Apple Shares Soar After New iPod Announcement
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#1 Posted by realmccoy on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:29
- Seems ,like the longer I wait to buy an Ipod the better it get's.
I am going get one , soon! -
#1.1 Posted by DarkBlade on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:31
- Haha, I've been saying the same thing for a long time now. We'll see...
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#1.2 Posted by BBinder on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:40
- well u just better keep waiting cos by the tie you buy it it'll be outdated the very next day
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#1.3 Posted by Chicane-UK on 14 Oct 2005 - 07:17
- BBinder - thats the nature of technology i'm afraid. Apple make no secret of the fact they are constantly looking to improve their products (they started work on the current iMac the day they released the previous one!) but then thats no different to any company.. all the graphics companies, HDD companies, etc.
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#2 Posted by ph3412t3h13 on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:36
- YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO ME I HAVE APPLE STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
#2.1 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 10:52
- You might want to sell now as to make up some of that 20 year loss you had.
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#2.2 Posted by roadwarrior on 14 Oct 2005 - 12:57
- What 20 year loss? Looks like a nice upward slope to me:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=my&...l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
In comparison, Microsoft seems to have hit their peak around 2000, and has leveled off below that for the last 5 years:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=my -
#2.3 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 16:39
- I'm sorry, did someone even mention MS? Why do much defense oriented around MS from most apple folks?
BTW - sure that chart shows an upward trend but take a peak at the little scale label. Millions compared to billions. In addition, you are comparing "apple" to oranges, again. -
#2.4 Posted by GoogleNinja on 14 Oct 2005 - 18:21
- http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=my&l=off&z=m&q=l&c=
Even with a linear scale, I'm still not seeing a 20-year loss.
"Why do much defense oriented around MS from most apple folks?"
It's a competing tech company... What did you expect? We're not going to compare it to General Motors as they make a completely different product. If someone started talking about Intel's stock price, wouldn't you expect to see someone who is trying to make a comparison talk about AMD's stock price? If someone started to talk about GlaxoSmithKline, wouldn't you expect them to make a comparison with Novartis? Duh?
Microsoft stock vs. Apple stock is not like comparing apples to oranges. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble. -
#2.5 Posted by roadwarrior on 14 Oct 2005 - 18:27
- @MaxMonster:
The "scale label" you are referring to is the volume of trades, and is not at all related to the actual share value.
I only mentioned Microsoft because most people tend to compare the two companies since they are the two major players in the OS market (not counting Linux, which generally isn't sold retail).
I was also correcting your "20 year loss" comment.
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#2.6 Posted by dp123 on 14 Oct 2005 - 18:47
- Furthermore, MaxMonster, who cares about 400 billion (oops, MSFT has been worth about 270 billion for the last 5 years) versus 5 billion (oops again, Apple is now worth 40 billion)?
$1,000 dollars or $100,000,000 invested in Apple over the last 4 years would have experienced huge growth, and the same investment would have resulted in nothign ahd it been in MSFT (besides some small dividend payments.) -
#2.7 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 19:31
QUOTE Microsoft stock vs. Apple stock is not like comparing apples to oranges. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble.
Sorry to burst yours but MS is considered a software company while Apple is considered (nowadays) a music company. Last time I checked MS does not make a computer system, or mp3 portable "media centers".
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#2.8 Posted by GoogleNinja on 14 Oct 2005 - 20:21
- You apparently like to make these little discriminations that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. They are both tech companies. You lose, sorry. Deal with it.
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#2.9 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 21:44
- GoogleNinja - before you go off the handle maybe you should read the entire thread. It was not me who even brought up the comparison between the two. Geez. Get a clue.
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#2.10 Posted by dp123 on 14 Oct 2005 - 21:56
- MaxMonster, you are a strange one. You ARE the one who said it's like comparing apples to oranges. Ninja responded to that. You then made the apples to oranges analogy AGAIN by quoting Ninja's reply and restating your original comment: they can't be compared. Ninja again said: sorry, people think of them as in the same market. Your response: I didn't bring it up in the first place? Uh huh, whatever.
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#2.11 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 22:08
- dp123 - Ummm, lets see here:
my first comment: You might want to sell now as to make up some of that 20 year loss you had.
-ok- did not bring up MS or comparison with that.
roadwarrior said right after that:In comparison, Microsoft seems to have hit their peak around 2000, and has leveled off below that for the last 5 years:
-ok- the comparison starts - So I in fact did not "bring up" the comparison between the two.
Geez man, you are a tool.
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#2.12 Posted by dp123 on 14 Oct 2005 - 22:33
- I'm a tool?
Where still waiting for the explanation of that 20 year loss. Anyone, anyone? In particular, the douchebag who said it? Who was it who said it?
Secondly, did I say you mentioned Microsoft? I said: "You ARE the one who said it's like comparing apples to oranges. " Have you not done that TWICE?
Okay, so please, where is the 20 year loss? And we have clearly said the comparison is apt. So my question was: how does saying "I didn't bring up Microsoft" get you out of both comments: one patently absurd, the other a comment no one wants to agree with?
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#2.13 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 23:07
- I see you like to resort to childish comments and name calling..."I'm a strange one" and I'm a "douchebag"? I guess you'd like to step it up a level then.
I was not the one who even started the comparison. Period. read it and weep brother. I did use that exact analogy, but certainly didn't start it. Which was the ENTIRE point! geez.
The twenty year loss may be not true, but I don't call myself a market watcher either. I have however seen over the years apple declining drastically. Of course, this all changed with the ipod as we all know in only the past few years. Apple did a flip flop when they entered into the music industry. Being that, their computers, on the other hand, are still only a few percent of the market share. Which in fact have only climb the ladder at a very dismal rate. Which brings us way back to my original comment before roadwarrior started the whole thing. Sell the stock now to get some of that money back - if in fact you owned stock back in apple declining days. Clear enough for you now?
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#2.14 Posted by GoogleNinja on 14 Oct 2005 - 23:29
- Interestingly enough, Max, you want to complain about how dp123 resorts to namecalling, yet you called him a tool before he said you were a douchebag. Not surprising, I guess, considering some of the other things you've tried to weasel your way out of, which dp123 has kindly pointed out.
PS: Please give up. You lost. There is no way you can twist your words to convince anybody otherwise. Deal with it. -
#2.15 Posted by dp123 on 14 Oct 2005 - 23:35
QUOTE I see you like to resort to childish comments and name calling..."I'm a strange one" and I'm a "douchebag"? I guess you'd like to step it up a level then.
You called me a tool first. I'd hardly call calling you strange insulting when your comments are strange. It doesn't matter who brought anything up, that's the point. Your point is absurd and nonsensical: Apple's growth is astronomic and sustained over nearly 5 years. You were insulting them. We pointed out to you that your comment was absurd and made a comparison to Microsoft because it is they who have sucked on the boards.
QUOTE I have however seen over the years apple declining drastically.
have you? They grew immensely from 84 to 87, from 87 to 95 they largely went sideways, then they declined from 95 to 97, then they had another immense growth from 97 to 2000 (return of Jobs and the original iMac), then they were punished by the bubble with an intense decline that happened in a matter of weeks. And since then they have had historic growth greater than any other company in the tech sector that is not a startup. So we are talking about 2 years of decline before Jobs returned and a few months between 2000-2001 (and some spikiness in the first ten years). Otherwise, between 97 and 2005, Apple has done extraordinarily well.
QUOTE Being that, their computers, on the other hand, are still only a few percent of the market share.
But still over 1/3 of their business. Another 1/3 being software and retail. And music being 1/3 of that. Of which, all sectors are growing.
QUOTE Which in fact have only climb the ladder at a very dismal rate.
Further attempts to rationalize your absurd claims. We are talking stock value. Apparently, you are still unwilling to look at a graph.
QUOTE Sell the stock now to get some of that money back - if in fact you owned stock back in apple declining days.
Even if you bought Apple's stock at the absurd $100+ valuations of 1999-2000 (it's absolute highest valuation back at that time) at the peak of the bubble, you already made all of your losses back in late 2004-January 2005. Since then the stock has split and continued it's meteoric climb.
QUOTE Clear enough for you now?
That you don't know anything about Apple's performance on the stock market and that you yourself claim: "I don't call myself a market watcher either.", but that you think you have some credence in advising us to sell our stock? Yeah, it's clear that you don't know what you are talking about.-
#2.16 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 23:44
- GoogleNinja - Um..dp123 first called me a "strange one" so I replied with the "tool". You did not read that? I guess not.
However, "douchebag" is on a whole new level IMO.
So who is twisting words now? I think you. Get some reading lessons please. -
#2.17 Posted by MaxMonster on 15 Oct 2005 - 00:02
QUOTE You called me a tool first. I'd hardly call calling you strange insulting when your comments are strange. It doesn't matter who brought anything up, that's the point. Your point is absurd and nonsensical: Apple's growth is astronomic and sustained over nearly 5 years. You were insulting them. We pointed out to you that your comment was absurd and made a comparison to Microsoft because it is they who have sucked on the boards.
Foolish man. You insulted me first with the "you are a strange one" - did you forget that?
QUOTE have you? They grew immensely from 84 to 87, from 87 to 95 they largely went sideways, then they declined from 95 to 97, then they had another immense growth from 97 to 2000 (return of Jobs and the original iMac), then they were punished by the bubble with an intense decline that happened in a matter of weeks. And since then they have had historic growth greater than any other company in the tech sector that is not a startup. So we are talking about 2 years of decline before Jobs returned and a few months between 2000-2001 (and some spikiness in the first ten years). Otherwise, between 97 and 2005, Apple has done extraordinarily well.
I guess when you start at the bottom... key here is your statement: "historic growth greater than any other company in the tech sector that is not a startup"
Simply not true.
QUOTE But still over 1/3 of their business. Another 1/3 being software and retail. And music being 1/3 of that. Of which, all sectors are growing.
What? thanks for agreeing with my statement...i guess.
QUOTE Further attempts to rationalize your absurd claims. We are talking stock value. Apparently, you are still unwilling to look at a graph.
I guess you didnt comprehend my last statements.
QUOTE Even if you bought Apple's stock at the absurd $100+ valuations of 1999-2000 (it's absolute highest valuation back at that time) at the peak of the bubble, you already made all of your losses back in late 2004-January 2005. Since then the stock has split and continued it's meteoric climb.
that's really depends on what you did with it, correct? Your statement is true, theoretically speaking.
QUOTE That you don't know anything about Apple's performance on the stock market and that you yourself claim: "I don't call myself a market watcher either.", but that you think you have some credence in advising us to sell our stock? Yeah, it's clear that you don't know what you are talking about.
This may be true. apple and stocks are not my concern. Here's an article less than a year old. This is my point.-
#2.18 Posted by GoogleNinja on 15 Oct 2005 - 00:38
- Wah! He called me strange! Wah!
Max, you're really stooping to pathetic lows to justify some of the crap you're trying to say. -
#2.19 Posted by MaxMonster on 15 Oct 2005 - 01:23
- Grow up kids.
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#2.20 Posted by GoogleNinja on 15 Oct 2005 - 02:28
- This coming from you? Wow...
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#2.21 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 15 Oct 2005 - 08:41
- Internet-fight! Internet-fight! Internet-fight! Internet-fight! Sorry, somebody had to add something worthwhile to this discussion.
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#2.22 Posted by dp123 on 15 Oct 2005 - 21:10
QUOTE Simply not true.
Yes, true. Show me a non-startup that has grown more than Apple in the tech sector.
QUOTE What? thanks for agreeing with my statement...i guess.
No, that's not agreement.
QUOTE I guess you didnt comprehend my last statements.
I did as well as anyone. They don't really make any sense.
QUOTE that's really depends on what you did with it, correct? Your statement is true, theoretically speaking.
What you did with it? You either buy, sell, or hold stock. No, it doesn't depend on what you did with it. There is only a narrow window in which you would be making up losses, and that's if you bought it at absurd bubble prices of $100+. And as I said, they already made up those losses at the end of 2004 if they did something so foolish. Since then, they've experienced great gains.
QUOTE This may be true.
Which would thus completely invalidate any of your posts. Thanks.
QUOTE apple and stocks are not my concern.
WHich is why you are telling people to sell the stock? Which is why you claim to know something about the stock and company when you don't? Uh huh. If it's not your concern, don't post.
QUOTE This is my point.
Sorry, you have no point. You just said so a moment ago.
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#3 Posted by Lan88 on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:49
- Good for apple. seems that they've finally become the masters of the mp3 player market...
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#4 Posted by GoogleNinja on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:51
- Dammit, why didn't I buy stock in Apple a couple years ago?
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#4.1 Posted by roadwarrior on 13 Oct 2005 - 23:01
- January of last year would have been a really good time to buy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=2y&...l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
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#5 Posted by quigley0 on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:52
I wonder if this will hold in after-hours? Apple got killed two days ago in after hours..
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=5d
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#6 Posted by eilegz on 13 Oct 2005 - 23:15
- i just inmagine if theres a adaptor to make a ipod connect to the tv so i can watch my series in the tv
that would be great -
#6.3 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 10:53
- much better adapter here.
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#7 Posted by Garry on 13 Oct 2005 - 23:40
- What a subjective news article. What it doesn't say is that a few days earlier, when Apple announced their quarterly figures, their share price dropped 10% - so, despite new iMacs, new iPod, Video and TV downloads their share price is still 1% lower than it was a few weeks ago.
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#7.1 Posted by macrosslover on 14 Oct 2005 - 00:47
QUOTE In exactly a year Apple shares have gained 60% and are the 14th biggest gainer Standard & Poor's 500 index.
yet that statement should still remain true. I have to admit the ipod has come long way IMO from the gen 1 ipods that thought weren't worth it. Now with the newest sleek models and increased digital content, Apple is the way to go now. I do expect MS to offer some form of digital video content in the future as well, but I'm glad that Apple is kick starting the idea and lighting a fire under everybody's "rears" to get it started. I might actually get an ipod this holiday season.-
#7.2 Posted by Starcom826 on 14 Oct 2005 - 01:43
- That's not actually true. When your share price drops 10%, its 10% of the high value. And when it regains 9%, it gains 9% on the low value. So actually, the difference is greater.
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#8 Posted by The Skins Factory on 14 Oct 2005 - 00:28
- Who to believe. You're saying they're up and...
From Internet Movie Database:
"Apple shares plummeted 4.5 percent Wednesday (after falling 10 percent on Tuesday), while Disney fell 2 percent."
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#8.1 Posted by GoogleNinja on 14 Oct 2005 - 01:21
- And yet, today is Thursday. Imagine that...
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#9 Posted by neufuse on 14 Oct 2005 - 02:02
- just yesterday i was reading a wall street report on how apple's stock was plumiting, now its "riseing sharply"...
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#9.1 Posted by GoogleNinja on 14 Oct 2005 - 02:44
- That's how stocks work. If you don't believe it, you can go watch stocks rise and fall everyday on finance.yahoo.com
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#10 Posted by Andreas012345 on 14 Oct 2005 - 04:55
- You know what really is the question here... Will it be able to play Divx / XviD. And guess what's the answer. No. I really hope that there might be a patch available for this. Coz if not, i don't see the point of having just music videos that have an mpg extension.
For 60GB, I prefer to watch 60 movies (700mb) AND some music videos wouldn't hurt. Yep, I am talking about a portable home theatre guys. I'll be on my way to work with my Video iPod and some pop corn. Now that's some new technology. Then again, that's my two cents on this -
#10.1 Posted by GaMMa on 14 Oct 2005 - 04:55
- I'm sure it's possible to convert divx files to whatever it supports. It'll probably take a while for big movies though .
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#10.2 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 10:55
- just get any other portable device like this one.
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#10.3 Posted by roadwarrior on 14 Oct 2005 - 13:10
- The iPod will play any MPEG4 video (either .mp4 or .m4v) or Quicktime movie (.mov, either MPEG4 or H.264 codecs), so long as it's in the correct size and bitrate limits. It's fairly easy to convert from other formats with Quicktime Pro, and probably with some other software as well (I'd assume that VirtualDub would do it too).
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#10.4 Posted by MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 19:35
- why bother with all that? that's just silly.
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#10.5 Posted by roadwarrior on 15 Oct 2005 - 01:47
- Well, MaxMonster, the player you suggested only supports the following formats for playback:
QUOTE MPEG-4 SP with B-Frames with stereo sound. Near DVD quality up to 720x480 @ 30 f/s (NTSC), 720x576 @ 25 f/s (PAL), AVI file format (including WMV9 SP protected files) up to 352x288 @ 30 f/s and 800 Kbits
So if the video files you have aren't in one of those formats (MPEG 1 or 2, or MOV, etc), you'd have to do the same thing, convert them. And if your AVI files are DivX, they may or may not work with it:
QUOTE has not been certified by DivX, Inc., may not read all DivX® 4.0 & 5.0 files; does not read DivX® 3.11 & 6.0 files -
#10.6 Posted by MaxMonster on 15 Oct 2005 - 16:16
- roadwarrior - yes it will play MPG4, AVI and WMV. All the best formats. As far as codecs go I can play almost all AVI files encoded with the DIVX codec. The "newer" .divx format is not support...yet. I'll have to correct you on the sucktime format. It will not play mov. I've tried with all the mov codecs. Go sit down now.
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#10.7 Posted by GoogleNinja on 16 Oct 2005 - 20:54
- Wow... you're a complete idiot. Just... stop... talking... Save the air for the rest of us that have something better than "sucktime" to contribute to a discussion. "Go sit down now"? What are you, 14? The trolls just get stupider and stupider with time.
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#11 Posted by GaMMa on 14 Oct 2005 - 05:00
- I was ready to cave and buy a nano, but I think I'll wait a little longer for the video ipod. I'm glad to see Apple is so successful with their product, they were hurting for a while before the iPod.
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#12 Posted by darkyi on 14 Oct 2005 - 11:51
- The real question is how long will the Batteries last? 8 hours? 10?
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#12.1 Posted by roadwarrior on 14 Oct 2005 - 13:12
- Why don't you go read the specs page?
iPod Specs page
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#13 Posted by TrevorB on 14 Oct 2005 - 22:02
- About time they try and clean up that damn Word options dialog (is it a dialog box?)
But so, far its not to bad. I'll tell you guys if I like it when I try it, instead of judging like the majority of the users here. -
#13.1 Posted by roadwarrior on 15 Oct 2005 - 01:53
- What are you talking about, because it sure isn't related to this article.
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#13.2 Posted by GoogleNinja on 15 Oct 2005 - 02:27
- I think he misclicked and thought he was posting about another article.
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#14 Posted by dark kyuubi on 15 Oct 2005 - 16:14
- I am sure loving my stocks right now
Disney CEO Bob Iger said that the sale of digital television and other content was the future, whilst analysts think that the new iPod could further spur sales for Apple, who already control 75% of the digital music player market. In exactly a year Apple shares have gained 60% and are the 14th biggest gainer Standard & Poor's 500 index.
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