High school shooting avoided thanks to MySpace
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#1 Posted by Gamerhomie on 22 Apr 2006 - 12:10
- Wow, good thing it had been stopped, or another trajedy would have happened, but...
the entire violence in videogames argument again? Arg.... -
#1.1 Posted by Daedalus on 22 Apr 2006 - 12:34
- Yeah, that arguement is getting old fast... the focus seems to have switched from violent films a few years ago to video games.
I think people need to stop blaming stuff like video games and start blaming parents. -
#1.2 Posted by XeonBuilder on 22 Apr 2006 - 16:53
- Kids are just losing thier minds nowadays. I think that parents today are way too easy on thier kids. I dont remember getting away with anything as a kid. My father would have tuned my ass right up.
And you guys are right when you say dont blame the video games, blame the parents. Kids dont have the money to by these games. Partents are the morons out thier spending the cash so thier kids can bang a hoe in the backseat of a car in GTA. GTA is a perfect example of a game thats just pure garbage. I grew up during the 80s where we played simple games like Digg Dugg, pacman, Defender, Dragons lair, Space Ace and a slew of other family friendly games.
Now games are just so violent. Its up to the parents to get thier **** together and step up to the plate. Parents need to start running thier homes instead of the kids running the show. -
#1.3 Posted by qkslvr221 on 22 Apr 2006 - 18:14
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You can thank law enforcement for that, most kids these days would not hesitate to turn their parents right in.
Pretty stupid if you ask me! -
#1.4 Posted by Gamerhomie on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:03
- All valid reason I agree with. Plus you have to see that videogames are just a new outlet to release blame on. Just like music and comics were 50 years ago, but today videogames control the main source of entertainment for kids. It is a phase that will blow over one day. Parents for some reason just dont believe they have any fault in this these days.
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#1.5 Posted by xpgeek on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:55
- Everyone needs someone to blame. Who got the immediate blame for the Columbine shooting remember? Marylin Manson. Oh yea, that crazy music, made them do this. Now its the video games.
Going off topic for just a second, I read another story a few days ago, the headline was "8 year old car thief's favorite game is Grand Theft Auto." And the story made it seem like the game turned him into a car thief, which I found so incredibly stupid. Did the game teach him how to steal a car, how to pick the lock, how to hotwire the engine, and whatever else is required to steal a car, I wouldn't know, I doubt it because I've played the same game and don't remember learning that anywhere and still wouldn't have a clue how to steal a car.
In the end the blame does come down to the parents. I've played the same games, listened to the same music, and I turned out pretty alright, because my mother raised me properly and taught me morals, and would have beat my ass red too as a kid for acting up. -
#1.6 Posted by jthomas5150 on 22 Apr 2006 - 21:33
- It's always the damn liberals and democrats that want to blame "everything else" for people being eat up with dumbass...
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#1.7 Posted by PCyr on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:02
- "It's always the damn liberals and democrats that want to blame "everything else" for people being eat up with dumbass..."
Holy hypocrisy Batman!
Pot meet kettle. -
#1.8 Posted by rm20010 on 22 Apr 2006 - 23:42
- #1.6: Way to use political hate as an excuse for the stupidity of people.
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#1.9 Posted by cork1958 on 23 Apr 2006 - 09:01
- #1.2 is dead on.
Kids are spoiled rotten and have everything handed to them on a gold plate. Like that poster said, I'd have had my a** beaten so bad, I wouldn't have dared 'THINK" something like ever again.
And my parents used to think I was born into a screwed up generation! -
#1.10 Posted by jbrunt1990 on 23 Apr 2006 - 15:43
- OMFG i played a GTA, you had to shoot someone, now im gonna go around killing everyone. Do they actually thing that because i play a game im gonna copy it, anyone with common sense would realize that in real life you cant do that. Its not the games fault, its the moron who copys it. :p
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#1.11 Posted by Gotenks98 on 25 Apr 2006 - 12:40
- Honestly it is not the games, and it almost never will be the games. It is rare that person would spend almost their entire life looking at violence with no other form of positive stimuli, therefore the problem is in the bad parenting. Had I been those kids father, they would have gotten a beating so bad they would have wished they were dead when I am done. Parents need to beat their kids and not let them act so wild, teach them good morals and if the child still seems to have psycho ways then it is your responsibility as a parent to have your child lock up in a mental institution.
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#2 Posted by Shannon on 22 Apr 2006 - 12:15
- Whoa, lucky!
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#3 Posted by Jugalator on 22 Apr 2006 - 12:41
- Heh, and then my argument is confirmed that MySpace can do as much good as evil, where a notable ~34% of Neowinians voted for closure of MySpace when someone was murdered where it was involved. I again say that it's like all popular web sites; it's not the sites that should be closed, it's about preventing things from happening in the first place. MySpace can and do act as a valuable resource for law enforcement as well. I believe no closed MySpace, or other social service of its magnitude, will aid against crime.
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#3.1 Posted by PureLegend on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:35
- As this article shows, it would probably help grow crime
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#3.2 Posted by PCyr on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:03
- "As this article shows, it would probably help grow crime"
Kinda the opposite isn't it? "High school shooting avoided thanks to MySpace" -
#3.3 Posted by kazzama on 23 Apr 2006 - 13:26
- Quote -"As this article shows, it would probably help grow crime"
Kinda the opposite isn't it? "High school shooting avoided thanks to MySpace"
I think #1.1 meant is that the fact the shooting was actually planned on myspace.. i mean it was avoided thanks to myspace as well.. but if you take away the start and end of the problem.. you wouldn't have it to begin with.. get my drift ? -
#3.4 Posted by mko on 23 Apr 2006 - 14:28
- but you don't need myspace to organise a shooting do you?
anyway the whole point of blaming myspace or violent video games is moot since taking these things away aren't going to stop people from being crazy. Do you think Hitler had Doom back in his day? Do you think he listened to maralyn manson? Do you think he watched Terminator a few too many times?
As Chris Rock said it "The kid played too many games... What ever happened to crazy?"
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#4 Posted by accesser on 22 Apr 2006 - 12:44
- Why do poeple/kids want to this type of stuff ?
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#5 Posted by accesser on 22 Apr 2006 - 13:06
- Yeah ok, I just don’t see how you could want to do something like that I’m glad they stopped it
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#6 Posted by bucko on 22 Apr 2006 - 13:24
- I think violent video games may play a big role in this but in USA I think the fact that you can get weapons so easily makes the most difference. Here in the UK you can't just have a gun generally, you have to be in a gun-training course I think (I could be wrong I don't know).
Obviously I've never been USA so I don't know the full extent of how easy it is to get a gun. Though a lot of USA films I see a general household family has a gun. Meh I dunno that’s just my opinion, I doubt you’ll ever see me holding a gun, in Cadets I was shaking so much when I was holding a gun I quit a few weeks later :p. -
#6.1 Posted by rIaHc3 on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:42
- Obviously I've never been USA so I don't know the full extent of how easy it is to get a gun.
In some places, just a 5 minute walk down the street, pay 100 dollars, and you have a shiny new toy to kill people with.
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#6.2 Posted by Bamagrad03 on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:42
- Yet MOST of the violent crimes committed in the US are done so with weapons obtained ILLEGALLY.
(Weapons that one could get whether or not it was tough to buy one from a store)
You know...knives are easy to get too. -
#6.3 Posted by MegaManXcalibur on 23 Apr 2006 - 21:13
- In some places, just a 5 minute walk down the street, pay 100 dollars, and you have a shiny new toy to kill people with.
First of all no decent gun is going to run only $100.00. Second off nobody is going to sell a kid a gun. There is also a butt load of paper work to fill out and if you are buying a handgun there is a wait for background checking (some states require this for rifles and shotguns as well). And after purchasing the firearm it is registered to you so if the gun is used in an illegal act they can track down the owner pretty easily.
And as Bamabgrad03 stated most guns used to commit crimes are obtained illegally.
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#7 Posted by Gowcra on 22 Apr 2006 - 13:33
- ****s sake. Shocking. I dont understand loons these days. I'm 20 and personally, could never think about hurting or even killing someone. It just amazes me. I mean, what the **** are these little kids thinking? Sheesh!
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#8 Posted by Epimetheus on 22 Apr 2006 - 13:43
- Riverton, Kansas
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#8.1 Posted by EventHorizon on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:10
- And thats funny how?
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#8.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:43
- I guess because Kansas is considered a countrytown sorta state where this sorta **** doesnt happen
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#8.3 Posted by skinnyjm on 23 Apr 2006 - 14:38
- Similar story in Alaska on Saturday.
North Pole students suspected of plotting to kill
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#9 Posted by Ely on 22 Apr 2006 - 14:14
- lol finally myspace.com gets some positive publicity :p
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#10 Posted by Croquant on 22 Apr 2006 - 14:24
- "Officials found an arsenal of guns, knives and ammunition hidden in one of the students rooms..."
So, why is nobody asking themselves how these boys GOT the ****ing guns in the first place? No, they're all being led down the garden path of "Blame Video Games" becasue that's what the arms dealers want you to think like.
But of course, the NRA won't feel safe until everone is required to have a gun. Becasue the more guns your neighbours have, the safer you are (NOT! ) I just feel so much safer here in Canada, where having a gun is like having a pilot's licence: It's hard to get becasue you can't just walk into a store and buy one. -
#10.1 Posted by jubber2002 on 22 Apr 2006 - 16:20
- Quote - Croquant said @ #10"Officials found an arsenal of guns, knives and ammunition hidden in one of the students rooms..."
So, why is nobody asking themselves how these boys GOT the ****ing guns in the first place? No, they're all being led down the garden path of "Blame Video Games" becasue that's what the arms dealers want you to think like.
But of course, the NRA won't feel safe until everone is required to have a gun. Becasue the more guns your neighbours have, the safer you are (NOT! ) I just feel so much safer here in Canada, where having a gun is like having a pilot's licence: It's hard to get becasue you can't just walk into a store and buy one.
You know whats sad... the people who should be able to own one don't get one and the ones who are crazy get them. Just like drivers licenses here.
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#11 Posted by chconline on 22 Apr 2006 - 14:41
- Wow blaming it on video games, just because 0.01% of the already violent people goes out and touch a game, then kills someone, it's the games fault. How about rest of the 99.99% of the people that plays FPS games? Just blame it on their psychological problems that they already have, not the game...
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#11.1 Posted by The_Decryptor on 22 Apr 2006 - 14:55
- Violent person plays video games = news item
non-violent person plays video games = not news item
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#11.2 Posted by astrofaes on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:27
- When people start to blur the distinction between a virtual and a real world, then surely this has to be attributed to a mental dysfunction rather than looking for a scapegoat in the video gaming industry. I'd lay the blame at the feet of parents, teachers, friends etc. for not picking up the signs.
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#11.3 Posted by chconline on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:39
- @astrofaes: Yeah exactly. I dont see how staring at a computer monitor, looking at the violence as portrayed in say Counter Strike will cause anyone to do anything in real life. If you can possibly blur between images on your monitor and real life environment, you are a pretty screwed person already, not the games fault. Its not like they are not going to kill anyone without the game... it makes virtually no difference. Unless the game is super ultra crazy violent, but normal people wont be playing it then, still not the games fault. Its what the person is already that plays the game if its that... 'intense', it its not, you blame it on a game, its just BS.
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#12 Posted by seta-san on 22 Apr 2006 - 14:48
- These kids were shouting for attention for someone to stop them on the web. Luckily someone was listening.
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#13 Posted by plastikaa on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:04
- At the end of the day its down to the easily accessible gun market in the US, nothing else. If guns werent so easily to get hold of this wouldnt happen. Many other countries its much harder to get hold of a gun and hence we don't hear much about this sort of thing.
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#13.1 Posted by Danrarbc641 on 22 Apr 2006 - 16:38
- They were too young to get a gun themselves, which means they got them through someone else or stole them.
Your point, effectively nullified (not to mention, violent behavior does always have to involve a gun, and you do hear about this sort of thing in other places)
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#13.2 Posted by Julius Caro on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:08
- It's all a lot of factors. You can put the blame on videogames/movies/TV alone. The gun thing is decessive though.
"They were too young to get a gun themselves, which means they got them through someone else or stolen" You are just proving his point: it's easy to get a gun.
If I were determined to stole a gun, I wouldn't know where to start, besides a police agent and a gun store, AND here it's not like you have a gunstore right around the corner.
And video games are full of SICK things, of course you can't put the blame on video games, but the kids still get them anyway, and the companies still get money, and those adults who play those games of course won't be against them! It's all full of hypocresy.
Keeping certain things away from young people (videogames, porn, guns, whatever) is nearly impossible nowadays, to say the least... -
#13.3 Posted by plastikaa on 23 Apr 2006 - 08:45
- I dont know the stats but if 1 in 1000 people in one country have a gun and in another country 1 in 50 people have a gun. Even if you are under age makes it a lot easier to get hold of a gun.
And no violent behaviour doesnt always involve a gun. But you can do a lot more damage with a gun that with your fists.
In the UK out of everyone I know the only person who has a gun is one of my friends parents, hes a farmer and uses it for bird shooting. I don't know anyone else who owns a gun. Every time I've been to america I've managed to meet loads of people in a couple of weeks. Not to mention seeing gun shots all over the place. In the UK I've never even seen a gun shop.
Now saying they're under age, like Julius Caro said, doesn't mean that guns isn't a valid point.
Also the higher use of Guns in america isnt just a subtle difference. Every police officer in the US has a gun, and loads of people have them for personal use too. In the UK hardly any do, infact you have to be a special officer to carry one.
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#14 Posted by m-head on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:07
- Yet again a very popular passtime is blamed for something that it has no correlation to. They could have blamed it on MySpace or the keyboards used to type the messages on. "Oh no some idiot said keyboards are evil, NO ONE USE THEM EVER. BAN KEYBOARDS!"
That's how stupid it is.
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#15 Posted by naap51stang on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:20
- Well, personally, I'd rather have the 99% of the general public that NEVER abuses guns/weapons, than to
not have the freedom to own one. There was a reason our constitution was written with freedom of speech
as the 1st amendment, and the right to bear arms as the 2nd....without the 2nd, you can't protect the 1st...
There is always going to be a bunch of nutjobs out there looking to make a name for themselves. If it wasn't
guns, it would be knives, homeade pipe bombs etc...When you have someone or a group of mentally unhinged
people, they will find a way.
Like other posters....my anger is focused on the parents lack of attention into what is/was going on in their
childrens lives. Boy, things have changed! When I was a kid, my parents knew what I was doing, who I was
associating with 24/7! How I thought at the time what "bad" parents they were. Isn't a day that goes by that
I don't thank god for them being so "strict". It's made me a better person.
I think violent video games may play a big role in this but in USA I think the fact that you can get weapons so easily makes the most difference. Here in the UK you can't just have a gun generally, you have to be in a gun-training course I think (I could be wrong I don't know).
Obviously I've never been USA so I don't know the full extent of how easy it is to get a gun. Though a lot of USA films I see a general household family has a gun. Meh I dunno that’s just my opinion, I doubt you’ll ever see me holding a gun, in Cadets I was shaking so much when I was holding a gun I quit a few weeks later :p. -
#15.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 22 Apr 2006 - 18:06
- Quote - naap51stang said @ #6.1Well, personally, I'd rather have the 99% of the general public that NEVER abuses guns/weapons, than to
not have the freedom to own one.
Surprisingly enough Europe does just fine with free speech / civil liberties without the need for civilians to own guns. In fact when you have the US media censoring aspects of the war in Iraq (like initially coffins being brought back, and Abu Ghraib where the JCOS requested the CBS delay reports because it didn't suit them), along with a general dumbing down of news reporting, Europe actually comes out ahead. Then you have the disaster of civil liberties like the "Patriot Act", along with Guantanamo Bay and the absurd argument that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply! The only reason people in the US see a need for weapons is because it's indoctrinated from such an early age, as well as it being "patriotic" to support your president and country, regardless of whether they are right or wrong.Quote -without the 2nd, you can't protect the 1st...
What rubbish! What are you going to do, shoot anyone that doesn't allow you free speech?!? Did you even think about that before writing it? Protecting your rights is what democracy is there for.
The US has got gun control completely wrong and can't do anything about it because of the constitution. Shooting people isn't civilised... it's barbaric. The death penalty isn’t civilised… it’s barbaric. US foreign policy isn’t civilised, it’s just used to bully other countries, whether it be steel tariffs or airline subsidies against the UK/Europe or invading Iraq to overthrown a disfavourable leader. The US is really out of touch with the rest of the world, as gun crime amply demonstrates. The worst thing is that the US sees the need to tell other countries what they should be doing. Oh the irony.
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#16 Posted by Cyranthus on 22 Apr 2006 - 15:31
- stupid ****ing kids today...
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#17 Posted by WitCh-Fire on 22 Apr 2006 - 16:07
- Jack Thompson to the RESCUE!!!!!! Prevailer Of All That Is Just!
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#18 Posted by JiveMasterT on 22 Apr 2006 - 16:08
- if only terrorists would use myspace.com then we'd be all set.
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#19 Posted by Orange on 22 Apr 2006 - 16:42
- LOL means nothing if he posted on my space? say if he posted it on this site?
yet again space is crap
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#20 Posted by Rohdekill on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:00
- I'm just amazed at the stupidy of criminals, or would-be-criminals. What these morons did makes as much sense as mailing a letter to a bank announcing you are going to rob it on a certain day at a certain time.
These kids should be locked away for life just for being idiots - increasing the general population IQ.
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#21 Posted by [X]-bYtE on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:02
- Luckely this was awoided. It is to easy to get a hold of guns in america, politicans should act on reducing this. People seem to think guns make them safe, not surprisingly they are not...
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#22 Posted by axious on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:08
- I used to play "Pong" when i was a kid. I never became violent despite all that beating up the little white dot with 2 bats
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#23 Posted by invalidbuffalo on 22 Apr 2006 - 17:41
- People who plan to or carry out killings are usually diagnosed with phychological disorders. Their state of mind is not a product of violence in games, movies, etc. Studies do suggest violence in media increases aggression in people, but not to the extent that one would want to physically kill someone. Violent media was perhaps a catalyst but not a cause of their plans.
Thank god that killing was stopped before it started!
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#24 Posted by snigma on 22 Apr 2006 - 18:06
- Good thing that the police really are moving onto sites like these. Pretty soon, theyre gonna start scouring these sites for information--just like they do on www.facebook.com (for college, and apparently now Highschool too). I've heard several stories on my campus about how many arrests were successfuly made after researching the suspect's and victim's profiles online at sites like these.
Though, closing down www.myspace.com with a federal cease and desist order would do the whole world a very good deed. I've been over there and seen some random people's profiles--my god, it's like they're happy to show off their virtual-self-mutilation
and for the rest of the non-depressed ones, it's like they're showing off a fake life that they never lead.
Also, the whole video game/violent movie is neither a catalyst nor the "thing" that breaks open the "bomb" (the kid's mind). Most kids use these video games/violent movies as an educational aid: they think whatever is portrayed on the screen is how its really done. Ask any kid about what a bullet does to a body? Now, ask them after they've seen "Three Kings." Unless they start realizing that song lyrics, movies, and video games are just the artists' way to make money, these kids will continue to use them as educational aides. -
#24.1 Posted by Julius Caro on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:17
- Couldn't agree more.
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#25 Posted by fantasticben on 22 Apr 2006 - 18:08
- I hate this violent videogames argument. Gaming is now an accepted social thing to do, plus why don't we see any hardcore gamers pwning real life people? Because it simply isn't the case. Some people are just messed up for different reasons, but the media needs a scapegoat.
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#26 Posted by Xabora on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:00
- I blame this on Rock and or Roll.
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#27 Posted by warwagon on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:21
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#28 Posted by Adequate on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:34
- That isn't much thanks to myspace as it is thanks to the kids' global stupidity, y'know. It's like discussing whether it is the man or the gun that kills.
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#29 Posted by hotdog963al on 22 Apr 2006 - 19:59
- That website is like... the most overhyped website of this year.
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#30 Posted by toadeater on 22 Apr 2006 - 20:14
- At this point, I ignore any story with Myspace mentioned in it. F++ Myspace and Rupert "Citizen Kane" Murdoch.
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#31 Posted by Stephen Dew on 22 Apr 2006 - 21:08
- Well maybe thats 1 thing MySpace has been good for. What a bunch of ideots!
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#32 Posted by Sociopath on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:08
- According to my local newspaper they posted it as a joke and it gone blown out of porportion by way of the school rumor and they all end up getting arrested and tried for it.
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#33 Posted by Dirtie on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:12
- Like it or not, video games do have an impact that contributes to this sort of stuff. I'm not saying place the blame on the game developers, but in this day and age where video games are a major part of many (sometimes very impressionable) kids' lifestyles, of course they will have some (sometimes major) influence. That doesn't mean a game should be banned though, it just means there should be stricter control on obtaining them, and a large part of this is of course the parents. It doesn't help that many extremely violent games are actually directed toward teens through advertising - no matter what the rating says.
Anyway, I'm off to play Resident Evil 4, with the exploding heads and whatnot
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#33.1 Posted by MNS on 23 Apr 2006 - 01:48
- i can't argue if video games can influence someone to the point that they want to re-enact them in real life, because i haven't gone through that experience personally, so i can't know how it would affect someone else..
but i'll say this.. if a kid is crazy enough to go around emulating video games and shooting people, maybe video games aren't his real issue.. that kid simply had mental problems way beyond what a video game might teach him..
in all honesty, parents are always to blame in these cases.. a bad upbringing and family roots will do this sort of thing..
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#34 Posted by Bamagrad03 on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:48
- "The US has got gun control completely wrong and can't do anything about it because of the constitution. Shooting people isn't civilised... it's barbaric. The death penalty isn’t civilised… it’s barbaric. US foreign policy isn’t civilised, it’s just used to bully other countries, whether it be steel tariffs or airline subsidies against the UK/Europe or invading Iraq to overthrown a disfavourable leader. The US is really out of touch with the rest of the world, as gun crime amply demonstrates. The worst thing is that the US sees the need to tell other countries what they should be doing. Oh the irony."
Isnt your ENTIRE post about telling the US how they should run their country. Get a clue. People getting guns through legal means arent commiting violent crimes. Ive never heard of the US trying to force another country to allow their citizens guns. I have, however, heard of the US trying to protect its citizens from other countries who pose a direct threat. Kinda like we did FOR europe twice in the last century....and guess what...we used our GUNS. You're welcome. -
#34.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 23 Apr 2006 - 00:11
- Quote - Bamagrad03 said @ #15.3Kinda like we did FOR europe twice in the last century....and guess what...we used our GUNS.
As did Europe... surprisingly enough European armies also have guns, despite what you may have been taught in school. NEway, my point is about legalised guns for civilians.Quote - Bamagrad03 said @ #15.3Ive never heard of the US trying to force another country to allow their citizens guns.
That's nice to know, but it doesn't relate to anything I said. My comment was about the US overthrowing disfavourable leaders, like Saddam Hussein, Che Guevara and the Taliban. It was also about meddling with the politics of other countries, like the amount of funding poured into the Palestinian elections in order to get a favourable result (totalling $411 million, though the US still didn't get the result they wanted).Quote - Bamagrad03 said @ #15.3People getting guns through legal means aren't committing violent crimes.
Nice blanket statement there... how you come to that conclusion I don't know. What about the people that go postal with weapons they own? Also, I wasn't just talking about crimes. What about the parents that hear the sound of a burglar, go downstairs and shoot the person only to find it was their kid? What about the kids that play with their parents guns and get injured or killed? Also, the proliferation of legal weapons increases the quantity of illegal weapons present - to say that legalised guns have no impact upon gun deaths/crime is ridiculous, otherwise other countries would be facing equally high numbers of gun related deaths (proportional to population, of course).Quote - Bamagrad03 said @ #15.3You're welcome.
Is it taught in schools that if a European criticises you that you should bring up how the US singlehandedly won WWII? It's pretty arrogant, particularly seeing that the US only got involved after Pearl Harbor, two years after the war had started... their motives were far from altruistic. Europeans appreciate the help received during WWII, whatever the motivation behind it, they just don't appreciate all the crap that has gone on since and the attitude that the US owns the world... it's just a shame that people find it necessary to drag up an unrelated 60yr old war to try to get one up in an arguement.Quote - Bamagrad03 said @ #15.3Isnt your ENTIRE post about telling the US how they should run their country.
I'm expressing my opinions regarding the US on an internet forum... I'm not "telling the US" anything; my points have no weight and are just opinions (not necessarily even good ones). Can I criticise? Sure. I'm just as disgusted by my own country in many respects. It's not just the US - I think most of the western world has got things horribly wrong as well, as we are represented by democracies that don't represent anyone and are influenced by big business, corruption and are riddled with waste. -
#34.2 Posted by ThaOddie on 25 Apr 2006 - 09:33
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Kinda like we did FOR europe twice in the last century....and guess what...we used our GUNS.
Yes but only after the USA was attacked themselves by Japan. I think if Pearl Harbour never would have been attacked, the US would never had participated in WWII. They never had they intension (read your history) to participate only after Pearl Harbour had been attacked!!!
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#35 Posted by Hidea on 22 Apr 2006 - 22:58
- There's no doubt that video game certainly sparks these stupid thoughts of killing people and what not (one of the many factors), but so are TVs... and other medias (books they read, music they listen to). But the most important influence is their parents.
You need a 'clear' head to be able to realize the borderline between reality, and digital-reality. most people do, unfortunately some dont.
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#36 Posted by Firefawx on 22 Apr 2006 - 23:24
- If I ever happen to be convicted of a violent crime, I'll say that I was enraged by the abysmally poor journalism in the Daily Mail. TAKE THAT!
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#37 Posted by Section 31 on 23 Apr 2006 - 00:06
- I do think video games influence the way kids think. The other day I was playing Counter-Strike 1.6 in some random server and this person says "walk down my street dawg is like dust2."
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#38 Posted by cardg on 23 Apr 2006 - 00:56
- Man... he is dumb...
Why don't he put on outdoors and magazines nex time?
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#39 Posted by Sp3ctranova on 23 Apr 2006 - 03:27
- wow...MySpace actually did something good.
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#40 Posted by g_denne on 23 Apr 2006 - 04:50
- Games are a worry when things like this happen. I think games are far too violent these days. For example, the GTA series is terrible. It affects kids way too much.
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#40.1 Posted by Magallanes on 23 Apr 2006 - 13:38
- Now it's the videogames, decades ago was the rock, also the comics.
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#41 Posted by djurbino on 23 Apr 2006 - 06:15
FPS's do not CAUSE people to commit violent crimes, but they do HELP people to commit them.
There's at least 1 million people playing FPS games, and only a few dozen have gone on shooting rampages. So there's no real relationship there.
But, as military folks have pointed out, FPS's do teach people how to kill more effectively (which is why the military uses them for training), because to play well you have to start thinking like a soldier: e.g. take out targets with headshots and move on to the next target ASAP.
Before FPS's, shooting rampages did a lot less damage -- injuries were mostly body or extremities, and shooters were slower at moving between victims.
Violent games don't cause violent crimes (they'll happen anyway, because people are stupid), but when they do happen, people who play violent games (esp FPS) are more likely to do a LOT more damage.-
#41.1 Posted by macf13nd on 23 Apr 2006 - 12:15
- thats the point. right there. video games aren't to blame, but no-one can say they don't help. as djurbino says, they provide fairly effective training for any would-be assailant and this enables them to do far more damage than they would have done had the scenario's only ever been played out in his (or her, though it hardly ever is a her /discuss) mind.
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#42 Posted by mr_da3m0n on 23 Apr 2006 - 06:37
- Should read "Shooting avoided thanks to the sheer naivety of the would be perpetrators towards the internet".
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#43 Posted by stezo2k on 23 Apr 2006 - 08:15
- shocking
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#44 Posted by Master Shake on 23 Apr 2006 - 09:29
- I'm glad they stopped this and everything, but has anyone noticed how the government and media has been talking a lot lately about 'bad stuff' happening on the internet? This and the child pornography and the google thing an
School officials were informed who then followed up the tip-off with the pupil in question and his friends. One of the students involved in the plot then revealed the plans to a North Carolina woman who immediately informed police.
Police acted quickly and four were arrested in their houses, whilst another was taken out of school. Officials found an arsenal of guns, knives and ammunition hidden in one of the students rooms as well as coded messages.
Police have not revealed the names of the would-be-gunmen, but the five range between 16 and 18 years of age.
The MySpace message discussed Adolf Hitler's birthdate and the Columbine shooting - both of which fall on April 20.
Unfortunately the love of gaming shared by the plotters has been highlighted by some publications, refreshing the distorted 'games equals violence' view shared by so many across the world.
Thankfully the plot was stopped in time, but had the unmentionable occurred much of the world's media would have probably used the event as propoganda as to why video games are inherently evil.