Windows Vista interim build expected
Posted by Steven Parker on 16 March 2006 - 13:21 · 83 comments & 21614 views
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#1 Posted by kirk26 on 16 Mar 2006 - 13:29
- Cool thanks: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...#entry587314088
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#2 Posted by Nexx295 on 16 Mar 2006 - 13:30
- WTF?! My last comment vanished!
If it doesn't meet the CTP quality measurements, I don't know what's the point of this release... -
#2.1 Posted by Slugsie on 16 Mar 2006 - 13:37
- It's most likely that MS have done some stuff that they specifically want tested quickly, so they're chucking it out to the tech testers to play with.
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#3 Posted by *John* on 16 Mar 2006 - 13:44
- I wonder how close the "public beta" due in may will be to the final product........
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#4 Posted by stgeorge on 16 Mar 2006 - 13:45
- lol, delay delay delay, this crap ain't coming together until 2007 folks.
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#4.1 Posted by WindowsNT on 16 Mar 2006 - 14:07
- and what makes you an expert at when Microsoft RTM's Vista?
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#4.2 Posted by antaris on 16 Mar 2006 - 14:13
- stgeorge: All you seem to do on the forums is complain about Vista...
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#4.3 Posted by sphbecker on 16 Mar 2006 - 14:18
- How is releasing a build a delay? It seems that if anything it would be encouraging that MS feels enough has changed to warrant a new build so shortly after the last one.
It looks like MS is very much on track for a release this yet. I don't know if you have used the latest build, but it looks very promising. -
#4.4 Posted by Hurmoth on 16 Mar 2006 - 14:18
- Vista will be released in November
Vista is actually coming together nicely, albeit without some features I would like (such as EFI support). Nevertheless a release will be this year, I'm sure of it. -
#4.5 Posted by P1R4T3 on 16 Mar 2006 - 16:17
- Even though if the release will be 2007. I dont care that much, all I know is that a new windows is around and will be on my PC soon. But frankly, I like all the delays; because this means that we'll be getting a better product.
Now if they really want to take some more time with it, then they should put the EFI support, monad and WinFx. Its gonna be really great. -
#4.6 Posted by sphbecker on 16 Mar 2006 - 17:50
- "they should put the EFI support, monad and WinFx."
WinFX will be in Vista. It is WinFS (completely different thing dispute the similar name) that is being delayed until Longhorn Server.
WinFX is the new programing development platform that is replacing Win32.
WinFS is a part of WinFX that allows software writers to store complex and relational data without having to create their own file format or use a database. It basically adds database like features to the Windows storage system. NOTE: WinFS is not a desktop search system; instant desktop search has been in Vista sense the first Beta build.
My understanding is that Monad will be added to Longhorn Server, and I would assume for the sake of remotely administrating a Longhorn server from a Vista workstation that there will be some way of installing Monad on Vista post release. -
#4.7 Posted by Smigit on 17 Mar 2006 - 09:48
- isnt monad already running on XP in a pre release form? I'm sure it will work in Vista
Really there's no point in MS releasing monad with Vista on any of the home or the ultimate edition. It's really a specialised tool that very few users will want and they can download it. Better to keep it seperate since no general consumer will be able to make use of it anyway and it will just add 1 more icon to the start menu. -
#4.8 Posted by P1R4T3 on 17 Mar 2006 - 10:04
- sphbecker: I havent used vista yet. Do you mean that when searching a file in vista, it will not scan my computer for the file? Does it keep all file locations in some sort of "internal database"?
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#4.9 Posted by Ryster092 on 17 Mar 2006 - 11:54
- Yes P1R4T3, Windows Vista will keep an index of all your files and documents to enable almost instant search results when looking for files. However the index will also index keywords and even the content of certain files to make searching very very useful in Vista.
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#4.10 Posted by sphbecker on 17 Mar 2006 - 13:05
- Correct. Vista uses technology similar to the MSN Toolbar and Apple's spotlight to give you instant searching capabilities of all the files on your hard drive. The MSN tool-bar is pretty primitive (but works well); Vista has very powerful advanced search and filter options; you can then save the search criteria as a virtual folder. So for example, you could create a virtual folder of all Word documents modified within the last 3 months containing the name of your company. You wouldn't have to keep track of where those docs are located; just open the virtual folder (which is dynamical updated) and they will all be there. Vista also allows for instant searching of other computers running Vista (so long as you have authority on the other computer).
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#4.11 Posted by P1R4T3 on 17 Mar 2006 - 15:44
- I usually wait for about 30-40min when XP searches for a specific file. Sometimes explorer crashes or cpu usage goes up to 100%. This "indexing" feature is a real bless. But how will vista do it? I mean when you copy a file from a CD, how will vista know that there is a new file in the PC that needs to be indexed? Anyways, is there any link where the "mechanism" of this indexing feature is explained?
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#4.12 Posted by PCyr on 17 Mar 2006 - 22:16
- @ P1R4T3: I would guess that since the OS is handling the file copying, it would add the files to index while copying. That's just a guess.
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#4.13 Posted by yakumo on 17 Mar 2006 - 22:34
- I don't find ANY of these cataloging tools any good for the way I use a PC tbh, I don't tend to not know about the file contents, I just need to find the file itself, by name, fast, and not have something scanning away at my HD, even when I'm not using the system.
most of them ONLY keep track of the files they can catalog, but as a tekky it's normally DLL's or something I need to find te location of fast.
'Ava Find' is fantastic though, records files as and when you change them on the fly, instead of having to run a catalog every now and again (it only needs to do that the first time you run, or if you've been using the system for a bit with it disabled) instantly finds, and doesn't catalog the contents, and uses sod all resources as it's only tracking filename/location.
it's basically @locate with automatic instant updating.
but they seem to have stopped developing the damn thing a couple of years ago!! :o(
gutted.
I *really* wish someone would pick it up. bit of a UI fix, and fixing it occasionally accidentally locking a file for a fraction of a second files if your trying to delete many at once is about all that needs fixing. -
#4.14 Posted by P1R4T3 on 17 Mar 2006 - 23:07
- @yakumo: Is there any tool like the Vista files indexing for XP?
I dont like MSN search nor Google search. -
#4.15 Posted by freeeekyyy on 17 Mar 2006 - 23:54
- Pirate: Office has Findfast, which indexes files, I believe. XP also has bukt in indexing ,its just that its files only, no metadata. Just click search on the start menu, change preferences and choose 'with indexing.'
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#4.16 Posted by threedaysdwn on 18 Mar 2006 - 01:08
- To be clear:
Windows Vista includes a future version of the Windows Desktop Search engine. WDS is available for Windows XP/2003 today (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/desktopsearch/)
When you move/copy a file that is indexed by WDS, the indexer is notified (if it is running) immediately, at least on NTFS systems. By default, the current version of WDS won't process those notifications until your system is idle. However, if you have a reasonably modern computer, you can check the "prioritize indexing" box in the Desktop Search control panel, and it will process notifications instantly as it receives them. -
#4.17 Posted by Smigit on 18 Mar 2006 - 05:40
- "I don't find ANY of these cataloging tools any good for the way I use a PC tbh, I don't tend to not know about the file contents, I just need to find the file itself, by name, fast, and not have something scanning away at my HD, even when I'm not using the system."
Better scanning while your not using it than when you are surely? Most of these search tools will handle dll's ect if you get the right plugins ect and let the search search in the correct directories. By default most will only do my docs but.
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#5 Posted by hajj_3 on 16 Mar 2006 - 14:08
- this will prob be more feature complete than the 5308 which was missing some things.
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#5.1 Posted by roaddog on 16 Mar 2006 - 21:28
- Sorry to burst your bubble, but Microsoft has stated that the 5308 build of Vista is indeed "feature complete." The things that they took out will be added eventually but they aren't promising any added features from the current set before they RTM.
I'm a part of the 5308 technical beta, so have the "inside track" on such things. -
#5.2 Posted by ev0| on 17 Mar 2006 - 01:22
- inside track ? lol. you and everyone else with a bit torrent client mate.
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#5.3 Posted by scyphe on 17 Mar 2006 - 06:48
- I think he was referring to the beta newsgroups, not the build itself.. :duh:
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#5.4 Posted by Ryster092 on 17 Mar 2006 - 11:56
- I dont understand how these builds are getting leaked. The product keys are strictly controlled and tracked to each tester. Surely any tester that released their build to bittorrent would be ejected from the beta?
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#5.5 Posted by scyphe on 17 Mar 2006 - 13:42
- The builds are released on MSDN and TAP users (corporate testers) and to journalists etc. so there's plenty of holes that they can leak from. And I'm not so sure about personalized keys either.
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#5.6 Posted by roaddog on 17 Mar 2006 - 15:48
- ev0| - I WAS alluding to the Beta newsgroups. Just because you downloaded an illegal copy of the beta doesn't mean that you're a participant in the official Beta program. I'm actually a legitimate participant and am running a fully legal and Microsoft-approved copy of the most recent (530
Vista build. Any old shlub can install the illegal copies floating around right now, but the product will not activate if you don't recieve a legitimate key within 13 days of installation. This means that you can have a 13 day long "preview" of Vista if you want, but you'll have to uninstall it at the end of that time unless you somehow get your hands on a legitimate key.
From what I've found in communicating with some of the other (legitimate) beta testers is that yes, the keys ARE individualized and unique for each tester. (Unless they may have a pool of 10 or so keys floating around and I've not run across a similar one yet.) So, Vista will install with a leaked key, but it's been deactivated on Microsofts' side, blocking any hopes of activation and downloading updates past the 13 day grace period.
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#6 Posted by DJ Prem on 16 Mar 2006 - 14:53
- Cool
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#6.1 Posted by nexus291 on 16 Mar 2006 - 16:24
- & i just started to download the Feb CTP now, should i cancel the download..........
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#6.2 Posted by Nexx295 on 16 Mar 2006 - 16:49
- You never know what "soon" means... I think you should continue the download.
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#6.3 Posted by XerXis on 16 Mar 2006 - 18:31
- read the post, only technical beta testers and companies, just keep downloading
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#7 Posted by McG on 16 Mar 2006 - 17:37
- Cool! This frequency change is a plus.
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#8 Posted by Eredain on 16 Mar 2006 - 19:44
- And what would be the next feature that will be removed from the final version? Is Vista to be a windows XP with a new (and resource eater) user inteface?
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#8.1 Posted by LTD on 16 Mar 2006 - 21:16
- Given all the information about Vista - easily accessible to all, your question is beyond stupid, and well into the realm of retarded.
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#8.2 Posted by cartri on 16 Mar 2006 - 23:57
- no, its not so stupid. Comparing to the 4xxx versions, vista looks like a XP SP3
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#8.3 Posted by sphbecker on 17 Mar 2006 - 01:33
- Your impression of Vista is distorted by the fact that the media only tends on focus on a few of Vista's features, namely the accelerated desktop. They don't even talk about, or only gloss over, some of what I see as Vista's biggest selling points. Also, Vista's interface is a lot like XP's so when you glance at screen shots you don't really see anything that stands out.
If you have a specific concern about Vista lets here it, but don't just spew baseless criticisms until you have used the final product. -
#8.4 Posted by PCyr on 17 Mar 2006 - 04:06
- Comments like these are like saying a Farrari is just a Porche with a prettier appearence. It's almost all under the hood.
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#8.5 Posted by Eredain on 17 Mar 2006 - 09:37
- Sorry for my English because is the reason I didn't explain myself good enough. I was excited by all the features of vista (monad, winFS, and many others) but from one year to now every month they keep publishing versions of longhorn or vista with less and less features. My question was "Is vista going to be a XP with a new inteface?". Is not a rant about "vista is a microsoft crap", is a rant about "is microsoft going to make vista a crap?". I think my English could be bad, but that doesn't make me stupid and doesn't give you the right to insult me.
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#8.6 Posted by Smigit on 17 Mar 2006 - 09:53
- Monad and WinFS will both be there post release. Monad INHO is essentially useless for 99.5% of users. People on sites like Neowin ect may like it but outside of these circles pretty much no consumer would have much need for it.
Anyhow, both those features will be there. The whole feature chopping has been blown way out of proportion. Either they werent imporant anyway, are comming out at a later date or just changed form. WinFS especially.....desktop search and all that's still there, it's the developers that will miss WinFS the most. -
#8.7 Posted by sphbecker on 17 Mar 2006 - 13:17
- In short, no. Vista is not XP with a new look.
The biggest change is with WinFX, which is something end users will not see first hand. They will only reap the benefits as software they buy gets written for WinFX.
Other changes include completely redesign of the display, audio and network subsystems (significant improvements in each new system). Vastly improved peer-to-peer networking support for multi-computer homes. New search and organization capabilities, parental controls, built-in security package, new powerful backup system and a nice looking interface. Vista will also bring 64-bit and Media Center to the main-stream. That is just a small handful of features that are not being cut and are already being seen in beta builds.
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#8.8 Posted by scyphe on 17 Mar 2006 - 13:44
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista
read and educate yourselves. (those that have no clue what's new except for the fancy UI)
And this one should please those that feared Vista would be a fascist OS:
Owing to significant difficulties in getting third-party developers to support the system (particularily due to the lack of support for writing for the Trusted Operating Root using .NET managed code), the Next-Generation Secure Computing Base architecture was abandoned for Windows Vista.
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#8.9 Posted by LTD on 18 Mar 2006 - 05:00
- Alright, so you're just galactically ignorant. Happy?
You should have saved these questions for . . . 2 years ago!
Do you seriously, honestly, think that Microsoft would release a brand new OS (to replace XP as the next-gen OS) that IS just Windows XP with a new look . . . and then charge for it, complete with several versions? THINK about it. Use your head instead of acting hurt. Poor english is no excuse for not discerning the obvious. HELLOOOOO !!!!!
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#9 Posted by PsykX on 16 Mar 2006 - 19:59
- Not meeting CTP quality measurements? I wonder what it meets then... or I wonder just what exactly the CTP measurements are... 'cause they're not high
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#9.1 Posted by XerXis on 17 Mar 2006 - 08:03
- CTP quality is not beta quality, not meeting CTP measurements means, it will crash a lot, but there is something that has to be tested so we make a build. Stop whining about ctp measurements, you know what it is when you install it.
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#9.2 Posted by scyphe on 17 Mar 2006 - 13:43
- It's a refresh of the February CTP. CTP when it comes to Vista equals interim builds, ie. NOT beta quality.
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#10 Posted by leojei on 16 Mar 2006 - 20:06
- hmm...... the "It will require different product keys than the previous CTP" sounds fishy, like it's saying MS is employing something to catch leak copies of the build.
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#10.2 Posted by XerXis on 17 Mar 2006 - 08:04
- no they didn't, i'm still using the same key i got for the first ctp. beta1 had a different key
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#11 Posted by *John* on 16 Mar 2006 - 20:10
- To all those whining about Vista:
If your so concerned about it being rushed, and ending up buggy and crap, why dont you just wait for SP1/SP2 and then upgrade?
Windows XP Pro will probably still be supported by Windows Vista SP2? -
#11.1 Posted by Jugalator on 16 Mar 2006 - 20:46
- Yes, I agree. And yes, XP is still supported for quite some time to come (can't say at the time of a Vista SP2 though as that's anyone's guess). Microsoft has even still at least one unreleased SP for XP.
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#11.2 Posted by mayamaniac on 17 Mar 2006 - 06:44
- This will very much be the case, or this is what will happen when Vista is out. It is very unlikely that consumer will adopt Vista at initial release. People will wait until it is stable. Another thing is, I wonder if OEMs like Dell will immediately ship their computers with Vista or wait until it is stable also.
OT, remember someone wanted to coined Vista as "WinVI"? I'm just glad no one went along with that because it was stupid as its 5 letters long, might as well type "Vista" which is more clear. -
#11.3 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 17 Mar 2006 - 12:27
- The problem is when Windows XP got to SP1 / SP2 it was already being heavily exploited by viruses / spyware / malware... at least when Vista is new it won't be exploited much, it will just crash.
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#11.4 Posted by MorganX on 19 Mar 2006 - 00:44
- The problem with Vista being rushed is more what will be left out, not necessarily bugs. The only thing that looks as if it wasn't rushed is Media Player.
Sidebar - Rushed, lacking MAJOR functionality
New UI Explorer Shell - Rushed, dropped, current Explorer shell being said by Microsoft as being the final UI. This will be a disaster.
There's a lot good, and a lot wrong. A LOT wrong. In the current build, all system componenet aren't even digitally signed. We're at Beta 2 with a product that has many parts at Alpha stage. That's rushed.
For Vista to be done right, which it won't, it has to be delayed until 2007. I myself, would rather wait....
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#12 Posted by madnuke on 16 Mar 2006 - 22:06
- Great, when do we get it? And theres something going on tomorow, the right people will have got the emails....
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#13 Posted by chainsaw_007 on 17 Mar 2006 - 16:05
- um.. whats a CTP??
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#14 Posted by Carlson-online on 17 Mar 2006 - 20:05
- should we not be on the 6000 buils now?
what with these build numbers seeming to be related to the year somehow........
server 2003 -3xxx
longhorn alpha 2004 - 4xxx
vista betas 2005 - 5xxx
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#14.1 Posted by freeeekyyy on 17 Mar 2006 - 20:29
- The build number is exactly what it sounds like- a build number. In other words, 5308, is the 5,308th time windows was compiled. it has no relation to the year. 5308 one day, 5309 the next, 5310 the next day. etc. windows is rebuilt every day.
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#14.2 Posted by threedaysdwn on 18 Mar 2006 - 01:09
- More or less
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#14.3 Posted by Neobond on 18 Mar 2006 - 14:08
- If that were correct, then we'd be looking at a 14.5 year development
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#14.5 Posted by freeeekyyy on 18 Mar 2006 - 18:27
- neobond, thats just about right. nt is about 15 years old now.
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#14.6 Posted by Lys on 19 Mar 2006 - 08:26
- What the other people have said are true, it increments by 1 each time. However, it doesn't mean there were 2600 builds of NT before XP was released. They jump build numbers when they near the release date, and normally at the beginning when they start a new version. MS basically redid Vista over, and thusly skipped to the 5x range. It'll probably be 6200 or something nice and round when it is finally released
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#15 Posted by jus1haz2 on 17 Mar 2006 - 22:15
- OMG that would be so cool if it was a public release
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#16 Posted by greenlemon on 18 Mar 2006 - 14:58
- When they say CTP available to the public, that even sounds fishy. MS has never release a build of their OS to the public, or at least I don't think they have. I'm sure if they do release it to the public, it will be another 14 day trial release.
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#16.1 Posted by antaris on 18 Mar 2006 - 15:30
- Generally, you don't offer an n-day trial of software in development. It does happen, but not very often.
According to my sources, Microsoft will soon ship an unexpected "refresh build" of Windows Vista to its technical beta testers and some corporate customers. Previously, the company had been shipping only semi-monthly Community Technical Preview (CTP) builds of Vista to testers and other audiences, including MSDN subscribers. The refresh build is currently build 5342, I'm told. It will require different product keys than the previous CTP.
It's unclear why Microsoft has chosen to ship a Vista refresh build at this time, though I'm told the company is using it as a testing board for the extensive feedback they've gotten since the last CTP, which was issued in February. According to my sources, the refresh build will not meet CTP quality measurements, and will ship only in the Vista Ultimate edition, for both 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x64) systems.
Microsoft originally expected to ship a CTP build in April, though that release could slip until May, according to sources. That CTP should be made available to the public via Web downloads.