On day of its official launch of Visual Studio 2005, Microsoft Corp. is finding itself facing some tough questions around its bug fixing policies and plans. According to some bloggers, the much anticipated release of Visual Studio 2005, which is slated to ship Monday, following a vaunted launch event here, may be going out too early. For its part, Microsoft is committing to provide a service pack for the product but not providing further details.
Some bloggers, such as Ayende Rahein, said: "It's interesting to note that nearly all those bugs were known to Microsoft, but were closed because of time constraints. I'm shocked that even after countless CTPs [Community Technology Previews] and two betas, there are so many serious-you'll-lose-work-and-tear-out-your-hair bugs in the product. Refactoring is useless the moment you've a web project, period."
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Some bloggers, such as Ayende Rahein, said: "It's interesting to note that nearly all those bugs were known to Microsoft, but were closed because of time constraints. I'm shocked that even after countless CTPs [Community Technology Previews] and two betas, there are so many serious-you'll-lose-work-and-tear-out-your-hair bugs in the product. Refactoring is useless the moment you've a web project, period."
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free copy of VS2005 is pretty good for people like me, who aren't in MSDN.
I'll be in the liquor cabinet if you need me.
lets introduce Visual Studio 2005
Have you guys also noticed the download size? It is about 4.2 Gb ouch. Why can't they do something like with Visual Studio.NET 2003 where it is 700 Mb, and extracted size becomes about 2.3 Gb or something.
Still, I don't look up the performance from VS.NET 2005. It still uses a whole lot more CPU and memory than previous version. The only merit is the speedy .NET Framework 2.0
I developed some application based on the beta 2 of .NET Framework 2.0, and the characters all looked really pretty (with anti-alias feature).. and after I uninstalled the beta 2 .NET Framework and installed the final version, the application I compiled in Beta 2 now looked aweful. Guess I gotta recompile my program again to make it look the way it should be.
I am sure that some of the bugs will only affect a small number of users and others may affect everyone. I still find problems and bugs in software several years old even after packs, patches and updates...
If it is making you more productive and the bugs don't affect your work then good luck!
Just like my work / your work - time and financial contraints have to be taken into account.
Apparently MS doesn't study history. This type of business methodology is how the Japanese beat the living crap out of the big 3 Detroit auto manufacturers in the 70's and 80's. GM would ship a sub par auto knowing there was going to be a re-call down the line while Datson would scrap an entire completed shipment rather than release a flawed product to the consumer.
Guess we can all hope that Borland, Sun, or the OSS community release products that focus on quality in addition to the bottom line. Or maybe it is time for Google to release a development platform?
You think studying history will get your company into lean manufacturing mindset? Dream on! Jidoka is only the tip of the iceburg. There is NO way a big company like GM can change its corporate culture to fit into Japanese mindset. The joint-venture between Toyota and GM has been going for over a decade, and nope..GM never fully implemented the concept of lean manufacturing. They know the concept alright? They just teach it in classroom..nothing more nothing less.
delphi 2005 was the biggest turd i've ever used. my company reverted back to 6 after that one was released.
now we're on vs2005 and everything is going fine there.
I'll agree with that. I'd go as far to say Delphi 2005 is the most poorly designed piece of software in history.
I've also used VS.NET 2005 and it seems fine to me. I've played with it quite a bit and haven't experienced a single problem.
Unless you happen to be a developer, you have no business commenting on this. If you are a developer, I feel sorry for whatever company hired you. Fanboyism and development do not mix.
Tell us where you work so we make sure not to buy any of your "ok to be shotty" products.
Saying that, I still get daily crashes of VS .NET 2003 even when its patched up.
IMO, the integration with SQL Server far outweighs and negative stuff...
No, at Microsoft they made their fortune by selling crap, ripping people off, and illegally destroying the competition and they don't plan on changing their business model any time soon.
Don't hate the player hate the game.
The fields explorer will disappear and if I click on it fast enough to catch it while its still on the screen the entire vs2005 will just close. No error reporting... nothing: just dead.
This is very very bad considering I have to get this product out in the upcoming week or so.
Haven't tried new C# yet...
The VS in itself seam very slugish taking several seconds to perform evem the most basic tasks.
Also the Microsoft page for the Lauch Event said that the atendee's were going to get a complimentary full version of th VS and SQL server but they only gave out 90-day trials!
Ok! Ok! So obviously there WILL be developers commenting here, but it's sad to see so many attempting to sound like developers, when in actual fact they're simply trying to "get in on the action" so to speak.
But hey! Who am I to judge your simple spare-time activities?
Most of you fanboys do not stop to consider that tools such as this will be used to develop and deploy critical business systems by inhouse developers.
If you were a construction worker, would you want to rely on shoddy tools to do your job?
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