As most people will of heard, Windows Vista build 5365 was released to testers on Saturday, this build has not appeared on MSDN yet and has been tagged as an internal, so the chances of it being posted there are slim.

Initial reports are good, this build appears to be more stable and the dreaded UAP (User Account Protection) behavior has changed, allowing more simple tasks to be done without having to click away 3 different dialogs. There are a few reviews on the web, I've linked to one which I thought was quite good.

"After many falsepieces of information over the last few days regarding vista plus theanger being expressed by many Vista beta testers, Microsoft havefinally released what everyone has been waiting for, a new build. Itcomes in the shape of 5365, the same build Bill Gates showed off inJapan with screenshots being posted on WinFuture.de. I have finally gotaround to downloading and installing the latest vista build. In thisreview I will look at what has changed the improvements and anythingelse I feel like mentioning." Read on @ Bartys Blog

Screenshots: >> Click here << @ Win-news.de
Screenshots: >> Click here << @ Paul Thurrotts WinSuperSite
View: Build 5365 discussion on Neowin forum





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(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #1 Posted by *John* on 24 Apr 2006 - 11:19
Glad they have altered that bloody UAP

That was enough to drive any sane person crazy!

First comment!
Quote this comment #1.1 Posted by scyphe on 24 Apr 2006 - 13:20
It's even more annoying now. It switches screenmode every time it pops up (and it still pops up all the time).
(3 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #2 Posted by xSuRgEx on 24 Apr 2006 - 11:29
Wow Vista looks fantastic.

Will i be able to run vista on a celleron 2.2ghz with 512mb ram and an ATI Rage PRO 128 agpx4
i know my system specs are crap and iam not worried about Glas/AERO affects.

Quote this comment #2.1 Posted by Neobond on 24 Apr 2006 - 11:31
Yes you will, but without glass, as you already stated.
Quote this comment #2.2 Posted by P1R4T3 on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:00
Will I have glass with a radeon 9600?
Quote this comment #2.3 Posted by Brandon Live on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:54
Yes a 9600 should be able to do it no problem
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #3 Posted by b0m8er on 24 Apr 2006 - 11:35
Vista looks better and better from build to build (Y) Nice to see changes/
Quote this comment #3.1 Posted by Spaz on 24 Apr 2006 - 13:02
i might be slow, but what looks different about this version than the last one. for the most part they all look the same to me.
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #4 Posted by Smigit on 24 Apr 2006 - 11:40
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcas..._5365_01_14.jpg

looks good but the panels like above where the icons are on a transparent background are stupid. The other site (non paul thurott one) has a similar shot but due to it being a dark background you can hardly read the text. Pics like this show when transparencies is taken too far.

Still looks pretty nice in most cases.
Quote this comment #4.1 Posted by excalpius on 24 Apr 2006 - 18:04
The UI looks better at higher resolution. I'm glad people have begun to stop taking screenshots of one huge window covering the entire screen on a very low resolution display. Even OSX looks much goofier on a very low resolution display, because all you notice are the jelly buttons and candy scroll bars.

And I for one love the transparent all glass panels, but yes, there should be an option to show as white or black text depending on background. Many documents, web pages, etc. do this with the (Auto) font color setting.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #5 Posted by semse on 24 Apr 2006 - 12:07
More Screenshots

Build 5365: http://www.WinFuture.de/index.html?page=wf...-ia.php&id=1699
Build 5361: http://www.winfuture.de/index.php?page=wfv...id=1684&seite=2
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #6 Posted by Deviate_X on 24 Apr 2006 - 13:47
Vista has been getting "very significantly" better with every new release, and that means it feels tighter, the UI more solid/polished and importantly and suprisingly faster.

Its still missing driver support in important areas however (my RAID Controller for example) - and why has my computer rating gone from 5 -> 1?

Its also obvious that the behavior of UAP will be changed and refined. Theres a useful article on WindowsDevCenter: http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/lpt/a/6538
Quote this comment #6.1 Posted by toadeater on 24 Apr 2006 - 23:14
Quote - Deviate_X said @ #1.2
Its also obvious that the behavior of UAP will be changed and refined.


It's called UAC now. Someone at MS either has a sense of humor, or has never played Doom.

http://www.doomrpg.com/n.x/UAC/Home
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #7 Posted by joa on 24 Apr 2006 - 13:51
It isn't the same build Bill Gates showed off in Japan. Connect build is newer
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #8 Posted by Quick Reply on 24 Apr 2006 - 13:55
It looks so gimmicky. "Windows Easy Transfer"
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #9 Posted by oxygenuk on 24 Apr 2006 - 14:17
ooooooooo sh*t, this looks well nice and its only the beta *drools*
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #10 Posted by Ely on 24 Apr 2006 - 14:31
It is indeed looking quite nice and running a lot better; the UAP has also changed its behavior; it ONLY asks you when you are going to do configuration changes or if you are going to install/unistall applications, In my opinion that's where it needs to prompt, people complaining about this don't realize that the prompts will happen a lot the first few days after you install Windows because you have LOTS of things to install and tweak; once you have everything set the way y ouwant it you should only see the UAP promts sporadically, I'm sure its behavior will impove even more in the upcoming builds, I heard that in the future people will be able to "bless" some applications or approve some changes permanently so you are not asked about these again.

Overall performance & stability has increased greately and the GUI is looking quite nice.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #11 Posted by vet[NFC]Wave on 24 Apr 2006 - 14:50
Looks pretty!
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #12 Posted by Tai on 24 Apr 2006 - 15:05
looks great

wallpapers from this build ? linky ?
Quote this comment #12.1 Posted by johnny56359 on 28 Apr 2006 - 05:19
found this site

http://www.winvistabeta.com/gallery/24/Win...5/category.aspx
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #13 Posted by icebrain on 24 Apr 2006 - 15:16
heh ... its getting better i can see.

i really wish that they released a sort of public preview. maybe a 30 day limited one or something. Probably won't happen though. I have checked the compatibility of an earlier build (5342) and some old hardware (soundstorm for example) is not supported :/
(8 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #14 Posted by punker429 on 24 Apr 2006 - 15:52
Welcome to OSX VISTA. I love Microsoft but I don't really want my windows to start looking like a mac. Most of the "advancements" where directly copied from Apple. Where has all the innovation gone? Microsoft please start working on something radically different I'm getting sick of these add-ins to Windows 2000.
Quote this comment #14.1 Posted by Brandon Live on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:56
Huh? Can you even name one thing taken from OS X? Other than fancier min/max effects and shadows, which didn't originate on the Mac in the first place.
Quote this comment #14.2 Posted by excalpius on 24 Apr 2006 - 18:06
Please don't feed the troll. He still thinks Apple invented the windowing GUI. He is therefore beyond educatable and should be put to sleep, digitally speaking.
Quote this comment #14.3 Posted by aristotle-dude on 24 Apr 2006 - 23:10
Actually, look at the Windows Calendar and then look at iCal. It is almost an exact copy.

There are other places as well which are "photocopied".
Quote this comment #14.4 Posted by PCyr on 25 Apr 2006 - 01:48
"Actually, look at the Windows Calendar and then look at iCal. It is almost an exact copy."

The only resemblances I see I could would not have come up with a different design if I had never seen either. Plus, Outlook has had a calender app from day one, and predates iCal by years.
Quote this comment #14.5 Posted by tapo on 25 Apr 2006 - 02:05
Now, this story is a little old by now. And so considering the way Neowin works, this comment probably isn't going to be read. But here's my problem with Vista,

I don't see a single, slight bit of "innovation" in this product. Do I see a copy of OS X's visual style? Absolutely. Do I see a clone of Konfabulator, only bound to use the god-awful IE rendering engine instead of Gecko or Webkit? Seems so.

Do I see Google Desktop Search? Yes. There is is, right in the start menu.

But do I see anything at all that hasn't been done before? No.

Do I see a visual style that's cool looking, yet stupid? Yes. Aside from the red X mark in the corner, how am I supposed to tell which window is the frontmost? How the hell am I supposed to click that teeny, weird shaped X button? Granted, XP's theme looked like Fisher Price decided to make an operaing system, but at least the start button and window close buttons were easy to hit.

What the hell is the point of Flip 3D? Sure, it's eye candy, but Apple's Expose was, and still is, incredibly useful. I don't see any advantage if normal alt-tab takes significantly less time. I don't see the benefit of adding thumbnails to alt-tab either, as I usually don't spend much time staring at that box.

I mean, honestly. What justifies the cost of upgrading to Vista? XP was a great improvement in terms of performance, but with Vista, I can smell the bloat boat from a mile away.

You know, I'm really disappointed. Microsoft is freaking rich! The whole idea with achievements and Xbox Live made the Xbox 360 a downright awesome product, but Windows just seems to be a terribly designed POS that gets worse with each iteration. Same with Office.

Microsoft, if Apple licenses Mac OS, or Ubuntu gets, you know, drivers and codec support, GIVE ME A REASON TO USE YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM. If you don't watch out, your cash cow is at stake.
Quote this comment #14.6 Posted by PCyr on 25 Apr 2006 - 03:14
"I mean, honestly. What justifies the cost of upgrading to Vista?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
Quote this comment #14.7 Posted by daneel on 25 Apr 2006 - 10:32
Ok tapo you've got some valid points but then again most OS new features from an end user's perspective for a long while have been due to integration of existing technologies into them. Whether this is OSX or Vista.

Yes we can be extremely disapointed that it took MS such a long time to arrive to this point and yes there are still a lot of little usability things that need to be worked out (such as topmost window, provide UI consistency throughout OS) but it's no reason to be so mad really.
Quote this comment #14.8 Posted by Neomac v6 on 26 Apr 2006 - 16:09
The Windoze apologists are in denial about Vista's obvious debt to OS X. That's why anyone who points out the obvious is instantly labelled a troll. They're as bad as Mac zealots, really.
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #15 Posted by PureLegend on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:02
What will Vista be like on this:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+
nVidia Geforce 6200 AGP8X
1GB RAM

I want Glass

Screenies look nice

Oh, and what will it be like on:

Intel Celeron 2.4Ghz
nVidia GeForce FX5200
640MB RAM

Glass isn't so important for the second
Quote this comment #15.1 Posted by Danrarbc641 on 24 Apr 2006 - 21:26
Glass will run on the first, and if the second is an AGP8x card it'll probably run there too.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #16 Posted by P1R4T3 on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:04
I dont know if I have a bad taste, but from these screens, vista is damn sexy.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #17 Posted by LeonMc on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:15
the win-news server is fast again

Last edited by LeonMc on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:58
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #18 Posted by Croquant on 24 Apr 2006 - 16:21
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #19 Posted by TRC on 24 Apr 2006 - 17:08
What happened to the public preview? I thought they were going to release it in April.
Quote this comment #19.1 Posted by Omega Prime on 24 Apr 2006 - 21:24
From what I've heard, it's supposed to be released about a month from now
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #20 Posted by Alien Spy on 24 Apr 2006 - 22:21
Sorry, but IMO those combination of colors look awfull. I really hope there is at least an alternative theme.
Quote this comment #20.1 Posted by toadeater on 24 Apr 2006 - 23:30
The color gradients look horrible. There's also too many conflicting colors onscreen at once. Red and green, plus shiny metal, light blue glow effects and transparency on top? That's pretty bad. The different GUI parts don't really match.
Quote this comment #20.2 Posted by PCyr on 25 Apr 2006 - 01:50
"Red and green, plus shiny metal, light blue glow effects and transparency on top? That's pretty bad. The different GUI parts don't really match."

I agree. There have been signs of refinement and since it is a beta, hopefully they're just testing how people will react to the design elements. Hopefully it will be a bit more smooth when released.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #21 Posted by rypaintD on 25 Apr 2006 - 01:02
If I expand the ram to 1 gig, what would vista be like on this system?

eMachines D6417
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2 ghz
512MB
ATi Radeon Xpress Graphics 200 (64MB Shared, up to 128MB)
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #22 Posted by aStRaLgOd on 25 Apr 2006 - 01:40
Meh now all vista needs now is a widget that shows a dancing monkey clapping his hands together, with bill gates's face imprinted into the monkey's left hand.

Don'T try to understand, it's just a funny I made up.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #23 Posted by Neomac v6 on 26 Apr 2006 - 15:53
Too much transparency for the sake of it, just because they can!!! Apple went through that phase (though not as extreme) and thankfully got over it. Hopefully MS will too.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #24 Posted by Sp3ctranova on 27 Apr 2006 - 20:43
I agree, the glass effect is cool...but it's really hard sometimes to tell which windows are where. The differences between windows which are on lower layers and the window on the top are very subtle, making it somewhat difficult to tell which windows are where. It's not a huge issue...I guess I'm just used to XP where background windows gray out considerably...but it would be nice if there was more distinction. Maybe the window borders go completely transparent when they're not active? Or change to some darker color?

I'm surprised Vista ran as well as it did on my old Nvidia go5100. All the other builds I've trued complained a lot...5308 did glass with some hacks, but it was unstable as hell. Maybe there's hope that this old dog can learn a few new tricks after all.
But we'll have to see how far Microsoft goes with DRM in Vista--that could cripple it considerably.
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