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Microsoft Takes Stand on 'Virtual' Licensing

malebolgia   on 10 October 2005 - 18:15 · 21 comments & 3286 views

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Microsoft is taking a stand on an emerging technology that threatens to reshape software pricing models.

The company on Monday is expected to detail changes to its server product licensing to better accommodate virtualization software, an emerging technology that big companies are eyeing as a way to consolidate servers and cut costs.

Advocates argue that virtualization lets companies reduce the number of servers they need by letting jobs run more efficient on a smaller number of machines. Virtualization software such as Microsoft's Virtual Server, EMC's VMware and XenSource's Xen lets a server simultaneously run multiple operating systems, or multiple instances of the same operating system. Each instance essentially behaves as a self-contained computer.

News source: C|Net News.com


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#1 Word on 10 Oct 2005 - 18:23
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more efficiency on

Spelling error by Cnet lol...Sounds pretty nifty but shouldn't virtual server make each instance essentially behave as a self-contained SERVER?
#2 sphbecker on 10 Oct 2005 - 18:39
I personally feel that you should only have to buy one server license per server no matter how many images you choose to install. Here is why:

One, the server is not able to do any more work then it could if you were running a single OS. You are still running on 2, 4 or however many processors. So why are you installing multiple images; simple, to provide a setup the OS is not flexible enough to offer with a single installation (ie, a Domain Controller and a Terminal Server cannot run on the same server unless you want to weaken security for your entire domain). Or, perhaps you want to ensure that one application cannot cause problems on another (again, a limitation in the OS).

Two, MS is licensing the server based on the number of processors you have (the higher editions which support more processors cost more). Therefore you should not pay more because you choose to configure your hardware into more then one OS image. You don’t buy two arrays to get two partitions, you shouldn’t have to buy two software licenses either. This is the way IBM has done their virtualization mainframe software for the last 35 years; MS should look at their example.
(5 replies) #3 8-n-1 on 10 Oct 2005 - 19:12
You can be sure that whatever angle Microsoft is pursuing, it's for maximizing PROFIT.
#3.1 PCyr on 10 Oct 2005 - 22:08
Can you please remind us what the purpose of a business is?
#3.2 Dirtie on 11 Oct 2005 - 06:30
Hopefully to get a little more out of it than just money.
#3.3 lbmouse on 11 Oct 2005 - 13:05
@1.1
For Microsoft the purpose is pretty much only money. My eyes have been opened by companies that I've worked for since. There is much more to a company's "life" than just the bottom line. That being said, we are just gonning to have to assume that whatever puts more money in Bill's pocket is the driving force behind this license change.
#3.4 parithon on 11 Oct 2005 - 18:34
@lbmouse: If you believe that, you're an idiot. Microsoft has been around for decades, and they would not exist today if they only cared about the bottom line.
#3.5 lbmouse on 11 Oct 2005 - 20:08
In the seven+ years I was there, that was the culture. There are many other problems in Redmond right now, but the obsessive greed which was the main cause of large amounts of back-stabbing is what got to me and many of my co-workers that have quit.
(1 reply) #4 nacs on 10 Oct 2005 - 19:41
This quote is hilarious:

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The shift will benefit customers, Microsoft says.


AHAHAHA. Higher prices are better for customers. Good to know.

This kind of thing only benefits opensource so I approve. The more ridiculous their licensing gets, the more businesses will move toward open source solutions ( Linux + Xen or Linux + UML, etc).
#4.1 Jeremy1 on 11 Oct 2005 - 04:57
Most customers will see either no change or lower prices.
(5 replies) #5 CaKeY on 11 Oct 2005 - 00:23
More info: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/windows/story/0,10801,105271,00.html

if a user runs six virtual instances of a product such as BizTalk Server on a four-processor box, it would have to pay for six BizTalk licenses

#5.1 Jeremy1 on 11 Oct 2005 - 04:49
That's a crazy example. Nobody does that.
#5.2 CaKeY on 11 Oct 2005 - 04:58
What are you talking about? ALOT of webhosting companies do that!
#5.3 Jeremy1 on 11 Oct 2005 - 04:59
What do they do that requires that?
#5.4 CaKeY on 11 Oct 2005 - 06:37
Maximizing their hardware. Dual 3ghz processors, 4 gigs of ram, 500 gigs drive space... thats plenty of power for 10 or more typical websites.
#5.5 sphbecker on 11 Oct 2005 - 18:57
You don't need an OS image for each web site. Perhaps for hosting services who want to offer "Virtually Dedicated Servers."

This is actually not a change; when I first started looking at virtual server I found in the FAQs that you needed a license for each OS you install, which I do not agree with, but it has always been that way.
(3 replies) #6 MrCobra on 11 Oct 2005 - 05:15
Pure greed is all it is.
#6.1 Jason on 11 Oct 2005 - 06:40
Why are there so many childish comments on this site ??

Do you know anything about shareholders and the stock market in general?
#6.2 mr_demilord on 11 Oct 2005 - 07:29
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Why are there so many childish comments on this site ??

Do you know anything about shareholders and the stock market in general?


Yes, they are greedy and selfish if it comes to $$$$$$.
#6.3 ramesees on 11 Oct 2005 - 10:40
So if you were on the board of a company or a major shareholder, you wouldnt want to encourage a venture which increased your profits and cash pile?

Yeah right......*coughs* BS *coughs*
#7 Billprozac on 12 Oct 2005 - 13:15
Wow, the impressive thing is that no one here seems to be thinking, just posting. As it stands, you have to purchase a full license for all virtual servers. There is no way Microsoft could justify a price INCREASE. This is most certainly going to be a price decrease.

Ohh... I hate M$$$$, money money money.

Shut up and think!

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