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Microsoft to support 1394b standard

Steven Parker   on 01 May 2006 - 12:50 · 27 comments & 8504 views

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Microsoft Corp. will provide support for the IEEE1394b standard "within a reasonable time" after the launch of Windows Vista, according to a Microsoft Corp. representative who attended the IEEE1394 Trade Association meeting held here last week.

The Windows Vista is the software giant's flagship operating system, whose broad launch is expected in January, 2007.

Microsoft, which already supports IEEE1394a in Windows XP, will extend its support to the 800Mbit/s transfer rates in the IEEE1394b standard.

Although it won't be ready for Vista's initial release, Mark Slezak, program manager, Windows Device Experience Group at Microsoft, said support for 1394b would be available in a service pack, after the release of Windows Vista.

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(4 replies) #1 Arkos Reed on 01 May 2006 - 12:53
huh...?!

1394b has been out on OSX for years and they didn't even include support for it in SP2 let alone vista at release?
tsssss
#1.1 Krankerz on 01 May 2006 - 15:08
Yeah, I thought that was odd too. I was under the impression that it was a standard format. I guess they are right when Apple tells Redmond to start their photocopiers.
#1.2 sphbecker on 01 May 2006 - 18:54
You can still put a 1394b interface on your XP/Vista computer; you would just be using manufacturer's drivers instead of Microsoft's. Kind of like using a wireless network adapter before XP; it worked, but required software to be installed.

I am all for support, but 1394b really isn't all that big yet. If I had to choose between waiting longer for 1394b or waiting longer for Vista to release with 1394b I would take the first all day long.

This isn't new at all:
USB 2.0 - Added with Windows XP SP1
BlueTooth - Added with Windows XP SP2
802.11 wireless - Added with Windows XP
1394a - Added with Windows XP (or may have been 2000).

Again, all of these devices would work before support was added, but you would have to use 3rd party software/drives which are sometimes less stable than Microsoft's.
#1.3 theyarecomingforyou on 01 May 2006 - 23:49
It's pretty disappointing that this technology has been around for so long and yet is STILL not being included with Vista. What the hell are they actually doing over there are Microsoft? I admit that Vista still looks pretty good but the lack of support for recent technology (like EFI) is quite shocking for the market leader. It's about time they had some decent competition.
#1.4 g_denne on 02 May 2006 - 02:23
lol. Microsoft have totally lost the plot, people.
#2 Toastyone on 01 May 2006 - 13:06
Yeah way to be on the cutting edge of technology Microsoft :p course there are not many things that use 1394b much
#3 Raa on 01 May 2006 - 13:08
I was gonna say that too, what a cop-out :/
#4 C-Fu on 01 May 2006 - 13:10
Meh, not really that important IMO. How many devices apart from very very small models of hd cameras that uses 1394b anyway?

I'd rather put up without that support for faster vista any day of the week.
(2 replies) #5 Daedalus on 01 May 2006 - 13:13
It's already available through 3rd party drivers for XP...
#5.1 Neobond on 01 May 2006 - 13:20
Are you sure? This news is about 1394b standard, not the 1394a standard
#5.2 Express on 01 May 2006 - 13:49
Daedalus is correct. There are drivers that come with the devices for example from LaCie and Sony.

You can search the web for others:
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=1394b...ndows&FORM=QBHP
(1 reply) #6 Matt T on 01 May 2006 - 13:21
What is IEEE1394b? Firewire 800?
#6.1 thefunkymunky on 01 May 2006 - 13:23
Yes. IEEE1394a is FireWire 400.
(2 replies) #7 Kushan on 01 May 2006 - 13:25
Does anybody even use this really?
I thought even Apple abandoned it recently.
#7.1 The_Decryptor on 01 May 2006 - 13:47
Uh, no, they haven't dropped it.

Firewire is still better than USB (devices don't need a host controller to talk to each other, and it's faster)
#7.2 Krankerz on 01 May 2006 - 15:13
They far from abandoned it. It's on their new MacBook Pro 17"
#8 Jugalator on 01 May 2006 - 13:30
What's also annoying is that SP2 actually lowers supported IEEE 1394b speeds to 100 Mbps (from 400 Mbps) for any connected device, and one have to explicitly apply a registry fix to solve this problem. Fortunately, this fix seem to be built-in SP3 at least, but that's a real late mainstream fix for their mess up.

And yes, of course people use FireWire (OS X 10.4 even requires a Mac with FireWire ports by default) , but I guess it's not as popular when MS either messes up the support or don't support its full performance.

Last edited by Jugalator on 01 May 2006 - 13:36
#9 rIaHc3 on 01 May 2006 - 14:26
This really doesnt affect even 2% of Windows users. There are very little Firewire 800 devices.
(2 replies) #10 PureLegend on 01 May 2006 - 14:53
Another dropped feature!

I think "Fiji" will be 98 again. It will include all the stuff dropped from Vista. And at the moment, that's a lot.

Including, but not limited to:
  • FireWire 800
  • WinFS
  • Virtual Folders
  • The Taskbar-replacing Sidebar
#10.1 ShadowPHP on 01 May 2006 - 15:22
Oh...My...God
#10.2 Danrarbc641 on 01 May 2006 - 17:59
Dropped feature? They never promised Firewire 800.


The sidebar was also never called a taskbar replacement.
(2 replies) #11 denzilla on 01 May 2006 - 15:21
Is Vista going to be ready @ launch?
#11.1 Audhumla on 01 May 2006 - 18:26
No, MS is adding it in a patch.
#11.2 Croquant on 01 May 2006 - 19:06
No, not a patch. A service pack.
So, look for this sometime around 2008 to 2010.
(1 reply) #12 sphbecker on 01 May 2006 - 18:56
The only feature Vista has that sounds anything like "Virtual Folders" has not been dropped and Danrarbc is right, Sidebar was never meant to replace the taskbar.
#12.1 theyarecomingforyou on 01 May 2006 - 23:45
Quote - sphbecker said @ #10.3
The only feature Vista has that sounds anything like "Virtual Folders" has not been dropped

The feature has been cut back to the point that it's barely there anymore... it is effectively a feature drop and something that I'm disappointed by.
#13 aristotle-dude on 01 May 2006 - 19:56
Just like Bluetooth all over again. Sure, you can get third-party drivers but they cannot seem to deliver basic drivers in a timely manner.

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