.

I have a feeling that people think it's OK because it's Google, who can apparently do no wrong. If it was Microsoft scanning everyone&#8217;s books for inclusion in Encarta online, for example, I'm sure most people would be up in arms. The law is the law, and Google has to abide by it.
#6.1 Ideas Man on 22 Sep 2005 - 00:20
Exactly, I tried to say this a while ago and all I coped was people crying over it i.e. the google supporters. I like Google, I use Google, but I dont' agree with their directions. It may seem good, but deep down, they are violating the law. If Microsoft did something similar, once again, everybody would be crying for their blood.
(2 replies) #7 RufioPan on 22 Sep 2005 - 05:44
When I hear stories like this, I have to wonder... is Google ignoring the robots.txt file on these sites, or are they not correctly instructing spiders to stop crawling their copyrighted works?

Similar to the way print copyrights work, you have to actually notify the reader that your work is copyrighted. On the internet, you similarly can instruct search engines not to index your site because it's copyrighted. I think the onus should be on the authors of those sites should take some measures to notify the search engines that some works are copyrighted, rather than jumping to lawsuits.
#7.1 dolimite35 on 22 Sep 2005 - 06:54
It not about authors of web sites, its about text material like books
#7.2 YaddaMe on 22 Sep 2005 - 12:47
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you have to actually notify the reader that your work is copyrighted.


Where did you come up with such nonsense. Every single original work of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression is copyrighted the minute it is created, and does not need to be stated.
#8 C-Fu on 22 Sep 2005 - 06:52
robots.txt anyone? really, if you don't want spiders to crawl to certain parts of your site (for example the library search results ) then TELL THEM!
(1 reply) #9 m0rph on 22 Sep 2005 - 09:56
Well, didn't Google give like a two month period for copyrighted works to be put in an ignore list if the authors complained?
#9.1 dolimite35 on 22 Sep 2005 - 15:31
Im not sure if Google did that but still you cant do that, doesnt work that way.
#10 cylonite on 22 Sep 2005 - 13:49
authors are saying that instead of them going to google, google should have come to them. thats one of the reasons y their works are copyrighted.
#11 Deam on 23 Sep 2005 - 04:26
Most of you have no idea about copyright law if you think Google has any right to do what this. As a poster stated above, authorship creats a copyright the moment the work is created. The (c) means nothing in law, if only an indication to laypeople. You don't need to register a copyright, like you do in some cases with a TM.

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