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There is nothing new as its feature complete as stated by Microsoft so its just bug fixes and fit and finish from now on.

Sorry Jason a lot is comming that we dont have yet
To name a few:
*Pixel shader / Vector based glass (Aero Glass) DX9 only
*PNG glass (Aero express) dx8 based cards now get glass. (what is now currently dx9 cards only/all previous builds)
*Preview pane aurora (also strangely called the vista flare 0_o)
*Desktop Aurora
*More "ported" screensavers (flying thru space, scrolling marquee, etc.)
*More gadgets (im guessing at least a wmp gadget)
*Texas Hold 'em (via WGA / Windows Ultimate extras) [not avalible untill rtm]
Rumored:
*More project M stuff (max was only part of project m not the entirety of what they are working on)
*The Diamond teir (above Aero glass)

More if i can think of them later

Biggest thing i would like to make clear to everyone is that the public has not gotten a build with Aero Glass in it. All we have had thus far is Aero Express.

i should mention that the glass bits wont be in place untill beta 2 (which will be released at winhec)

Last edited by divertom15 on 24 Mar 2006 - 10:38

omg omg that sounds soooo coowl

now i can finally have glass

does anybody know if it'll be possible to upgrade from 5308?

I stand corrected Not doubting your answer but where did you get this list from ?

Last edited by Jason on 24 Mar 2006 - 11:09

I appreciate new UI bits to come but I'd appreciate as well that MS revisits every single Windows 95 era window to fix it once and for all. Making the damn thing faster would help as well.
And what about making all new Vista applications consistent with each other ? Does that sound impossible ??

"Biggest thing i would like to make clear to everyone is that the public has not gotten a build with Aero Glass in it. All we have had thus far is Aero Express."

Yes, Aero Glass is already released, just not really using vector graphics.

They're even calling the transparent effect "glass":
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcas...sta5270_082.jpg

... and compared to Aero Express, which one can see when e.g. running in VMware or DWM-unsupported cards:
http://www.nukeation.net/content/binary/v03.jpg (the "Form1" window in the designer there)

That tier is also called Express in Vista itself, as one can see in the Display Properties.

There's also a more basic version of Aero that Vista Home Basic will use that doesn't equal Express. It looks kind of like an opaque version of Aero Glass.

Aero Diamond was supposed to be the MCE UI, but I'm not sure if it's scrapped by now. You won't see it alongside the other skins in the actual desktop OS versions though, and that it was "above" other styles is basically '04 rumors.

Finally Vista's "Classic" tier is obviously the Windows 2000 look & feel.

Last edited by Jugalator on 24 Mar 2006 - 11:14

Ooooooo good news divertom15, that sounds piffy for the release. Hope they don't cut any of it.

So this is what Vista has turned into? 3d interface...kiss goodbye anything useful. I'm shocked with MS poor direction with this OS. Do they really believe that pixel shader will sell Vista? Or is anyone actually getting this cause of transparent borders?

I hoope that 60% rewrite rumours are true, for now it's an appaling Windows upgrade.

Yogurth go home.
What makes you think that when windows gets a new look people assume thats its the only new feature and improvement.
If you have actually been researching and/or testing it then you would be able to take that stick out your ass.

And back the the original post, i doubt thats all the things thats in the new release, have you listened to the conversation with Allchin?
He said allong the lines 'if you look at the current build of vista, you would not believe we did all this in a month, it is a substantial improvement of the current ctp'.

Please refrain Yourself from insults, balupto and yes unlike You I did tested 5308 for a week...it was the worst ever beta OS I have ever tested, and I tested quite alot.

Here is how wonderful and fast Vista is currently:

1 . My computer: p4 northwood 3.0ghz, 768 mb DDR RAM, ATi 9600xt with 128 mb DDR RAM, 2x40gb maxtor@7200 rpm
2. Slow: each click in Vista comes with a performace delay of 3-5 seconds, and then the actual app starts to load, each click made my hard drive swap, opening My Pictures or any other folder/app(picture viewer) with pictures took almost 10 sec, WMP 11 took over 10 sec to open up without any library or file loaded....and so on
3. Hog: after booting without anything running my memory usage was: main memory ~300 mb, pagefile.sys ~600 mb, processor was always awake diminishing MS claims that graphics chip will take over GUI rendering...and I wasn't running it at full Aero capabilities
4. Unstable: explorer.exe was crashing every ~5 minutes depending on what was I doing, when it crashes it starts checking error(this can take several minutes and i believe it is a part of MS debug)....
5. Unoptimized: atleast dozen of useless services for average user running around and Vista has about 40 by default turned on...
6. Ugly (this is personal opinion and You don't need to take it seriously)
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I could go on, but I believe this is sufficient.



If You dont believe me, maybe Microsoft employees will sound more convincing:

http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista...ership-now.html

@ Yogurth: Wow, a slow, unstable, unoptimized beta? I never would have guessed!

Here's a link that might help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage#Beta

I say 3pm EST and there has been a 64bit version of the other builds so I would expect one here too.

I think I can wait. It appears that around 60% of Vista is going to have to be re-written in any case. Hopefully the delay is more than just a marketing stunt and will afford them the time fix all the problems and remove that nasty embedded DRM.

Good job lbmouse, the first article is from the Inquirer, known for its FUD, the second article doesn't mention a source, and the third article is about a single problem.

Try getting more reliable support before trolling again k?

You need to be in the beta to be able to download a relevent files off Microsoft Connect.

thx mate

Yer but later in that article the only reason they suggest is 'Media Center Functionality' i mean wtf, 60% of the code is media center stuff......
Then the article just talks about the change in the division... so yer its strange....

Two words Treefrog:

Troll and Inquirer

As of now (4:00 EST) the only thing up there new for today are Checked builds / SDKs for 5308

downloading it right now @ 530 KB/sec

I think I read that this release will only be posted on Connect. Since it's not a CTP, it won't be posted on MSDN or Technet.