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Opera has always had a strong usebase, that has never changed.
It's only going to increase now.

exactly, i installed and uninstalled within 10 min

Opera does take a bit of getting used too, there are some really nice features in it. I havce been using it on and off for many years now.

Opera Good:
high customization nice features, nice download continue feature that actually works, RSS Feeds are great, having the ability to read these off-line is a real bonus

Bad:
Still have trouble on some web sites, at times the CSS style sheets do not resolve properlly causing the font's to revert to default
Some web site do not work at all, have been having problems going to http://www.bink.nu/ but no problem with Firefox, some devices that have in internal websites such as the Ricoh or Xerox printers also do not work 100% with Opera but do with Firefox

That's my 2 cents worth

Last edited by 22258 on 22 Sep 2005 - 21:18

I'm sure many people who previously used Internet Explorer will find the functionality of Opera to be a welcome and convenient change. Go Opera .

Opera already has adblocking, flashblocking etc, had them for years. Ever since filter.ini was introduced.

http://www.OperaAdFilter.com

What is not simple about the UI of Opera 8.xx?
I can understand this comment regarding Opera 7.xx, but 8.xx?

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What is not simple about the UI of Opera 8.xx? I can understand this comment regarding Opera 7.xx, but 8.xx?

It's too gimmicky - the icons don't have enough contrast and the gradients on the tabs make them harder to read. The Opera interface has come along so much since the early days but it still has a way to go.

Um ever heard of SKINS???

go to "tools" ( its up on the top menu ok... see it... ok ) then click ( yes use your mouse button and push your finger down on the "left" button ) "apperences"

then... click again on "skins" then go PICK A DIFFERENT SKIN AND CLICK OK

That's not really the point, it should be usable and nice looking "out-of-the-box".

I don't get how it's not usable out of the box...
Ever since Opera 8 was released, the UI has been tidy to me.
I have no trouble seeing the UI either like the above poster. :s

It IS usable and nice looking out of the box. Unlike Square Pants Firefox.

User-interface is so subjective to an individual. A user interface you love, a million others may hate it.

I personally much prefer the Opera interface to the comparatively basic Firefox. It all depends on your needs and how you use the product.

I don't mean the UI's looks. I mean how easy/hard it is to find what you want to edit or change. It's just easyier to do in ALL other browsers then it is in Opera. But I didn't mean this as a dig at them. It's getting better and as I said I'm going to try and learn it. After I do I may find it better. I just haven't been able to pick it up as easy as I did with Firefox. I don't know why that is.. I'm no idiot or anything. I just don't find setting controls where I would excpect to see them is all. I'll get it.. no need to get upset just because of my opinion. This UI may work great for everyone else in the world.

um dude opera is fing easy to constomize.

rclick the bar and hit the costomize button. then just use your mouse to move things where u want and add/remove stuff as u see fit. its VERY VERY VERY easy. Unlike firesux where u need to deal with xml and extentions to get the functions opera has by default.

opera dosnt need extentions, unlike firefox that NEEDS them out of thebox, Opera comes with fetures it would take you a decent ammount of time to get into FF with extentions.

i used ff for a while. to me it couldnt touch opera Period end of story. Opera has some buggs. but ff has its own buggs. it renders somesites worse then opera. my buddys forums look horrid in FF but FINE in opera and IE.

meh im glad they went free now if they can only turn it into a mony maker

It doesn't work as easy as you say. drag thing around on the tool bars.. like I do in Firefox it won't do it for me. Maybe there is some trick to it, but if so then it's not as easy as you made it sound.

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I just like IE 6 too much.

That would make you a flagellant.

well true but noones stating it means 1 million users are they?

(im in the same boat, I dloaded it but may never use it)

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That would make you a flagellant.

Or maybe an algolagnist, but from his post we can deduce that he is more than likely a schlemiel.

I am not a fanatic, IE doesn't give me any problems (therefore, no pain), and Opera is not the not the greatest piece of software on earth.

for people that like to use "big words" you sure don't know how to read people at all...LOL

STV

What World are you from? Don't play us for a fool on here. If you use IE, you have problems, period! Maybe the problems haven't reared their ugly head yet, but they will. If your browser has ActiveX, it has problems.

@todbran: ok...let me get this straight. I have problems because I can make Internet Explorer secure? wow, that is just awesome.

STV

Well, sure you can turn off activeX and the sorts, but then nothing works. Go to WindowsUpdate and try to use it with your "secure settings". When you add WindowsUpdate to your Trusted Sites, you have to close your browser and restart it to turn ActiveX back off. I just find it funny that you have never had security problems with IE. I own a computer service center, I see security problems all of the time related to the use of IE and I know that statement is false. IE7 isn't going to be any better because it still uses ActiveX. Why do you think that every other non-IE browser stays away from ActiveX?

your kidding me right? and Firefox and Opera are secure.

Lets get this straight, it's not the number of issues that are present that matters or even the severety of the issues. The ONLY issue that count's in the long run is the issue that effects you. If STV can use IE and never get hit by an IE exploit then why shouldn't he use IE. Speculating he will have issues down the road is pointless, the same can be said about any browser, Active X or not.

and yeah I use firefox

EDIT: Fixed name up, thanks for that

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^ Agreed. And BTW, wrong name: STV not SVT. *cough*

If he can use IE6 in a responsible manner, so be it. None of this 'if you use IE, you have problems, period!' nonsense.

As an Opera user, IE6 still comes in handy for the minority of sites that mess up in Firefox, in Opera, or both.

You won't understand how messed up IE is until you have seen computers almost ruined by it's problems. Yes, every browser has its problems, but having ActiveX triples the probability that you are going to have problems. I fix computers for a living and still get blind sided by IE problems when I forget I'm using IE. No ammount of preventive medicine can protect anyone from IE's problems. Until you have repaired 1000 computers in 11 years with IE related problems like I have, you won't understand.

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You won't understand how messed up IE is until you have seen computers almost ruined by it's problems. Yes, every browser has its problems, but having ActiveX triples the probability that you are going to have problems. I fix computers for a living and still get blind sided by IE problems when I forget I'm using IE. No ammount of preventive medicine can protect anyone from IE's problems. Until you have repaired 1000 computers in 11 years with IE related problems like I have, you won't understand.

well, i do understand, I HAVE GONE THROUGH IT MYSELF. this occurred a long time ago, but once I got smart about the settings that IE provides, I was able to make it useful and malware free. now, most of that previous mess was because I came with crap default settings, but now that SP2 is out, this greatly reduces chances of getting malware. now, if the user is just stupid, then the problem is not with the software, it is with the idiot using the computer.

um...im only 20, have been using computers for 4-5 years and understand what you mean. and the fact that I am able to actually fix it and implement preventative measures, gives me the right to speak out about this.

STV

pretzels > chips

1.4 million in two days is a feat for sure. Let's see if they can match Firefox's 20 million downloads in 76 days. The browser "wars" will definitely be more interesting now.

OMG, I finally get it! <3 is a heart laying on its side. I was thinking, "less than 3, less than 3, WTF is that". Dopey me!

It looks like "I bag Opera" (as in with my nut sack).

Did u even read the article ? There are no Ad-Banners.
And if u dont like banners on sites then maybe u'd like to know that this site itself is mainly supported by Ads ! So by blocking ads you would be hurting them !

I agree I support ads on my favorite sites

Well your opinion means nothing.

Yeah, but Moses dies without entering the promised land. Nice analogy, though. I liken the whole browser fanaticism to a religion. Just use what works for you and stfu, people.

Jesus returned from the dead, does that mean IE is gonna wow us with version 7?

huh ?
I'm not religius so I'm not entirely up on the bible thing and all but...

Mosesstole the tablets witht he commandments from one of the disciples and claimed them as his own ?

:p


no yoru analogy doesn't work(unless your blind deaf and dumb and never used Opera buntill after firefox was released, and think all those features where suddenly added in opera

Of course IE7 is going to make a huge change and wow a lot of people. IE has finally been completely rewritten so tabs will be implemented I believe as well as more features.

Oh and moses didnt steal the commandments.... im not religious but I had to do a course in it at school... the commandments were written on a stone in the desert.

IE7 has NOT been rewritten. The engine is the very same as before. They can't AFFORD to rewrite everything since it would break a helluva lot of pages, and IE7 would be in the same boat as Opera and Firefox.

They have tweaked a couple of things and changed the UI, but it's basically the same browser.

"40 people jump off cliff to 'see what its like'"

there you go, another bandwagon to 'jump' onto

or off of as the case may be

Hey! At least it is one of those "once in a lifetime" experiences!

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"40 people jump off cliff to 'see what its like'" there you go, another bandwagon to 'jump' onto

I was being sarcastic......

Couldn't agree more.

amen

proud day for neowin

Opera has better mouse gestures than any of the Firefox extensions, has lower memory usage, has a more arty interface and has smoother scrolling. Firefox has better standards support (currently, though Opera is improving all the time and is set on passing the Acid2 test) and a simple interface and a minimal feature set, whilst having a powerful extensions system.

The simple answer is to try them both and pick the one you like - they are both good browsers but suit different people. I myself prefer Firefox.

I think you will find Opera has better standards support than Firefox

I think Opera has much better standard support then Firefox. Have you ever compared Acid2 test results, Opera is miles ahead!

Opera's advantages: Smaller faster, more stable, better UI, more features available without getting in the way, unlike Firefox extensions that clutter up things and make you feel like you are using a FrankenBrowser.

Firefox's advantages: Open-source so you can hack away and play around, extensions to bolt on stuff and get lots of interesting functionality that is mostly a ripoff of features Opera already has built in when you install it.

The only problem with Opera = crappy large tabs. And the lack of a true Adblocker plugin/extension. (using a .css to do it is a pain, I rather have it point and click)

Also...

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Opera's advantages: Smaller faster, more stable, better UI, more features available without getting in the way, similar to the Firefox extensions which are almost as capable of doing the same. Firefox's advantages: Open-source so you can hack away and play around, extensions to bolt on stuff and get lots of interesting functionality that can emulate Opera's features pretty well.

Fixed. Idiocy (in worbd's case) is not an option.

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thanks for posting this.

Done this test before. The results speak for themselves:

OS: Windows XP
CPU Speed: 2 - 2.19 GHZ

Opera 8.5: 7.38 sec
Firefox 1.6: 16.95 sec
IE6 SP2: 23.55 sec

Something that is also surprising: when I last did the test, Firefox (on Linu dominated the overall top 10. Guess which browser (and which OS, strangely) dominates that category now? (I suspect some people are cheating on their CPU speed selection...)

Wonder why yours has such a disparity between Opera and Firefox.

Firefox trunk nightly: 7.41 second
Opera 8.5: 6.23 seconds
IE6: 17.5 seconds

No kidding, you run a nightly build of Firefox.

I run a copy of Firefox 1.6 with a couple of extensions (bugmenot, popupsound, cutemenus, undoclosetab, extended statusbar), the Qute theme, and I ran the FF profile through FireTune. Maybe the speed will improve if I removed the extensions - but for the sake of improving the score, forget it.

Even with the leet Firefox trunk nightly, Opera is faster. Opera all the way