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Long Standing Bug Still Plagues Thunderbird Users

Shane Pitman   on 02 November 2005 - 13:09 · 29 comments & 3647 views

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Credit goes to [NFC]Wave for bringing this long standing issue to my attention and for many hours attempting to come up with a decent solution.

Are you a Mozilla Thunderbird user who lives in an area that observes Daylight Savings Time? Is your computer running a Windows operating system with FAT or FAT32 formatted drives? If so, chances are you may have experienced problems with Thunderbird since the change from Daylight Savings Time went in to effect earlier this month. A long standing bug that causes severe performance issues and has existed in various stages of the Mozilla project now known as Thunderbird continues to plague users despite having a history of bug reports that have been filed via Bugzilla, Mozilla’s online bug reporting tool.

Users experiencing this bug state that when they initially open Thunderbird, their Inbox shows nothing, staying blank as the application says that it is checking for new e-mail messages. Users closing the application and re-opening it find that it displays the status as "Rebuilding", eventually reloading, but taking 2 minutes or more to do so. They also report that whenever Thunderbird is open their computer becomes very sluggish and unresponsive.

Several users have reported that compacting their folders and removing all old messages from their Inbox may provide a solution to these symptoms, while still others have reported having to delete corrupted .msf files from their Thunderbird profile, then re-open Thunderbird and perform the compact routine. While these options may provide relief for frustrated users, they hardly qualify as a solution to the problem.


When contacted for input on the issue, a Mozilla spokesperson said that with 35 languages across 3 supported platforms (Windows, Linux, and Mac) the list of bugs suspected and reported via the Bugzilla reporting and tracking tool can sometimes be massive. The spokesperson went on to state that while the Bugzilla lists can often be overwhelming, a significant number of submitted reports often times just don’t contain enough information to be of assistance when it comes to tracking down a particular problem. As I witnessed myself, there are pages of comments on this bug alone, and many of them contain no technical information to assist the developers, but merely contain frustrated comments such as “this was broke back in version x.xx and it’s still broken, when will it be fixed.” While it is understandable that posts like that are submitted by users who are at the time, frustrated with the situation, it is also true that they provide no value whatsoever to the bug tracking process. The Mozilla spokesperson also stated that of those issues reported, first priority has and will always be security issues, and then issues that are more widespread and have the potential to disrupt the usefulness of the product to the most users, which is understandable.

In the end, this bug has existed for quite some time, and Mozilla is aware of it. However it only rears its ugly head twice a year, at the change to and from Daylight Savings Time, and coupled with the fact that not everyone observes Daylight Savings Time, it just doesn’t get enough attention from the end user to warrant investing a lot of time and resources in to fixing, at least not in the current release of the software. The Mozilla spokesperson did say that v1.5 is due out in this quarter, which is rapidly drawing to a close, and that Release Candidate 1 would be released very soon. With so many changes in this new version including some significant security enhancements such as anti-phising protection, the spokesperson said that it is possible that this issue may become a non-issue once v1.5 is released. Will it be fixed in v1.5? We’ll keep you posted.

View: Bug 136049 @ Bugzilla

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(1 reply) #1 Raa on 02 Nov 2005 - 13:37
Dont see why they can't use Maxthon....

lol :-)
#1.1 mikey on 02 Nov 2005 - 13:43
Maxthon as an email client?
(3 replies) #2 mikey on 02 Nov 2005 - 13:42
It didnt effect me, although i changed away from british summer time...
#2.1 Computer Guru on 02 Nov 2005 - 15:35
cuz u use ntfs
#2.2 mikey on 02 Nov 2005 - 23:48
Nope, still running win2k with fat32
#2.3 mr_demilord on 03 Nov 2005 - 08:19
Windows 2K uses UTC instead of localtime.
I think this issue is only for windows 9X/ME
#3 Smigit on 02 Nov 2005 - 14:40
Sounds like a widespread enough bug to me to warrent fixing. Twice a year for many users with daylight savings does sound like quite a lot of users to me. ahh well what do I know.

Perhaps if their release schedule wasnt being pushed by the syncing of versions between this and firefox they would have fixed this long ago. I dunno.
(1 reply) #4 bsquirle on 02 Nov 2005 - 18:34
Thunderbird installed on NTFS
Mail libraries stored on FAT32 (so I can use the same files in Linux and Windows)
= no problems here

QUOTE
it is possible that this issue may become a non-issue once v1.5 is released

so people will just have to wait until the next daylight saving time change until we know wether it's fixed or not?
#4.1 markjensen on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:04
I am guessing that it will not be fixed in the next version of Thunderbird.

It seems to be tied directly into the way that FAT stores the date/time (local time, verses UTC on NTFS). Bugzilla entry
MS KB entry
(5 replies) #5 {RU}Sirius on 02 Nov 2005 - 18:34
Quit using Windows 98 and format NTFS.
#5.1 matt74441 on 02 Nov 2005 - 18:45
That doesn't really sound feasable for some people with older computers now does it? Besides, you can use FAT32 on Windows ME, 2000, XP...
#5.2 Express on 02 Nov 2005 - 18:51
I say quit using software which has dependency on what filesystem you are using.
#5.3 markjensen on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:07
I say quit using software which has dependency on what filesystem you are using.

That would be the Windows OS. See the Microsoft Knowledgebase link in my post #4.1

All software (inlcuding stuff like LapLink) can be affected by the way that the Microsoft filesystems can report time.
#5.4 Mathiasdm on 02 Nov 2005 - 21:10
I bought an Acer laptop 3 days ago. It's FAT32-formatted.
One could say that's a bad thing, but it'll help when I start dual-booting again (don't want to start tinkering with the computer yet, I'll wait a bit ;-) ).
#5.5 Airlink on 02 Nov 2005 - 21:52
Fisrt off, you CAN use FAT32 on Windows XP. You shouldn't, and it's stupid to do so, but you can actualy install WinXP on an FAT32 volume.
Secondly, if you're still using Windows 98... why?
#6 bucko on 02 Nov 2005 - 18:53
It wasnt that long ago the clocks changed!
(1 reply) #7 Packet1009 on 02 Nov 2005 - 18:57
i do wonder if all this extra 'attention' will warrant a quicker than usual fix to this issue...
#7.1 shanepitman on 02 Nov 2005 - 21:39
That's a good question. It's one of the points that the Mozilla representative that I spoke with brought up. They don't get enough attention, enough heat over this issue, so it doesn't warrant spending as much effort on as other issues. Of course I can understand fixing security and day-to-day usability issues takes priority, but for something that has been plaguing this software for so long, it's time to nail it down and get it fixed.
(1 reply) #8 Buttus on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:07
i wonder what the connection is between the time change of 1 hour, and using fat32.... i can't figure out how the time change would have any reaction with what file system you're using... what if you move to a different time zone and change the clock, it does the same thing?

hmmmmmm
#8.1 markjensen on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:07
See the Microsoft Knowledgebase link in my post #4.1
#9 PatrynXX on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:20
I have this problem with Thunderbird on NTFS in the past. Right now my only problem is this js3250.dll that has been crashing since Oct 6th. Have had over 50 crashes on this file (think this is the right number) Nothing's been done about it. Completely reinstalled a clean copy of windows and the first thing that crashed after installing an older copy of Thunderbird that never had the problem.... yep this javascript error came up again. Gotta be something else.
#10 Stalk3r on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:45
Hmm didn't/doesn't affect me fortunately, although my situation is exactly as described by the newsitem (fat32, just switched to winter time etc.).
#11 GuidZilla on 02 Nov 2005 - 19:49
I was wondering what the deal with that was, it happened to me recently too. I was confused as hell because i've been using Tbird for so long, error free that it sure did freak out with style. Anyway, uninstalled, reinstalled and all is good now. Was definately a pain in the ass tho.
#12 vet[NFC]Wave on 02 Nov 2005 - 21:26
Purchased - Acer Ferrari 3200
Formatting - FAT32

This problem I was effected by. Together Shane and myself came up with the article you see before you (credit to him of course for writing it and speaking with a Mozilla rep, as well as putting up with my "OMG WTF IS WRONG WITH THUNDERBIRD rants).

I seemed to have fixed the problem by moving all the e-mails from my inbox, as well as deleting all .msf files.

I also spent a few hrs working with a Neowin member (Ghost96) who helped me re-arrange and do a little spring cleaning on Thunderbird which may have solved some of the issues as well.
#13 ~*McoreD*~ on 02 Nov 2005 - 23:27
Hint: Outlook 2003.
#14 Word on 03 Nov 2005 - 00:35
Arizona owns...no DST...otherwise I would have gotten a call from my dad who's running FAT32 "That T program thing broke I have to reformat" and I would have had to rush over there like "noooO!!!!"...He's more of a hardware type person lol....
(2 replies) #15 mFC_ on 03 Nov 2005 - 01:07
i would like to extend my apologies to anyone who still uses fat32
#15.1 rm20010 on 03 Nov 2005 - 01:37
*glares at USB key, camera and its CF/SD/MS cards, MP3 player, you name it*

FAT(32) is still widely used by these devices and medium. No wonder Microsoft tried to patent the filesystem after it was in widespread use.
#15.2 em_te on 03 Nov 2005 - 04:14
Well it really was a catch-22 problem. Either they fix it for FAT and ruin it for NTFS, or they fix it for NTFS and ruin it for FAT.

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Comment 30: For the people that this is happening to, do you have a FAT file system, or an
NTFS file system? I have a FAT file system. The article seems to state that this
only happens on NTFS file systems.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049#c31

Comment 36: using the nsILocalFile time stamp seems to fix the problem.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049#c36

Comment 50: I believe FAT and NTFS have different ideas about timestamps. So fixing it on
NTFS screwed it up on FAT. At least it looks like it...
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136049#c50

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