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Software Converts iTunes Songs... But Is It Legal?

Fred Derf   on 29 October 2005 - 15:56 · 64 comments & 19698 views

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HotRecorder for Media converts songs from iTunes and Yahoo Inc.'s music service into standard MP3 files that can play on any MP3 device. The resulting files can then be played on devices that do not support copy-protection.

HotRecorder operates in a similar fashion as many other programs, it grabs the sound, in real time, as it travels to the computer's sound card for playback, the point at which music is unlocked from any copy protection. The software is able to block noises from other applications and it creates a separate MP3 file for each song.

The software was formally released on Thursday for the initial price of US$19.95 but the company says it will increase to US$29.90 in two months.

The company's founder, Mookie Tenembaum, has said that his company merely provides the software and cannot police its usage. However, Apple and Yahoo both have service terms that forbid circumvention of copy-protection technology. If HotRecorder cannot be found to have legitimate uses then it may find itself it legal trouble including a possible court injunction blocking it from sale.

News source: The Globe and Mail

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#1 fred666 on 29 Oct 2005 - 15:53
Real time extraction is certainly a negative but it is faster (and less of a hastle) than burning copy-protected files to a CD then ripping those files into MP3s.
(1 reply) #2 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#2.1 fred666 on 29 Oct 2005 - 16:08
MuvAudio's website does not specifically say that they deal with iTunes or Yahoo music files. This might just be for legal reasons, however.
(1 reply) #3 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#3.1 fred666 on 29 Oct 2005 - 16:13
1. That is possible. They are risking an already established business.

2. JHymn is not compatible with purchases made with iTunes 6.0 nor does it appear to work with Yahoo music files.

3. Is it legal for the iTunes / Yahoo music license agreements to restrict existing "fair use" laws?

4. The original reviewer (see the full article) reported a problem converting a few of his songs. Some of those did work on another computer that he tried it on.
(1 reply) #4 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#4.1 fred666 on 29 Oct 2005 - 16:20
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Boy, what a bunch of idiots to introduce a new software product on such marketing conditions...They sound just like peer to peer networks saying they can't help how people use it. By such an admission, it is quite obvious the software's original intent.


I agree, they seem to be asking to be sued.
(1 reply) #5 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#5.1 fred666 on 29 Oct 2005 - 22:43
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What a stupid question - of course it's not legal. Any software that has anything to do with removing any type of DRM is illegal.


What makes this is somewhat interesting story is that the company is somewhat brazen about its purpose: HotRecorder for Media

The company is a division of United Virtualities Group which, if you read the full article/review, is not a small unknown company. It would seem to me that they are taking a legal risk. Will Apple and/or Yahoo sue to block the sale of this product?
(1 reply) #6 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#6.1 fred666 on 30 Oct 2005 - 01:12
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oh ok, so if I buy a song from the iTunes music store and I want to play it on my omnifi in my car that only supports mp3s, then I guess I'm out of luck. You know, there ARE legitimate uses for a program like this...


That may be legal according to "fair use" but it is a violation of the iTunes license (for people who read and care about EULAs).
(1 reply) #7 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#7.1 fred666 on 30 Oct 2005 - 01:15
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You can do this yourself with a wav recorder that you get with most sound cards, is this the same thing?


This is a one-stop tool to go directly to a MP3 file. I think it is targetted at "regular" users rather than technical wizards (who can probably use the free tools).

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