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HD DVD Movie Titles to be Region Free

ChopSuey   on 13 October 2005 - 15:53 · 43 comments & 6865 views

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The DVD forum organized the "DVD Forum Japan Conference 2005" on Thursday. Industry sposkmen presented the progrees that had been made in HD DVD standardization, introduced the updated format roadmap and also unveiled that the upcoming HD DVD Video titles may not be regionally restricted as in the case of DVD Video.

According to the DVD Forum, the standardization of the HD DVD-ROM/-R/RW and the HD DVD hybrid disks has been completed, as well as for the 8cm HD DVD-ROM. Note that the HD DVD-R is a write once disc, while the HD DVD-RW is more aligned with DVD-RAM media, since it will be a Random Access medium featuring defect management algorithms in order to offer data storage reliability.

The hybrid disks consist of two layers. The first layer conforms to the HD DVD-ROM standard (15GB), while the second will most likely be a DVD-ROM layer (4.7GB). The disc will be recognized and reproduced by both HD DVD and DVD players. Hybrid discs are claimed to be easily manufactured with current equipment used for dual layer DVD media.

The most interesting announcement, however, is the introduction of a new format that could be considered as the successor of the DVD-RW. Temporarily codenamed "HD-Re-recordable" (HD DVD-RR), the format has been proposed for approval. The format is expected to be finalized in Spring of 2006.

In addition, the Steering Comittee has aproved the HD DVD VR format and also examined the possibility of developing a domestic-oriented HD DVD disk solely for the Chinese market.

News source: CDR Info


Spokesmen from Toshiba also underlined the need to offer video content stored on HD DVD media that will not feature any regional restrictions, as happens with current DVDs. Although final decisions about this matter have not yet been announced, it is possibe that the same HD DVD discs will be reproduced by any HD DVD player worldwide.

Apart from the HD DVD, the DVD Forum announced that it has begun the standardization of the DVD-RW DL which it expects to be finalized by the end of 2005. The new DVD-RW DL discs will not be compatible with current DVD players, since their reflectivity value is not within DVD specifications (8%). The provided DVD-RW DL media are expected to allow recording at 2x, featuring a 2.66GB (8cm) as well as an 8.54GB capacity for 12cm discs.

Another interesting announcement is the possible standardization of the 12x DVD-R DL media in early 2006. Lastly, the 6-16x (CAV) recording speed for DVD-RAM (Class 1) will be available under the newly introduced "DVD-RAM2" logo. The reason for introducing a new logo for the 16x DVD-RAM recorders/media is that there is a need to distinguish it from the current DVD-RAM hardware (Class 0). The 5x DVD-RAM media will not be able to be written with current DVD-RAM recorders.

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(2 replies) #1 Antiprophet on 13 Oct 2005 - 15:56
thank god for that.
finally realised regions were a waste oftime and money.

omg, first comment.

Last edited by 116553 on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:11
#1.1 samo123_uk on 13 Oct 2005 - 17:30
isnt there a rule against people saying " oooo first comment !!! "
no body cares
#1.2 The Cub on 14 Oct 2005 - 01:57
I think you'll find that the phrase is "w00t first post" as I found out the hard way the other day But it's all good if you make a sensible comment along with it.

As for this news? Great, more bloody abbreviations to remember.
(4 replies) #2 raskren on 13 Oct 2005 - 15:57
Region encoding has never been an issue for me and I own probably close to 100 DVD titles. Maybe it is because I'm not into Japanese cartoon porn.
#2.1 brianshapiro on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:53
or other foreign films, i guess
#2.2 Chicane-UK on 13 Oct 2005 - 17:17
Its not just porn or foreign films. The problem is that the USA often gets certain movies way before they are released in other regions.. so people want to see them as soon as they can!

Also I picked up a few American / Region 1 special editions a few years ago when there wasn't a comparable version over here - Terminator 2 : Ultimate Edition (which didnt see a Europe release for another year or so) and the same with a 2 disc edition of Independence Day!

Oh - and for the record, I don't own any manga porn, weirdy foreign flicks, etc etc - just normal movies, TV shows, and have about 120 DVD's
#2.3 brianshapiro on 13 Oct 2005 - 17:19
i dont watch 'weirdy' foreign flicks either. im an american, and there are some very good european movies--some of them even had been in theaters here--where there are no north american region dvds sold. like, the girl on the bridge

i also don't know why you like independence day enough to buy a special 2 disc edition of dvds
#2.4 coolchan on 13 Oct 2005 - 18:28
I guess you don't buy tv series then. Many of the get released in UK way before they do in US. I think it's because of the licens rules are different in UK so they can release them early there

And I think the DVD region crap is the dumbest thing ever. Although I bought my first DVD player in 1998, it was a region free one from Philips
#3 ipodman715 on 13 Oct 2005 - 15:59
wow nice!
#4 Express on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:03
Hooray!
#5 Hottoast on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:04
Oh thank God. All my hopes and wishes have come true.
#6 DirtyLarry on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:04
About time. Seriously.
(3 replies) #7 bucko on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:21
I think we know that HD-DVD will come out on top now
#7.1 roadwarrior on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:45
This article is not talking about HD-DVD (the drive format = High Density DVD), but HD DVD (the video format = High Definition DVD). The video format has nothing to do with the drive format, other than sharing a confusingly similar name (notice that the drives have a "-" in the name, the video format does not).
#7.2 IGx89 on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:48
What in the world are you talking about, roadwarrior? They are most certainly talking about "HD-DVD"; none of this applies to Blu-ray.
#7.3 Jugalator on 13 Oct 2005 - 21:03
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none of this applies to Blu-ray.

Hmm... So has Blu-ray released info about their thoughts of region coding yet?
#8 digistil on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:23
Does anyone think the movie studios will allow their movies to be sold as region free? The movie studios are the ones that wanted the regions in the first place, so that consumers could not gain access (as easily) to movies before they are released in local theaters.
#9 Tungsten T on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:23
2 Thumbs up
(1 reply) #10 ChopSuey on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:34
Woo hoo... My first news post.
#10.1 Express on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:42
A nice informative post. Thanks.
#11 MrStoo on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:51
Thank god its come true lol, well done.
#12 Dee on 13 Oct 2005 - 16:58
Looks like a strong "maybe" according to the post. We'll see how it plays out.
#13 rIaHc3 on 13 Oct 2005 - 17:03
+1 for HD DVD movies...
#14 mr_demilord on 13 Oct 2005 - 17:24
For in it's place we have DRM
I am getting old with all the diferent formats. :sleep:
#15 vetSMeK on 13 Oct 2005 - 18:29
One step closer to world unity, or something
(6 replies) #16 joeydoo on 13 Oct 2005 - 19:06
Everyone I know here in the UK has a multi-region DVD player. I have has 2 DVD players since 1999 and won't consider buying a HDDVD player or Blu Ray player that doesn't play my non region 2 discs (for up-coding to HD). As for the actual new HD discs, I won't be buying a player that can't play discs from anywhere I chose to buy them. Region 3 or 4 identical versions of western films are usually half the price of the 2 or 1 versions. The same would apply in the future I should imagine and I don't want to buy a box that means I can't get the bargins international commerce allows. This isn't really news though but since Blu Ray looks like it's going to win and that leaves the choice of regional restriction with the studio that produces the disc, what HDDVD do doesn't matter too much (Although I suspect that the DRM on the HDDVD will still allow studios to restrict films by region). That will make region restrictions a mine field for the consumer as some films might be allowed and some won't.
#16.1 roadwarrior on 13 Oct 2005 - 19:55
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This isn't really news though but since Blu Ray looks like it's going to win and that leaves the choice of regional restriction with the studio that produces the disc, what HDDVD do doesn't matter too much (Although I suspect that the DRM on the HDDVD will still allow studios to restrict films by region).


As I said in a reply earlier, this has nothing to do with HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. This is about HD DVD specs (note the lack of a "-" in that?, there is a difference between HD-DVD and HD DVD).

HD DVD <> HD-DVD

HD DVD == video format (High Definition DVD)
HD-DVD == one of two competing drive formats for next-gen media (High Density DVD)

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#16.2 TRC on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:18
Uh, isn't Blu-Ray also going to have a video format? So it certainly does have something to do with Blu-Ray. Also this is the first I've heard of two completely different HD DVDs. Source? Oh yeah, and the last D stands for disc, not dvd.

DVD's can be used for both data and movies. We don't have two different formats called DVD.
#16.3 roadwarrior on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:43
Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will both use the same video format (HD DVD), just different disc formats.

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Oh yeah, and the last D stands for disc, not dvd.

Where did I ever say that it did?

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DVD's can be used for both data and movies.

I'm well aware of that. That is precisely why the original name for DVD (digital video disc) was changed to Digital Versital Disc.

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We don't have two different formats called DVD.

Again, where did I ever say that?

#16.4 TRC on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:49
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Where did I ever say that it did?


"High Definition DVD"
"High Density DVD"

I was just nitpicking though, I know what you meant.

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Again, where did I ever say that?


I was just using that as an example. Since we don't need two DVD formats for both data and movies why would we need two HD DVD (HD-DVD) formats? Again this is the first time I've ever read anything about there being two seperate HD formats.
#16.5 dagamer34 on 13 Oct 2005 - 21:20
HD DVD = the actual format of the data on the disc.
HD-DVD = how that data is stored on a disc in terms of the way the disc is made and manufactured.
#16.6 TRC on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:10
Right, but it's still the same disc. There is just one HD-DVD. There isn't some second HD-DVD format that isn't competing with Blu-Ray.
#17 Kushan on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:39
I wonder if this is just their way of saying that they'll enforce some other means to stop disks being played in different regions.
Such as some kind of DRM that prevents the disk being played in Europe before it's European release (But will play fine in an american player).
Wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that.
#18 roadwarrior on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:41
edit: replied in the wrong place
(1 reply) #19 neufuse on 13 Oct 2005 - 20:45
in other news... blu ray recorders support adding regions so... guess blu ray will have region encoding
#19.1 Jugalator on 13 Oct 2005 - 21:05
In that case, it may support it, but whether it'll be used is another question.

If HD-DVD takes off and companies starts releasing region-free movies on those, I doubt they'll code them if they'd also distribute movies on Blu-ray. I mean, it would make it so hard to compete with such codings, unless they had some sort of advantage in lack of DRM while HD-DVD didn't.
(3 replies) #20 NextGen_Gamer on 13 Oct 2005 - 21:41
Well, you guys have got exicted about something that may not even matter. Read VERY carefully: "unveiled that the upcoming HD DVD Video titles may not be regionally restricted as in the case of DVD Video." Keyword: "may." As in, it is up the individual movie studios to decide whether or not to make their movies region-free. And considering how many of them are in love with the current DVD's region-encoding, I'm guessing not many will support it. However, the fact that the option is there is still nice, even if it is never used for anything other than "dirty" movies.

One thing I don't like is the naming behind HD DVD-RW, which actually isn't re-writable, but more like a DVD-RAM disc. The seperate, re-writable standard is called HD DVD-RR, which is just going to confuse people. They should really rename HD DVD-RR to HD DVD-RW (to keep it in-line with the current CD-RW, DVD-RW, and DVD+RW standards), and then just think up of a completely new name for their current HD DVD-RW disc.

Oh, and the new DVD-RW DL standard has gotta be kind of pointless since it requires a new drive to use. A DVD-RW DL disc will only hold 8.5GB of data, so it would be much better to wait an extra month or two and pick up a drive capable of burning HD DVD-RR (at 15GB).
#20.1 TRC on 13 Oct 2005 - 22:12
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isn't re-writable, but more like a DVD-RAM


Uh, DVD-RAM is rewritable. I agree about the naming though.
#20.2 roadwarrior on 14 Oct 2005 - 13:22
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Read VERY carefully: "unveiled that the upcoming HD DVD Video titles may not be regionally restricted as in the case of DVD Video." Keyword: "may." As in, it is up the individual movie studios to decide whether or not to make their movies region-free.


That "may" could be taken two different ways though:

"may not" could, as you point out, mean that they "may or may not" be region coded, at the discretion of the studio, or, since this is coming from the people setting the standards, "may not" could just as easily mean discs are not allowed (by the standards) to be region coded.

Unfortunately, without hearing the way that this person said it (their intonation would tend to clarify the meaning), it's impossible to tell exactly what they meant. That is one of the bad things about this language.
#20.3 MaxMonster on 14 Oct 2005 - 21:57
geez. We all hope you feel better now.
#21 denzilla on 14 Oct 2005 - 03:40
Now if only game console makers and game publishers would "get it".
#22 williamhook on 14 Oct 2005 - 05:14
At last!
#23 Mozgus on 14 Oct 2005 - 10:44
DVDs can also be region free. Guess hdvd want to win a few extra fans in here but like they said ... hdvd can also suport region code and the movie industry will use it.

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