IFPI Launches Largest Attack To Date on Illegal File Sharing
Posted by Shane Pitman on 15 November 2005 - 16:37 · 62 comments & 2939 views
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#1 Posted by Ravensworth on 15 Nov 2005 - 16:38
- They are making more money on lawsuits than they ever did selling music. This must be their new business model.
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#1.1 Posted by insanekiwi on 16 Nov 2005 - 09:34
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looks like it..aka "consumption"
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#2 Posted by Zirus1701 on 15 Nov 2005 - 16:42
- 3,000 - legal fees > $20 / CD
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#3 Posted by xorian on 15 Nov 2005 - 16:48
- That's one hell of a way to make some extra money..
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#4 Posted by imcrazydammit on 15 Nov 2005 - 16:54
- But they have lost BILLIONS in PROJECTED sales. /sarcasm
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#5 Posted by Tommy2k4 on 15 Nov 2005 - 16:54
- I thought it said International Federation for the Pornographic Industry
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#5.1 Posted by shanepitman on 15 Nov 2005 - 16:56
- ^^ ...and you were looking for a signup form.
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#5.3 Posted by Gen.arg on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:33
- LMAO. i readed that 2.
on a side note, 3000 U$S are like 9000 $ pesos here (Argentina).
that makes 9000 / 25 each cd that makes: 360 CDS. a common person earns 500 / monthly. There is NO WAY to pay that amount of money. -
#5.4 Posted by lexor on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:41
- I'm right there with you on that one
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#5.6 Posted by hoginhaze on 15 Nov 2005 - 20:12
- Why is it sadly? I too, at first, read Pornographic ...
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#5.7 Posted by sigloiv on 15 Nov 2005 - 21:41
- I read it that way as well. Maybe it's because no one use a phonograph anymore.
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#5.8 Posted by ninjamunky on 15 Nov 2005 - 23:02
- i almost stopped all my downloads!
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#5.10 Posted by tiwaris on 16 Nov 2005 - 02:16
- I too thought, it was "Pornograhic" but then I knew, it could not be that and read it again.
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#6 Posted by Rfire on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:02
- About time something is done about eurasian piracy. If you like the music then BUY THE CD. It's high time thieves are brought to justice over there.
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#6.1 Posted by Malbojia on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:13
- How bout oversees, like jrock. I buy them it takes 1 month to 2 for them to get to my house. Then theres the duty, shipping fees and most of the time smells like sea salt the case so I need to make a backup right away.
Honestly it's faster to rip from a shoutcast station then I having to worry if my package got damaged lost or corroded. -
#6.2 Posted by beardedwonder on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:33
- Well how about they actually charge a reasonable fee, don't put copy protection, 'cos it's all crap and easily worked around, don't install rootkits on users machine's without telling them, and pay the artist a decent amount for their work. Also they should go sfter the people who actually profit from this, who sell the CDs etc. as far as i can see these people are the ones doing the damage as they're actually selling a product. /rant
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#6.3 Posted by Hova on 15 Nov 2005 - 18:12
- I'm for supporting artists any way I can. By buying the music I like, they get some money. Sure I dislike the amount they get, but downloading it means they get nothing from me.
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#6.4 Posted by beardedwonder on 15 Nov 2005 - 19:11
- You're also supporting an archaic system which is failing. The conduct of record companies over the years has been horrendous and it's about time they faced up to that, what with 'payola', forming cartels to inflate prices, crippling their products so i can't make mp3s to put on my mp3 player and forcing companies such as cdwow and play to raise their prices. So much for free-market.
Where's my compensation for the 200+ store-bought CDs i've bought over the years at inflated prices? -
#6.5 Posted by Julius Caro on 15 Nov 2005 - 22:35
- ^ THAT IS EXACTLY MY OPINION!!!
I couldn't have said it better.
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#7 Posted by Jugalator on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:05
- WHOA, an entire 15 people in Sweden was affected by this!!@
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#7.1 Posted by 8-n-1 on 15 Nov 2005 - 18:47
- Good thing they nipped it in the bud before the WHOLE COUNTRY was frantically downloading copyrighted material!
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#8 Posted by Lt-DavidW on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:09
- This is to make up for the money they lost through Sony's rootkit fiasco. But give them a break already - they need to make money somehow.
They can no longer get away with hacking their customers' computers, so apparently suing them is the next best money-making option. I know the IFPI and Sony are not the same corporation, but they are undoubtedly heavily reliant upon one another financially.
Do the customers mind that they are being treated like this? Well... most don't. Most have not even heard about Sony's rootkit (nor do they actually care).
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#9 Posted by [DGS] on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:15
- Does bittorent count? Is it considered P2P ?
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#9.1 Posted by Colonel_Angus on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:17
- bittorent is P2P
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#10 Posted by Sota on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:18
- Let's see. I BUY something with my own money....therefor I OWN it. What I do with it is my own damn business. When is somebody going to sue them for bogus copyright laws? The artist owns the lyrics and the notes, not the disc and the sound itself. With all this hoorah Sony has created, I am starting to retake my position on file SHARING. If I decide to let someone have what I purchased and OWN, that is my business. It is not STEALING. Stealing would be hacking into their servers and taking the music right from under them. When I pay for a CD at the cash register, it is not under the assumption that I am leasing the CD. I am buying it. Buying means OWNING....not leasing. All these bogus copyright laws are circumventing the laws of a capitalist society.....the right to ownership. If we were leasing the music (like Napster to Go), it would be different because we would not be own the cd/dvd.
When is someone going to put their foot down and say...you know what.....enough is ENOUGH. You guys are the ones breaking the rules ownership.
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#10.2 Posted by gliscameria on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:41
- That is all under the assumption that you can 'own' anything. The government reserves the right to take away your ownership of anything if it is for the public good. They can take your house if they want a highway/shopping mall, an invention that threatens national security or your rights on media you purchased because it 'hurts' a large industry. Their is no ownership, the indians had it right in the first place.
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#10.3 Posted by mrbester on 15 Nov 2005 - 18:00
QUOTE The government reserves the right to take away your ownership of anything if it is for the public good
That's for things like that unlicensed nuclear reactor you've got in your garden shed. Not a CD. In any case I reserve the right to tell any Govt. employee (police aren't Govt. employees BTW) to "git orf moi laaand".
QUOTE They can take your house if they want a highway/shopping mall
But you get some form of compensation for that. What you have with the music industry is an incorrect assumption that you're going to do something they don't like with it. So they wrap it up in illiberal laws pushed through by paid up politicians to ensure you don't own what you have paid for, when anything else you pay for is yours.-
#10.4 Posted by 8-n-1 on 15 Nov 2005 - 18:47
QUOTE Let's see. I BUY something with my own money....therefor I OWN it.
No, actually, if you have ever read any EULA, you are buying a LICENSE TO USE it. You don't own the software you "buy" either. I don't agree with it, but that's the position they're coming from.
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#10.5 Posted by Sota on 15 Nov 2005 - 19:54
- That is why I said it is a bogus law. A license to USE something is a lease. If you buy it, you OWN it. You are not leasing it. It is a matter of definition. Retail shops would go bankrupt if buying something at the cash register implied a lease. No, their EULA's are against the law. It is about time someone with the ability to stand up and shut them up.
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#10.6 Posted by veltgen on 16 Nov 2005 - 00:49
- "When is someone going to put their foot down and say...you know what.....enough is ENOUGH. You guys are the ones breaking the rules ownership"
When a congressman's daughter is sued. Furthermore, why are all the top positions in the MPAA/RIAA headed by people of the Jewish religion?
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#11 Posted by gliscameria on 15 Nov 2005 - 17:33
- Who cares?
Record companies need to adapt to the market and the times. If I can listen to just about every song I want to IN MY HOUSE for ~10/mo, how can I justify paying $20 for 12 songs so that I can listen to them IN MY CAR? Supply and demand. I'll listen to the radio.
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#12 Posted by soldier1st on 15 Nov 2005 - 18:02
- they should go after the rich who can afford those crazy high ammounts of cash.
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#13 Posted by Lino en Kuldes on 15 Nov 2005 - 18:19
- Argentina? Wow, at last my country takes a hit!
But it won't work here, people. Corruption everywhere, just throw a bone at the officers who go to your shop (yes, people here sell pirated material in shops in the mall like the most common thing ever) to raid it and arrest you, and you'll be back in business within 2 days. Seriously, I was actually AT one of those shops buying a t-shirt and the police came in. The place was closed 2 days and then it re-opened. Just like that.
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#14 Posted by VLR on 15 Nov 2005 - 20:57
- Brrrrrr I am so scareeeeeeeeeeeed!
VLR
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#15 Posted by Airlink on 15 Nov 2005 - 22:05
- So, don't get caught, people.
They can't sue what they can't find.
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#16 Posted by KoNStaNtiN on 16 Nov 2005 - 01:02
- Argentina? Crap, they are getting close to where I am (Chile)
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#17 Posted by Chipsk on 16 Nov 2005 - 01:12
- Dipsticks are going to send the world into anarchy by attacking file shares. The whole system that this world has will collapse leaving nations in ruin. And who will be their to blaim? Why bad copyright laws and The film and music industry of course.
The only reason why these morons are loosing money and are suing is cause people are downloading their ****ty films is cause no one wants to go pay 25 dollars to just see a big pile of crap. If they just listened to people and maybe lower the ****ing ticket price then maybe we would by their crap and maybe if most music artists just didn't suck. then maybe we'd actually buy their crap too.
And onto some others you know their cases in Sweden are SOL since Swedish law is very lenient on copyrights. And it'll take 10 years for people in the European Union to actually fix their laws to actually effect Sweden.
Oh on another fact they'll sue you even if you download episodes that were on TV and haven't been released to DVD yet. Though a Texas Judge had officially said it was legal since its like using a Video Recorder to record episodes.
God this day and age will be known as the golden age of stupidity if the music and film industry keep this up. Sueing just doesn't convince people to go buy music it just convinces them to pirate more and more. When will those morons get that through their atom sized brains?
Another nice little fact is that most artists out their don't care if you download their music cause it's like free publicity for them so you can go out and buy their stinkin album. So let's be smart here. The Music and Film industry are not helping themselves and are only creating more trouble than what they can handle.
They've already done it with one woman who they claimed was illegally downloading 50 cent rap music when she wasn't. let's wipe all our computers of these files "Keep backups in a iron tin buried in the backyard and sue them for claiming we had such stuff in witch we really didn't." Sound's crazy? Yes it is crazy and it's a crime to do but it just goes and forces the Music and Film Industry to stop using their criminalistic tactics of sueing people.
My little rant about those morons.
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#17.1 Posted by King Rilian on 16 Nov 2005 - 18:29
QUOTE Dipsticks are going to send the world into anarchy by attacking file shares.
Yeah, I can see it now...The world has more earthquakes, governments fall apart, famines, pestilence, people rioting in the streets, rape, pillaging, and the like...all because of law enforcement on people doing things that are illegal.
Dude, what's going on here is the OPPOSITE of anarchy. Anarchy is no government or law enforcement.
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#18 Posted by Tony_Yayo on 16 Nov 2005 - 01:53
- Comment Removed.
Do not circumvent the swear filter.
--matt74441
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#19 Posted by shawn on 16 Nov 2005 - 06:38
- They've arrested 33+ people here in Singapore for uploading music illeagally,while thousands have been issued with warnings for downloading pirated music....
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#20 Posted by diabulos on 16 Nov 2005 - 06:59
- Sadly, it brings up one rule: download but don't share, which defeats the whole idea......
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#21 Posted by trenzterra on 16 Nov 2005 - 08:16
- We get fined S$20000 here in Singapore. That's like the price of 1000 CDs.
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#22 Posted by J_R_G on 16 Nov 2005 - 08:20
- 2 Quests... How much do you have to share to be targetted, and do they target edonkey yet? Anyone know?
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#22.1 Posted by Jugalator on 16 Nov 2005 - 08:41
- I think the amounts haven't been revealed. In Sweden, 15 people sharing in total 150,000 songs were caught, but not sure how those amounts were distributed among the people. I don't think they're using a special number when deciding to sue or not. Not sure if eDonkey was targetted in this, but it has before for sure.
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#23 Posted by indiehead on 16 Nov 2005 - 10:22
- this just p***'s me off, i work hard to get where i am, i pay my taxes i don't sit around at home waiting for the dole money like so many of my former school mates (although none were really mates as it was the worst school i ever went to, 1 day there was like doing 3 tours in nam!); and then the bigwigs decide to dictate how i listen to the music that i bought the cd of.
ok so i don't own the music, but i do own a copy of that music and should be allowed to play it on whatever device i deem worthy, regardless of lease.
and then they go and dump massive legal costs on people who just can't afford it and never really paid much of a part in it rather than targetting the real culprits.
it's just plain lazy and exposes a very lax and un-professional means of conducting business.
you do not cultivate good customer relations by sueing the pants off the customer, it's just wrong.
personally, i say go back to school RIAA and IFPI, you obviously skipped way too many classes.
and sony, you failed your practical on compact disc protection, please try harder
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#24 Posted by King Rilian on 16 Nov 2005 - 18:26
- Bout time.
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#25 Posted by cyclingplatypus on 16 Nov 2005 - 19:46
- I thought it said pornographic not phonograpic
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#26 Posted by matt74441 on 16 Nov 2005 - 20:12
- Comments Cleaned Up
There have been some excellent points brought up in this story, which is nice to see.
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#27 Posted by beatlesdb on 16 Nov 2005 - 20:57
- I just feel sorry for all the little guys that they will catch, the ones that trade files now and again and don't really know what they are doing or really cause any harm - the big traders will keep getting away with it.
As long as there are all these little fish to fry, they won't look for the big operations. People are also less likely to share files if someone they know has been caught rather than reading about some big operation being closed.
Charges have been filed in Sweden, Switzerland, Argentina, Hong Kong and Singapore against file sharers who face both criminal penalties and payment of damages in a global effort that has seen thousands of defendants in other countries paying the equivalent of $3,000.00 US Dollars or more for sharing copyrighted music via p2p networks.
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