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Windows Vista December 2005 CTP (Build 5270) Review

Steven Parker   on 21 December 2005 - 12:59 · 47 comments & 4116 views

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A few days after the release of the Windows Vista December CTP (build 5270) Paul Thurrott has put up a comprehensive review of it and claims as expected to already know most -if not all, the features in the build before anyone else.
 
He starts off by saying: " I think people are going to be surprised by how good the Windows Vista December 2005 Community Technical Preview (CTP, or build 5270) really is." We are, right again Paul!

Snippet: "In a conference call with the press Monday, Shanen Boettcher, the senior director of the Windows Client group, announced the new features in the December Vista CTP build and inadvertently verified my earlier report that the next Vista CTP build will occur in February 2006--not January, as previously expected."
 
Part 2 is expected to go online today.
 
View: Part 1 of the Full Article @ The WinSuperSite

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#1 bush on 21 Dec 2005 - 13:04
setup looks great!
(2 replies) #2 hotdog963al on 21 Dec 2005 - 13:11
ROFL!! Look at those Extra Large Icons!! LOL
Good for Drunk People!
#2.1 Computer Guru on 21 Dec 2005 - 13:14
<P>They are SMALL be default. Apparently thrrot is one of of those 'extra-drunk people'</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>it can be changed by rightclicking on teh desktop.</P>
#2.2 Jugalator on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:28
Huh? He just demo'ed the feature.. :p
#3 Computer Guru on 21 Dec 2005 - 13:13
<P>I had a prelimary review out before him, with more features and hidden aspects... Screenshots, more featuers, and hidden secrets, soon </P>
<P>Note how he dated his article? "8-20???" </P>
<P>MS does not give him insider builds anymore I hear.... </P>
<P>http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/43</P>
(4 replies) #4 SkyyPunk on 21 Dec 2005 - 13:30
more screenshots, and a smaller review:
http://boxednews.com/vista5270/
[/shameless promotion] :p
#4.1 quick on 21 Dec 2005 - 14:40
Thanks, looking good...
#4.2 [bear] on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:09
Nice, thanks for that page. I was looking for some photos of flashy new vista stuff. Paul pretty much showed the new day to day features.
#4.3 d4t4b0mb on 21 Dec 2005 - 18:04
Is it possible to turn off that goofy flipping icon thing on the top of the start menu?
#4.4 Jon on 23 Dec 2005 - 12:09
*VERY* good choice of Christmas music there. That song is awesome to play guitar to!
(1 reply) #5 bjsharplin on 21 Dec 2005 - 14:10
I wish someone would metion the new restart/shutdown process. I don't like it. If I click the wrong thing there is no saftey prompt to save me. It just does it right away. If I meant to restart my pc and press shutdown, I have no option but to shut down. If I'm running remote desktop or something, this would be very bad.
#5.1 mram on 21 Dec 2005 - 20:52
If you mix in the total feature set and normal behaviours this shouldn't be that bad.

For example: When you're remote desktop-ing, the shutdown button is replaced by a disconnect button by default (at least in XP).

Also basic operations speak nothing to the application hibernation processes used with patch management. A restart or a shutdown -- even accidental -- that preserves application space data, along with an increased boot time, is almost a non-factor.

Time will tell how well it really works in the finished product once they decide specifically how to implement all their new features.
(2 replies) #6 quick on 21 Dec 2005 - 14:39
Looking much more polished, I'm impressed for the first time in a while... mind you i have only see screen shots and not even test vista yet. It's amazing how much that start menu button change makes, i never noticed the search bar in the start menu, nice to have it there rather then sitting on some big side panel or taskbar. Also it looks like they finally toned down the gigantic size of the title bar, with back forward buttons for blind people, Now its nice a trim.


#6.1 Ideas Man on 22 Dec 2005 - 00:26
I might be alone, but the start button looks odd without 'start' in it. When you think about it, unless you're a windows expert and know next to everything about it, telling someone to click their 'start' button, without the word start becomes mighty confusing.

The world is not filled with computer literates, and things like this WILL confuse, gawd I hope they put the text back in.
#6.2 d4t4b0mb on 22 Dec 2005 - 02:55
Is it really that hard to figure out that if you see a big glassy orb with the Windows flag where the start button was...that maybe you might wanna do something crazy like push it?
#7 sphbecker on 21 Dec 2005 - 14:55
Everything looks good so far; it is starting to look more and more like the OS I have been looking forward to.

My biggest concern is with the screenshoot of the Scale tab on the display settings dialog. There is a note at the bottom that says changes will require restarting. First, I find it odd that MS would take a completely new technology like this and implement it in a way that requires restarting (perhaps that will change in later builds). Second, the fact that it asks for a restart seems to imply that it is a system setting; I would want that to be a user setting. What if I have a really high-res display and I want to see as much information as possible, but my wife prefers the larger print?
(3 replies) #8 Zirus1701 on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:06
I can't stand this paul guy. I find him arrogant.

No we shouldn't. Comments like that could be bad for Neowin because if it were to actually happen we would be responsible. Don't mention it again.

--matt74441


Last edited by #8.1 [bear] on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:08
Wow aren't you childish.

I'm a mac user and vista has grown by leaps and bounds from the disaster it was a few months ago. Give Microsoft some credit and also.. Paul is just doing a review.. I didn't see anything wrong with that article.

Last edited by #8.2 sphbecker on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:31
What is your problem with this review??? If you are a Windows fan or not I don't really see how anyone could think it was a bad review.

Last edited by sphbecker on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:53
#8.3 aristotle-dude on 22 Dec 2005 - 19:05
Hey mods, if you are going to edit his comments fine but don't fill his comment up with your own opinions. Make your own for crying out loud.

It makes it look like a pack of wild dogs attacked the comment. Very unprofessional.
(1 reply) #9 vladtm on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:22
in my opinion,5259 waz faster then 5270 ...
#9.1 toadeater on 21 Dec 2005 - 23:39
That is not surprising. You will see Vista continue to slow down as more of its post-XP features are introduced. This only exposes how much Vista is yet another mediocre, Frankensteinian revision, rather than a complete overhaul as MS always claims its OSes will be (remember how "revolutionary" XP was supposed to be over 2K?). MS has to break away from the past the way Apple did, Windows is a sinking ship.
(2 replies) #10 Matt500 on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:47
Everything looks ok, apart from that hideous circle start button
#10.1 sphbecker on 21 Dec 2005 - 15:55
Hey, its an orb! It is growing on me; I didn't like it at first either. Compared to the XP start button it looks sharper and take less space on the task bar.
#10.2 KriTenKs on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:07
lol, i was just looking through screenshots and to my suprise the orb has grown on me aswell. Im not a huge fan but anythings better than the old start bar.
(3 replies) #11 SwitchBlade on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:07
How many versions of vista will there be? xp was home/professional. Reason i ask is when i buy my copy, i want the version which doesnt need a previous version to run. I like doing fresh installs!

#11.1 Jugalator on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:30
#11.2 d4t4b0mb on 21 Dec 2005 - 18:07
You can do a fresh install of every upgrade version of Windows that I can think of. The setup will just ask for the prior version disk to verify you own it. It doesn't actually copy any files.

Why is this in bold? Neowin REALLY needs to fix their front page formatting. This looks retarded.
#11.3 sphbecker on 21 Dec 2005 - 19:59
That is correct, you can do clean installs with the "upgrade" version of Windows, it will just prompt you to insert the older Windows CD to prove you have a copy. I am not sure in what ways MS will change this in light of their new copy protection, but I am sure MS would not take away your option to do a clean install.

If I had to guess, I would say that Vista might need to "deactivate" you copy of XP. This would probably work in the same way as an activation, but it would add a flag in MS' database that your XP key has been used for an upgrade and can no longer be used to activate XP installations.
#12 matt74441 on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:42
Comments Cleaned.
(1 reply) #13 JoDaddy on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:44
Is it just me or are all the fonts below Zirus' comment orange? I really like the color chooser. But can I only change the color of the whole thing, or can I change each individual item like I've always been able to?
#13.1 sphbecker on 21 Dec 2005 - 17:49
I see that to, probably an unbounded HTML tag.
#14 Galley on 21 Dec 2005 - 16:55
Wow, the interface looks a whole lot better with this build.
#15 bucko on 21 Dec 2005 - 17:12
Good read, looks like they are trying to finish things now .
#16 ViperSnake on 21 Dec 2005 - 17:21
Woowee! Biggee size and Mini Sized icons, finally something that will reduce the cludder on my desktop without major hacking in Display Properties!
#17 marlow714 on 21 Dec 2005 - 17:55
Very nice MS! The orb is super nice, love it. That glass effect is also extremely sweet. You can really see the effect in vista5270_088.jpg. Can we control the amount of blur? They should show a few updated grabs of the switcher in action! I can see the quicklaunch on the dock..umm...taskbar was left intact - good move MS! Gald to see MS is keeping industry standards from WAY back - why change them - they work while others just try to copy.

Why don't the moderators keep those troll posts up? I just love to read all the mac fanboy posts! We get a real perspective on how ignorant people can be!
#18 Viscera on 21 Dec 2005 - 19:19
I'm loving it more and more.
#19 jpcahn on 21 Dec 2005 - 22:53
In response to anyone talking smack about Paul let me relate a story.
I was at the Office 2003 roadshow and he was one of the presenters. I went up to him during one of the long breaks and asked him about a few of the new features and programs like OneNote. He spent 2o minutes or more going over everything with me and answering all my questions. He is a very likeable and approachable guy in person and has proven that he is not afraid to speak up when MS makes a mistake.
This is just my experience but he was a great guy to me. On a related note I emailed John C Dvorak after one of his columns was related to an experience I had and he emailed me back that day. He seems like a great guy too.
(1 reply) #20 jim87654 on 22 Dec 2005 - 00:41
They have practically relegated one of most innovative features in Vista: Virtual Folders on the back burner.

Sad.
#20.1 mram on 22 Dec 2005 - 02:31
Not necessarily. The technology is there, WinFS is in development -- the only thing remaining is the presentation on Vista for both phases of deployment.

There's a huge difference between saying Virtual Folders is "out" vs saying it's not as obvious. From where I'm sitting, this isn't horseshoes or hand-grenades -- the technology is in there.

The reality is that most people don't deploy new-fangled technology as a forefront item -- they're always going to test then build based upon their own results. How well do you think Virtual Folders would've fared had they made it the defacto new folder item? It would've been overly confusing for the standard user.

Spit'n'polish, spit'n'polish ... it'll get there.
#21 [DGS] on 22 Dec 2005 - 07:07
#22 lbmouse on 22 Dec 2005 - 19:02
Throughout these ages
our operating systems
infested by bugs

The ignorant world
turns to Vista for safety
Safety from themselves

It is now the time
for the world to realize
that we all feel pain
(1 reply) #23 aristotle-dude on 22 Dec 2005 - 19:09
Well Windows is getting their own iCal-clone now as well as a few other features nicked from Tiger.
#23.1 marlow714 on 23 Dec 2005 - 13:54
Aristotle-dude - stop trolling. You do nothing but try to start flame wars. Get a life and deal with it. You might want to seek professional help with this, it's not healthy at all.
#24 Lt-DavidW on 22 Dec 2005 - 23:06
#25 hardgiant on 23 Dec 2005 - 06:01
It looks like it's going to get very bloated before it's all said and done. Going to need a a lot of memory to run it compared to Windows XP.

Probably won't be very popular until 2008.

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