McAfee unafraid of Microsoft's security push
Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 10 April 2006 - 18:43 · 37 comments & 11811 views
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#1 Posted by vlsi0n on 10 Apr 2006 - 20:37
- Yes but I do think MS knows there OS better than most.. :rollseyes: How long has MS been writing patches for there systems..?
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#2 Posted by excalpius on 10 Apr 2006 - 20:47
- McAfee sucks...period. That means more to their future prospects than Microsoft's entry into their space.
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#3 Posted by CrimsonBlur on 10 Apr 2006 - 20:54
- McAfee's entire suite of professional security applications is inferior even to many free alternatives for personal use that have been scaled back from their full versions. The fact that McAfee thinks having "more than 10" patents involving computer security technology gives them any advantages over their competition other than market control and financial stability illustrates exactly why their products suck so badly.
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#4 Posted by water.hammer on 10 Apr 2006 - 20:58
- I donno. I've seen McAfee Virusscan Enterprise 8.0i running brilliantly on so many workstations.
McAfee do have their glitches ( mostly because of switching from weekly to daily autoupdates which provides no time for testing definition updates) but they are still THE best out there. The latest version McAfee Virusscan Enterprise 8.0i uses very little resources while providing bullet proof protection against all types of virus ( even non windows one
).
I don't see any company that has deployed McAfee's VSE 8.0 switching to a microsoft product anytime soon.
And unless I am wrong, MS's antivirus is a home product and that's not where the antivirus market is. So I wouldn't expect the kiddie developers at MS to do any better. -
#4.1 Posted by Croquant on 10 Apr 2006 - 21:22
- McAfee? Bullet-proof? That's a bad case of hyperbole you've got there. I redcomend that you gargle with a dose of Harsh Reality and see if that clears it up.
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#4.2 Posted by MajinDark on 10 Apr 2006 - 21:25
- I recommend actually trying McAfee VS Enterprise before making invalid assumptions. Perhaps you should save a dose of that "Harsh Reality" for yourself.
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#4.3 Posted by The-VOICE on 10 Apr 2006 - 23:37
- McAfee's home/professional products are very different from the enterprise-class products.
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#4.4 Posted by denzilla on 11 Apr 2006 - 02:34
- Well as good as their corporate products maybe, they think very little of the home user. Same goes for Symantec and their Norton garbage. One thing that tickles me these days is all the Home AVs just HAVE to have a sucurity center built into the program. Excuse me, but WTF is the point of the BUILT-IN Security Center then? You know why they do it? So they can make you feel un protected because you chose not to buy all of their garbage at once. Just irks the F'N **** outta me.
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#4.5 Posted by HawkMan on 11 Apr 2006 - 10:50
- well I usually don't think anyone is a company plant, like was reported in that newspost soem tiem ago...
but this guy....
yeah, definately a hired plant
And I don't care if McAffee and symabntec enterprise stuff is better than their home user stuff.
Not when Nod uses far less resources, find more, actually removes and/or fixes viruses/infected files. and it's a home product so it's not ridiculously priced. and it simply works. I also doubt either of the enterprise scanners are any faster than Nod.
besides the palce Iw ork at used to use McAffee, and that would be the enterprise version.. I'm not impressed.
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#5 Posted by slimy on 10 Apr 2006 - 21:15
- Too bad Mcafee sucks at what they do :/
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#6 Posted by Markko on 10 Apr 2006 - 21:16
- How weird, I got rid of McAfee Security Center for OneCare. It was so sluggish and annoying.
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#7 Posted by rev23dev on 10 Apr 2006 - 21:18
- i moved over to OneCare, i think it's a great solution, even for advanced users.
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#8 Posted by P1R4T3 on 10 Apr 2006 - 21:31
- "Security is not something you do part-time"
I agree.
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#9 Posted by Mr Byte on 10 Apr 2006 - 22:37
- McAfee's software is so bloated they should be plenty worried.
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#10 Posted by kaozgamer12 on 10 Apr 2006 - 23:10
- I wonder what happens to the msn premium service, they supply a free mcafee's antivirus, and firewall, do u think they will change it to onecare sometimes soon?
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#11 Posted by majortom1981 on 11 Apr 2006 - 00:05
- I hate mcafee enterprise 8i. Always crashes on computer shutdown. And slows the computers down to half their speed.
To bad at the library we have to use it because we get a free perpetualliscence because we are a library.
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#12 Posted by betasp on 11 Apr 2006 - 02:18
- We their enterprise AV/anti-spyware and the Enterprise AV on the servers with few issues. It is NOTHING like the consumer products. I can see where/what infections have attempted to spawn anywhere on any computer at anytime. I can email the user from the console, setup updateing rules and control everything about the client independant of the user.
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#13 Posted by Roger2 on 11 Apr 2006 - 03:15
- McAfee Virusscan Enterprise 8.0i is amazing! Small, fast, error free (for me anyway) it's fantastic!
The Home versions are definately very different.
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#14 Posted by majortom1981 on 11 Apr 2006 - 03:53
- I am the system admin. I have done everything I know to try to fix the problem.
Mcaffee has a problem with a program I think. I am not the only one with this problem on the exe errors on shutdown. The latest patch fixes it but causes more nasty errors.
I hate this virus scan and If it wasnt free I would drop it.
I have better luck with etrust.
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#15 Posted by majortom1981 on 11 Apr 2006 - 03:55
- Honestly its nothing different then the other corporate anit viruses.
Etrust does the same exact things . Etrust though has a less rescource intensive option that will allow the virsus scanner to use up less rescources. I have not seen this option in mcafee 8i unless somebody can show me where it is.
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#16 Posted by lodgepole on 11 Apr 2006 - 04:22
- "Security is not something you do part-time"
Also agree.
49.95 seems a bit expensive for A/V. I agree with others mentioning free or less expensive products. I still love NOD32 and Sygate's firewall; it was disappointing to hear Symantic bought them :-( -
#16.1 Posted by BBinder on 11 Apr 2006 - 11:31
- Quote - lodgepole said @ #8.2"Security is not something you do part-time"
Also agree.
49.95 seems a bit expensive for A/V. I agree with others mentioning free or less expensive products. I still love NOD32 and Sygate's firewall; it was disappointing to hear Symantic bought them :-(
that 49.95 covers upto 3 computers and is a great price, cpare it with other a/v suppliers to see how much 3 licences will cost -
#16.2 Posted by The Maxx on 12 Apr 2006 - 15:23
- Quote -"Security is not something you do part-time"
Also agree.
49.95 seems a bit expensive for A/V. I agree with others mentioning free or less expensive products. I still love NOD32 and Sygate's firewall; it was disappointing to hear Symantic bought them :-(
I don't see how it's part-time tho, MS has people working just on WoC.
$49.95 isn't just for a AV it's also for a firewall, backup program, antispyware, etc. It's pretty much an all-in-one program, most of those from other companies can cost $60-$100 and only be put on one PC. With WoC you can put it on up to 3 PCs.
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#17 Posted by GreenLemon on 11 Apr 2006 - 06:08
- What's terrible is that I work in a technical support position for a cable provider. I'm constantly telling at least 6 or 7 people daily that they will need to remove Mcaffee Internet Security from their system if they don't want their mail settings changing on them all the time. It constantly changes their pop server to 127.0.0.1, and their account name to their full email address! This (most of the time) causes people not to be able to get their mail. Mcaffee blows.
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#17.1 Posted by water.hammer on 11 Apr 2006 - 09:18
- McAfee Security center is a home/pro products. We're discussing enterprise/corporate products here. All home/pro products suck because vendors include bloat and eyecandy that attracts home users.
The argument is that antivirus companies provide better virus protection programs for corporate environments.
In corporate environments, you want products that use little resources with little or no eycandy ( that's why McAfee's VSE does not have 'security center' )
That is exactly why McAfee's Virusscan enterprise edition is so much better than their home/professional line of products. Home/pro products are something but corporate products are a totally different game.
I've been running McAfee viruscan for years now since 7.0 and 8.0 has proven to be very reliable. I doubt people who are using products that have proved to be reliable ( whether it is McAfee's VSE or symantec's norton anitvirus corporate edition ) to venture into a new product.
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#18 Posted by j0j081 on 11 Apr 2006 - 09:50
- I would probably chose Norton over McAfee even though their products are too bloated for my tastes as well now.
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#19 Posted by xorian on 11 Apr 2006 - 10:39
- Kaspersky ftw!! A light virus scanner that does exactly what I want it to do
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#20 Posted by Marc Podito on 11 Apr 2006 - 11:29
- NOD32 for me.. period!
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#21 Posted by leesmithg on 11 Apr 2006 - 14:45
- They got a nerve, M$ used to bundle on win95 installation disk (well was on mine) McAfee AV, which must have pushed up their sales.
I know how bad McAfee are IMO as they used to run a suite of tools, one in particular would check all your software and hardware for updates, the trial would say, 'you have x amount of certain drivers and software
that needs updating'; Please register.
So you register, run the scam oops scan again and it then told you the truth about what needed updating and it was nowhere near what it said prior to registration.
Thats why I stopped using their software, can't trust dishonesty.
I think it was called oil change.
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#22 Posted by The Maxx on 12 Apr 2006 - 15:31
- One thing about McAfee and also Symantec is you e-mail them a question and it takes days to a week or two to get a reply. By the time you get the reply you already forgot that you sent it to them. Plus the anwser they give over half the time has nothing to do with the question.
We'll have to wait and see how MS does with that type of stuff with WoC.
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#22.1 Posted by leesmithg on 12 Apr 2006 - 16:54
- I kind of know what you mean, now McAfee just freaking ignore any emails I have sent them, I do use an old piece of software they aquired called McAfee Visual Trace v3.25, I purchased it about 5-6 years ago.
I wrote to them about 10 times giving them an improvement for it, I also last emailed them 4 months ago as it had got corrupted and I forgot where I had my backup copy (which I found today ) not one reply.
Now symantec, I emailed them some questions and I got 3 answers in about 12 hours. They were very interested for me to help them fix an error which they couldn't fix but when I needed an answer to something I could not fix I got the old, 'uninstall it and reinstall it and get abck to use if the problem still exists'.
I though ballcocks and restored an image.
Yeah McAfee and Symantec I think prefer you to pay for support.
"Security is hard--we have been doing this for 15 years. We have over 10 patents that are focused right at security. We think we have a pretty significant lead in what we are doing. Security is not something you do part-time," Weiss said.