Microsoft IE7 Beta 2 Public Preview
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#1 Posted by Daffy_Duck on 31 Jan 2006 - 17:50
- better.
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#1.1 Posted by tapo on 31 Jan 2006 - 22:13
- No, much, much worse than IE 6. This program is ugly, it renders badly, and it's just a pain to use. For some reason, whenever I create a new tab, it says "Christian Hammond" for a second.
Terrible, terrible product, and Microsoft has lost me as an IE user completely. PC Mag seems to agree with me.
"But it's a beta!"
I've been using Firefox since it was an alpha release of Phoenix 0.1 and came in a zip file, with no installer. Even that build was better than this.
Come on Microsoft. Regardless of quality, the whole world is going to be using your software because that's all they know. So please try to make the final version good. -
#1.2 Posted by threedaysdwn on 01 Feb 2006 - 03:14
- Also, this is NOT BETA 2 despite what the news post says. It is a "Beta 2 Preview" - ie. a pre-Beta 2 build.
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#1.3 Posted by tapo on 01 Feb 2006 - 06:17
- I was comparing it to an alpha of version 0.1, your point?
And secondly, "But it's a beta!" meaning it's feature-complete (or near feature-complete) development software, not going with Microsoft's versioning scheme. -
#1.4 Posted by threedaysdwn on 01 Feb 2006 - 07:17
- First off - it isn't even a beta. It's more like a CTP. And beta software isn't for novice users like yourself. It's not meant for production environments. It's not meant to be perfect. It's not finished. It's a preview of what is to come - and I think it's showing great progress.
Tell me... How could a company possibly "lose you as a customer" with a pre-release build? Based on your other comments, I don't think you're even an IE user... so how did Microsoft "lose" you with this release? I think you're full of it.
Second, this preview is looking quite good. It has an updated (and in-progress) UI, a hugely overhauled rendering engine, huge performance improvements, and features that many users have asked for... including tabs, RSS consumption, OpenSearch support, improved Favorites and History, and more. -
#1.5 Posted by Jugalator on 01 Feb 2006 - 10:04
- If he's successfully been setting up and using Phoenix alpha's, he's hardly a novice user, and just one of your assumptions or excuses, and it's insulting of you to assume that.
Your argument about MS losing him as a customer is based on another assumption of yours ("not an IE user"
so I won't comment that.
I have to give it to the IE team they're catching up with the world quite well these days, as for a modern renderer (although still not aimed as highly as in competing browsers according to the public IE team plans I've heard), RSS support, tabs, etc.
The state of this preview build clearly shows they've been in a slumber for several years though, with competitors being similar in features, but with the major difference of using production quality code.
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#1.6 Posted by mram on 01 Feb 2006 - 16:21
- Gee, tapo, do you know the definition of "develop"?
I'm not trying to make excuses on behalf of MS. Seriously. Phoenix 0.1 might have been the most solid build ever, but I've seen some crappy development cycles in my day and there have been some really crappy versions of products that I'm damn sure you use regularly that failed to even function effectively up to the release candidate build. So don't be a total hypocrite and claim that just because you don't like a work in progress that the final product will be bad (and you do, by claiming that MS "lost you as a customer completely" based upon this build alone).
Between the last publicly released build and this one, the UI changed, function changed, features changed. I'm sure it'll change again and get faster and better. Ugly is subjective.
...and your "Christian Hammond" display is a result of something you've upgraded on top of. This is not a function of the product. -
#1.7 Posted by tapo on 01 Feb 2006 - 17:31
- I'm well aware this is a development build, but I'm not a fan of the current direction that Internet Explorer is taking. I'd like a new rendering engine, and tabs. I don't need an interface that looks like a horiffic version of Opera.
I did mention "So please try to make the final version good." because I think they can rely on criticism from me, and other users of IE, to make future builds of their product better. I thought the same thing about the Gaim 2.0 beta, so did others. Rather than standing behind "This is a beta!", the developers have responded to criticism by changing things their users didn't enjoy. I hope Microsoft does the same.
Microsoft "lost me" with this release by showing that after constant development, Internet Explorer still isn't what I want in a web browser. I don't hold any grudges against them. If Microsoft releases a stable, clean browser with a new and standards compliant rendering engine, and has some things I need that Firefox doesn't have, I'd be perfectly willing to use it.
In my opinion though, IE 7 is worse then IE 6, and becoming another browser I don't care about, with useless clutter. Just like Netscape 8. I'll try the final version, for Vista and for XP. But if they continue on this same track, I'll still hate it. -
#1.9 Posted by threedaysdwn on 04 Feb 2006 - 07:31
- How is a more compact UI and much improved rendering "worse than IE6?"
I'll completely agree that the UI still needs work. Some of the icons and button colors are completely out of place. And they really need to move the stop/refresh buttons back to the left side of the window where they belong.
But those are all things that can be fixed before Beta 2, and certainly before the final release.
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#2 Posted by some214 on 31 Jan 2006 - 17:55
- Before everyone starts trolling, mozilla developers didn't invented tabbed browsing.
Infact many neat ideas have been copied by them. The popup style and feed view(currently in develpment) are a couple from top of my head. -
#2.1 Posted by aristotle-dude on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:12
- The RSS feed view? Yeah, that was copied from Safari. :p
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#2.2 Posted by toadeater on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:24
- The difference between them and MS is that they don't act as if they did invent all these things. Anytime MS comes up with a new feature it's always "groundbreaking" and "advanced," when we've seen it done by shareware authors, academics and open-source before. MS spends most of its time making knockoffs of things made popular by others:
Original | The MS version
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Java | ActiveX, .NET
Netscape, Firefox | IE, IE7
OpenGL | Direct3D
OS X's GUI | Vista's GUI
Quicktime, Realvideo | Windows Media
Desktop Search | MSN Desktop Search
AOL | MSN
Google | Revised MSN Search
Flash | Sparkle
Firewalls | Windows Firewall
Antivirus | Windows Defender
I know I missed some. The point is, MS doesn't just copy anything, it copies things only after they have been made successful by the work of others. Why must MS attack everyone who innovates, even if they aren't direct competitors?
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#2.4 Posted by dhan on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:34
- Apple did not invent Desktop Search. In fact I remember I read about desktop search first time in Longhorn features back in 2003.
Same with firewalls & AV...MS never claimed they invented either of them. Sparkle is not flash killer. Firefox came after IE and has copied many features from IE & others. Yellow info bar was introduced by IE-SP2 which Mozilla copied
Original things MS did ? I don't know. I don't care. I like these things in Windows and its good Microsoft is putting them in.
But may be XMLHTTPRequest...if you know why it is important today.
Vista's GUI has nothing to do with OSX GUI.
I failed to see what WM has to do with QT/Real.
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#2.5 Posted by shao on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:35
- re:toadeater.
a fair point. A fairer point would be that microsoft don't only copy other peoples' ideas. Fairer to say they take ideas an innovate them beyond what was there originally. Maybe those innovations aren't as easy to see in some of your examples as they are in others, but they're there.
for example, for most windows users .net works. Java doesn't.
- IE works, netscape doesn't
- Windows media works, real media certainly doesn't
- msn desktop search works, google desktop doesn't (at least it throws up random results for me - and didn't microsoft invent the whole desktop / localised searching anyway?)
- MSN works in Europe and asia, AIM works in america
- I'll let you have msn search, although i'm personally beginning to find i get better results with it than google
- I'll let you have flash too, although to be fair, i have it disabled by default as 99.9% of all websites use it in the most annoying manner
- Windows firewalls work for end users - and lets be fair, if they didn't provide a basic one you'd complain
- Windows defender isn't Antivirus, it's antispyware. And i'll be honest, i find even the early beta to be exceptional - but then MS didn't develop it originally.
The point is, there is very little innovation going on at the moment, just lots of copying and name calling. Microsoft certainly aren't the worst at it. However, they sure spend a lot more money on research than most of the other companies who you claim have had their ideas stolen, and they sure come out with more original ideas than most of them too. Try not to be so one sided next time you try to raise a valid point.
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#2.6 Posted by dw2003 on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:35
- @shao - I totally agree
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#2.7 Posted by BuzZBladE on 31 Jan 2006 - 21:07
- in my opinion microsoft first invented tabbed browsing, with the taskbar at the bottom of your screen. its just firefox puts the bar at the top of the screen and everyone is ****ing amazed, even though you can do that by simply draging the taskbar to the top of the screen.
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#2.8 Posted by fubarshibby on 31 Jan 2006 - 21:30
- @BuzZBladE: No. That is not tabbed browsing. That is using the taskbar to sort through different windows. Tabbed browsing keeps your taskbar neat and organized, and it keeps the interface much cleaner. I know you say "in my opinion," but there are some times when an opinion cannot change fact.
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#2.9 Posted by dmt on 31 Jan 2006 - 21:34
- If taskbar was invented for tabbed browsing, then it took all the things from ListBox/Combobox So it seems like stolen
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#2.10 Posted by Lt-DavidW on 31 Jan 2006 - 21:56
- No.
'Tabs' do not equal 'tabbed browsing'. And I'd be surprised if Microsoft even invented the first GUI 'tabs'. And even if they did, what has that to do with multiple browsing windows per single application? -
#2.11 Posted by osirisX on 31 Jan 2006 - 22:25
- I believe the Phishing Filter is an original idea by Microsoft.
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#2.12 Posted by tapo on 31 Jan 2006 - 22:49
- Phishing filter is not an original idea. It was in Netscape 8, and later Firefox as an extension.
I made a rebuttal to almost every comment made in this thread here.
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#2.13 Posted by Shadrack on 31 Jan 2006 - 23:08
- frankly, i could careless if microsoft copies ideas to include in their OS and their software. Mac does it and so does Linux. As long as it is copying good ideas, I'm satisified. Them claiming that it was their idea in the first place is all just marketting babble.
Active X and .Net aren't anything like Java. I don't know where you got that from. Maybe .Net is in some ways, but certainly not Active X. Active X is more of an AppleTalk rip-off, but it works from a different angle then AppleTalk and emboddies more (and is much more difficult to understand and write programs that utilize). -
#2.14 Posted by net-cruizer on 31 Jan 2006 - 23:20
- lol, yappin about who copied from who, etc. etc, would be like saying eveyone, including MS copied Netscape by developing a browser period.
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#2.15 Posted by tapo on 01 Feb 2006 - 00:16
- To make a short post, about ActiveX without making my head explode:
Yes. I know. COM does this, ActiveX does that, and yeah. I hold my point. -
#2.16 Posted by Shadrack on 01 Feb 2006 - 02:26
- "lol, yappin about who copied from who, etc. etc, would be like saying eveyone, including MS copied Netscape by developing a browser period."
No... Mosaic is arguably the father of all modern day web browsers, period.
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#2.17 Posted by threedaysdwn on 01 Feb 2006 - 02:52
- Ummm, ActiveX (COM) predates Java... and isn't anything even remotely like Java. Java is a programming language. COM/ActiveX is a language-independent model for componentization of objects. I don't know how you could possibly confuse the two.
Perhaps you meant that browser-hosting of ActiveX controls mimics the browser-hosting of Java "applets" - which would have made a much better argument, had you known what you were talking about.
As for Desktop Search - we shipped Windows Desktop Search twice before Apple shipped Spotlight. We showed Desktop Search in Longhorn years ago. And to be frank, Microsoft did pioneer a lot of technology and concepts related to Desktop Search. And we will continue to do so with some incredibly innovative technology very soon. -
#2.18 Posted by alerosenfeld on 01 Feb 2006 - 15:55
- "We"... I just disconsidered everything you said. About the Java, you could say .Net copies Java, but that is not too fair. OO was there long before both, and doing a framework on top of it is not that new either.
I dont really agree with you that Microsoft innovates that much. It hardly creates its own ideas or its products from its own ideas. I just agree with someone saying that they really do spend a lot in research and their products are just very well produced. I just think that if Internet Explorer will be a copy of Firefox, it will be very good. And the RSS view is also very good (something that Firefox doesnt have, for instance).
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#3 Posted by djjasonsa on 31 Jan 2006 - 17:55
- Funky
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#4 Posted by Ricardo Clérigo on 31 Jan 2006 - 17:56
- I (L) IE7
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#5 Posted by b0m8er on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:00
- Finally - legal beta download!!!
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#6 Posted by Tech001101 on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:04
- sucks they don't have it available for at least windows 2000 SP4
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#7 Posted by Birger_Nord on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:05
- http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx
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#8 Posted by temo on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:10
- Awesome, this should take online browsing all the way to the year 2000!
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#9 Posted by zeke009 on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:12
- Nice find Birger_Nord! Thanks for the link.
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#10 Posted by LispyGlitter2 on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:12
- So it says Beta 2 Preview, and I tried downloading and installing and it says I already have it (I'm running the beta 1). So is this just a re-release for the masses, and not an actual Beta 2 build?
EDIT: Nevermind, got it working. Just have to uninstall Beta 1 first.
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#11 Posted by bobbba on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:13
- It seems to be out now at:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx
Sorry if this has already been posted
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#12 Posted by Digital Oracle on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:21
- What is the Build number of this version?
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#12.1 Posted by LispyGlitter2 on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:40
- 5296
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#12.2 Posted by cheesegoduk on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:54
- so er, older than the unoffical release of 5299?
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#13 Posted by Rob on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:25
- Wow. I have to say, I'm impressed. Rendering seems a lot quicker.
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#14 Posted by jeavis on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:26
- Woah ... it's actually quite fast. I still don't like it becuase of the lack of Shift+Enter & Ctrl+Shift+Enter functions. Other than that it's just like firefox with a different interface.
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#15 Posted by guru on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:29
- how easy it is to goback from ie7 -> ie6? incase ie7screws up something
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#15.1 Posted by Cyranthus on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:37
- just go to uninstall/ remove software in the control panel and be sure to check updates... find it in the list and delete. then reboot, easy as that.
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#15.2 Posted by Havin_it on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:40
- A side-by-side install would be the best, but I guess IE is still dug too deep in the OS for that
Ah hell - got to try it!
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#16 Posted by ncower on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:30
- Awesometastico.
Maybe I won't be using Opera now...
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#17 Posted by fantasticben on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:30
- Yaaaaaaaaaaaay! I'm happy cause I've gotta swap from Firefox due to it's poor intranet support and the fact that, for some reason, it can't load certain web pages (www.prince.org, for example) using my school's proxy.
So yeah..happy. I'll miss the fox though.
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#18 Posted by Carlson-online on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:33
- would build is it guys?
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#19 Posted by Cyranthus on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:34
- is this any different than the leaked version?
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#20 Posted by grunger106 on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:37
- Its build 5296
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#21 Posted by Stunna on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:38
- How easy is it to go back to IE6 ?
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#21.1 Posted by dbarnett on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:41
- See release note (http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/releasenotes/default.asp
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Reinstalling Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview
If you want to reinstall Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview (or install a new version) you must first remove the existing Internet Explorer 7 version. You cannot install Internet Explorer 7 over itself.
Uninstalling Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview
To uninstall Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview and return to Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP
# Click “Start,” and then click “Control Panel.”
# Click “Add or Remove Programs.”
# Check “Show Updates” at the top of the dialog box.
# Scroll down the list to “Windows XP – Software Updates,” select “Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2Preview,” and then click "Change/Remove."
If "Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview" does not exist, run %windir%$NtUninstallie7bet2p$spuninstspuninst.exe. You need to have "view hidden folders" enabled.
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#22 Posted by lunamonkey on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:39
- Anyone got any CSS hacks for this?
I'm gonna have to fix some stuff on works website
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#22.1 Posted by Havin_it on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:50
- You should look over the IE blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
I cannot point to a summary of the render-engine changes, but the main ones should be in there. However, how much of these changes are already implemented in the Preview edition is anyone's guess.
'course, if you write lovely clean xhtml/css code to begin with, it'll be a case of which hacks you can now remove -
#22.2 Posted by lunamonkey on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:00
- Thanks Havin_It,
Admittedly being in a IE environment at work, and still heavily supporting IE5, it's not always possible.
Hopefully, I can alter remove some of the moz ones for alternate hacks that IE7 will ignore.
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#23 Posted by NEOBassDUDE on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:42
- Wheres the x64 preview!
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#23.1 Posted by LoR*Evanescence on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:41
- Yeah, where is the x64 preview. I'm looking forward to this version.
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#23.2 Posted by huwnet on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:58
- Is was also wondering this!
The only way to install it on x64 is to use the standalone workaround
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#24 Posted by Moe Szyslak on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:43
- Is this a newer build than the leaked version?
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#25 Posted by BendeR1 on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:46
- No.
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#26 Posted by mad_onion on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:47
- well if this isnt a newer build then i dont think it is going to work for me, when i installed 5296 before it just kept asking me to connect everytime i clicked a link
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#26.1 Posted by Digital Oracle on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:49
- You better check ur Connections settings and check that Never Dail a Connection is ticked
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#27 Posted by Digital Oracle on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:48
- The leaked version is 7.0.5299.0, while this version is 7.0.5296. While obviously means this preview is a few versions old compared to what MS is releasing internally and via MSDN
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#28 Posted by SamNeeds on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:52
- Sounds great, tabbed browsing and all. If its good enough i may even drop Firefox for everyday browsing.
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#29 Posted by Munki on 31 Jan 2006 - 18:59
- Sweet!
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#30 Posted by qdave on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:08
- thats totally awesome!
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#31 Posted by shirike on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:10
- Pages render funny for me - see this image - http://www.heavymessing.com/images/ie7.png
It mighr be caused by Flyakite OSX System File Updater messing with the installation though
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#32 Posted by matt74441 on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:14
- Comments Cleaned.
This isn't a Firefox vs IE debate.
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#33 Posted by simeandrews on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:18
- Well, no that it's officially available, the questionis: should I leave my beloved Firefox?
This should be updated, this is officially on the IE page.
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#34 Posted by Mystr-.-Ajay on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:18
- nice.
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#35 Posted by signalpirate on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:27
- i have 5296 and then i updated to 5299... .and i'm dissapointed.. seriously.. its depressing.. its soooo buggy.. why they would release it to the public is beyond me
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#35.1 Posted by Digital Oracle on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:03
- What sort of bugs have u noticed?
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#36 Posted by Schnitzel on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:27
- Wowzers.
I normally never use BETA software, but I'm using this over IE6. It's just so much faster and nicer.
Love the tabbed browsing, was waiting for this really, didn't like the Firefox memory usage in 1.5.
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#37 Posted by Bob Marley on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:27
- WOW This is fast
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#38 Posted by kaffra on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:36
- is there some kind of cleartype option enabled by default for ie7? The fonts look weird, a bit streched and blury
edit: woops cleartype was enabled after all in IE settings
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#38.1 Posted by cheesegoduk on 31 Jan 2006 - 21:12
- yeah, annoys me how it seems to ignore the Windows setting to have Cleartype off. If I wanted it on I'd have it on! Same with the office beta
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#39 Posted by caerma on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:41
- great.
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#40 Posted by predator001 on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:44
- its much the same as the 5299 leaked build so i wouldnt be worrying too much.
it is fast and it is pretty stable and of course, being IE, it usually loads all those frontpage coded webpages better
CTRL+Q...nice idea but i cant see the point
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#41 Posted by Nighthawk-F117 on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:50
- If anyone knows how to make a search thingy for English Wikipedia and IMDB UK I'd be very greatful. WLM invites can be given if anybody actually needs them anymore...
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#41.1 Posted by neural-shock on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:49
- I'd like an invite
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#42 Posted by Bonbon on 31 Jan 2006 - 19:53
- Fantastic!!! It's about time MS
Can’t you just feel the revelation?
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#43 Posted by tiwaris on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:01
- Amazed and delighted.
Didn't expected so quick.
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#44 Posted by duntkno on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:05
- do you guys know how to make it so each new tab opens the home page instead of that blank thing?
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#44.1 Posted by BuzZBladE on 31 Jan 2006 - 21:17
- isnt it time you broke free from one homepage. personally i have my home set to about:blank so IE instantly pops up without having to load squat.
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#44.2 Posted by Havin_it on 31 Jan 2006 - 22:05
- ^Well, to each his own I guess
@duntko: looks like the Home button doesn't carry the mouse-functions for opening in a new tab (middle-click or Ctrl+click). Perhaps that will be added later, just to bring tab functionality fully into line with Firefox (sorry).
Meantime, you can always place your homepage near the top of your Favourites list, so you can go in there and middle-click or Ctrl+click it when you want a new tab.
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#45 Posted by dhruva on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:13
- doesnt works with sp1 and i dont like sp2
//regards
dhruva
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#46 Posted by physarl on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:16
- and one more thing to add..
Ctrl + Alt .. to show/hide menu options
it works better than Alt+Q...
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#47 Posted by Pure_BY on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:17
- Can anyone tell the practical difference between public 5296 build and leaked 5299 build??
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#48 Posted by ziadoz on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:26
- Neato! Seems good to me!
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#49 Posted by virtorio on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:27
- Finally they implemented a decent zooming function, although it's still much slower than Opera's. Scrolling on a web page was also terribly slow until I disabled Smooth Scrolling
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#50 Posted by plastikaa on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:29
- When I visited an MSN space in this beta is asked me to install direct X for Messenger Beta as it might be required - this most likely checked and found it for me and so then didnt actually do anything, im presuming therefore that if you dont have messenger beta it promts you to install it?
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#51 Posted by haydn82 on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:34
- Very funky and clean. My google toolbar seems to work really well with it too. I'm happy!
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#52 Posted by Koyder on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:36
- <sarcasm>Does it pass the Acid2 test?</sarcasm>
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#52.1 Posted by creamhackered on 31 Jan 2006 - 20:40
- And what browser does?
Update: Microsoft have now released Beta 2 as build 5296, download below.