New Microsoft Browser Raises Google's Hackles
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#1 Posted by Ryan V on 01 May 2006 - 14:32
- Don't forget that Mozilla Firefox has Google as there default search provider. That also limits consumer choice.
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#1.1 Posted by xxdesmus on 01 May 2006 - 14:47
- Exactly, so as much as I love Mozilla and Firefox seriously need to shut the hell up and stop whining.
In IE7 you can change the search provider the exact same way you can in Firefox.
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#1.2 Posted by Julius Caro on 01 May 2006 - 14:49
- I think both Firefox and Opera use Google as the default search engine. Never tried changing it in opera, but it's easy to add more search engines to firefox.
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#1.3 Posted by betasp on 01 May 2006 - 15:18
- The difference is that Firefox is not bundled with the OS. If you don't get the problem, brush up on anti-trust laws.
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#1.4 Posted by raskren on 01 May 2006 - 15:18
- tmahmodd,
You bet your arse IE7 lets you change search providers.
This just seems to be a case of Google whining. Of course, Microsoft thinks MSN is the best search provider, while Google thinks theirs is best.
The solution: make say, the five most popular search engines available the first time IE7 is launched. Upon initial startup, IE7 should prompt the user regarding which search engine he/she wishes to use. Alphabatize the order of available search providers and don't label any of them (default) or select any automatically.
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#1.5 Posted by Dane on 01 May 2006 - 17:10
- Yeah anyways IE Lets you change your search provider, I have already....Why cant anyone else? Too ****ing lazy to do a few simple clicks to change it, sue rather then click.
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#1.6 Posted by dmbandfan22 on 01 May 2006 - 18:17
- People need to stop complaing and start educating people that it's pretty darn easy to change the default search provider, especially in IE. Hell it was even defaulted to Google when I first installed IE7. I bet a lot of people have Google as their homepage anyways.
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#1.7 Posted by nacs on 01 May 2006 - 20:05
- The problem here is that a monopoly is using it's power to push into another area.
If Firefox came preloaded with every Windows box, I might see this as whining. But it isn't. People have to actually go out and make a conscious decision to download, install and setup Firefox.
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#2 Posted by BeGiNnEr on 01 May 2006 - 14:32
- Oh please! That's ridiculous. If they do that, then Microsoft should go "lobby" in Washington DC and sue both Firefox and Opera for making Google their default search engine by "including a search box in the upper-right corner".
Geez, it's ok if they do it... but when Microsoft does it, everyone has to jump on the lawsuit bandwagon.
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#3 Posted by ahhell on 01 May 2006 - 14:36
- Google: "WAAAAA Microsoft is gonna steal money from us!!11111!11 WAAAAAA!!"
What a bunch of babbies.
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#4 Posted by Mathiasdm on 01 May 2006 - 14:37
- Hmm... They do have a point.
However, google does the same (though in a different way). Google is the default search engine for Firefox, they even pay Mozilla for searches done through Google.
Then again, there are a few differences as well... Google's not the only search engine available with Firefox (or is it possible for IE users to use different search engines as well?), and Firefox is not owned by Google.
This sounds a bit like Microsoft bundling vs. Linux programs.
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#4.1 Posted by voidunknown on 01 May 2006 - 17:02
- Quote - Mathiasdm said @ #4and Firefox is not owned by Google.
...yet!
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#5 Posted by tmahmood on 01 May 2006 - 14:38
- But Firefox lets you choose which search Engine to use. I think IE don't.
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#5.1 Posted by vlsi0n on 02 May 2006 - 00:16
- Quote - tmahmood said @ #1.1But Firefox lets you choose which search Engine to use. I think IE don't.
Honestly, if you don't know then don't say anything. This blind attacks of IE is just outright annoying now, yes they added a search bar but you can choose what provider to use and you can add any provider you want.
(note, I know tmahmood wasnt extreme in saying IE 'i think' doesnt have it but the comments below seemed to confirm their blindness in this area, you are just the first I click to comment)
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#6 Posted by k311 on 01 May 2006 - 14:40
- well the argument against firefox is stupid because firefox is free, ie you have to pay for with your os.
and the beta IE7 im using right now lets me choose between search engines in the search bar, so i dont see the problem. -
#6.1 Posted by BBinder on 01 May 2006 - 14:42
- Quote - k311 said @ #5well the argument against firefox is stupid because firefox is free, ie you have to pay for with your os.
and the beta IE7 im using right now lets me choose between search engines in the search bar, so i dont see the problem.
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#6.2 Posted by markjensen on 01 May 2006 - 15:38
- IE is not "free". It comes pre-paid with the purchase of Windows, and is included in the purchase price.
A small distinction for Windows users, but significant for other OSes, as there is no free IE for OSX or *nix anymore. (there used to be)
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#7 Posted by Skoogie on 01 May 2006 - 14:42
- google and firefox is getting annoying nowadays. one bloody search engine.
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#8 Posted by Devion on 01 May 2006 - 14:43
- In IE7 you can add more search engines, If you goto google with IE7 they even have this annoying popup saying "Click Here" to add us to the search box. They dont even use the method IE7 has built in they make you download an exe and run it.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/search...fault_new.mspx#
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#9 Posted by [bear] on 01 May 2006 - 14:43
- oh please, this is a ridiculous claim, google is by far the most popular search engine due to their questionable tactics. They are default in opera, firefox, and many other browsers. They have no power in this arguement.
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#9.1 Posted by betasp on 01 May 2006 - 15:27
- Firefox does not have 90%+ market share. None of those browsers have been found to have a monopolistic market share. None of those have violated anti-trust laws. None of those browsers are bundled (or integrated) into the OS. Legally, your aguement is not valid.
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#9.2 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 01 May 2006 - 15:44
- @betasp - Exactly. That is the point. Firefox defaults to Google but then users have to go out of their way to use it. Due to the influence Microsoft have there should be an option during first use where it asks you to choose your preferred search engine from a list of the top 10 (in realtime, not built into the browser) and an option for lesser known sites should they be desired. Just forcing MSN as the default search is a dangerous move when Microsoft controls 90% on the world's computers.
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#10 Posted by ZiggyTPC on 01 May 2006 - 14:47
- I agree with k311.
The IE7 Beta has a blue magnifying glass with a drop down menu. The choices are:
MSN Search (Default)
Find on this page...
Find more providers...
Change Search Defaults...
If I click Find more providers, I am taken to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/search...efault_new.mspx
If I click Google, I get a message box that says: Do you want to add teh following search provider to Internet Explorer? Name: Google. From: www.microsoft.com.
A check box lets me make it my default.
And now, every time I use the IE 7 search bar, it goes to Google. Six clicks and I changed from MSN to Google.
And if I visit Google.com, I get a popup asking me to make Google my default for IE7.
I'm tired of the arguments that Microsoft is getting too "anti-competitive" or "monopolistic" whereas a rival company could do the same thing and be called "innovative." -
#10.1 Posted by fergiej on 01 May 2006 - 14:51
- Agreed. I like Google, but this one is ridiculous. They will NOT win this one. It's so easy to change. Plus, anyone dumb enough not to figure out how to change it deserves MSN search.
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#11 Posted by CaKeY on 01 May 2006 - 14:47
- Quote -IE is free or didnt you take your time to look that fact up?
Saying IE is free is like saying the tires that come with your car were free. -
#11.1 Posted by BBinder on 01 May 2006 - 14:50
- Quote - CaKeY said @ #5.2Quote -IE is free or didnt you take your time to look that fact up?
Saying IE is free is like saying the tires that come with your car were free.
it maybe bundled with the OS but its still free i dont see any payment pages for IE on microsofts website
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#12 Posted by ZiggyTPC on 01 May 2006 - 14:51
- And besides, MSN is the default home page for IE. Why does Google have 49% of the search market and MS only has 11%? If their argument is true, why doesn't MSN already have more marketshare than they do?
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#12.1 Posted by Julius Caro on 01 May 2006 - 14:59
- Because there is no such thing as a "search bar" in versions prior to IE7? It's not IE7 which has the... 90% or the browser market? It's IE6..
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#12.2 Posted by ZiggyTPC on 01 May 2006 - 15:10
- Julius,
I didn't say IE 7. I said IE home page. A default install of Windows sets the home page to MSN.com unless the PC manufacturer or workplace has changed it. -
#12.3 Posted by frazell on 01 May 2006 - 23:55
- Quote -Because there is no such thing as a "search bar" in versions prior to IE7? It's not IE7 which has the... 90% or the browser market? It's IE6..
Google is floating on a lot of hot air and if i was MS i would hint at sueing Google.
1. IE 6 has built in search! It isn't as intuitive as the sidebars that everyone is doing now, but you can hit the seach button and do a search via its internal panels! Default is MSN, and has been for the last 5+ years, although it too can be changed!
2. Google has the monopoly in the search market! Despite IE defaulting to MSN, etc., so i think MS can argue that Google is harboring its monopoly power to do things like push its toolbar in almost every app we download! Not to mention the fact Google is the default in all non-IE browsers...
I think google dosen't have an argument simply because Google is the monopoly in the search market desipite MS.
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#13 Posted by Julius Caro on 01 May 2006 - 14:57
- mm I think google has a point, but it's not that microsoft doesnt let you choose the search engine.
This surprises me though... plus, I think google can bring IE to its knees anytime they want. Imagine you enter google frontpage one day and notice some "Download XXX Webbrowser, recommended by google" Many people would download it, regardless what this XXX browser is, just because it has the google stamp on it.
The day google feels "monopolistic", you'll see, lol.
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#13.1 Posted by shift4 on 01 May 2006 - 16:43
- Quote - Julius Caro said @ #12This surprises me though... plus, I think google can bring IE to its knees anytime they want. Imagine you enter google frontpage one day and notice some "Download XXX Webbrowser, recommended by google" Many people would download it, regardless what this XXX browser is, just because it has the google stamp on it.
The day google feels "monopolistic", you'll see, lol.
"Firefox with Google Toolbar: tabbed browsing, safer surfing." - Coupled with a image of firefox and a link to download it. I think google is feeling a little threatened..
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#13.2 Posted by Julius Caro on 01 May 2006 - 18:11
- I really meant the front page,... a page that everybody from every country will see
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#14 Posted by Blob from TVForum on 01 May 2006 - 14:59
- firefox has a default search engine, so why can't internet explorer
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#14.1 Posted by Boono on 02 May 2006 - 07:32
- Because Microsoft has a monopoly (or something very close to it) with IE in the field of webbrowsers. If 50% of all FF-users would start using a different search engine then Google would hardly feel it. If 50% of all IE-users would do that then Google would lose half of its market share!
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#15 Posted by Toastyone on 01 May 2006 - 15:02
- lol what a load of bull you can change the default search it is not like you HAVE to use it...if they want to be crazy about it Microsoft should go after firefox for having google
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#16 Posted by matt74441 on 01 May 2006 - 15:04
- Oh bitch bitch bitch, thats all they ever do. Software companies whine more than a group of 4 year old girls.
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#16.1 Posted by mufdvr3669 on 02 May 2006 - 04:24
- Aren't you bitchin about them bitchin. Just so ya know
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#17 Posted by hajj_3 on 01 May 2006 - 15:06
- you CAN change the default search engine in IE7 click on search options - find more providers, you can then add google, ebay, yahoo etc.
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#18 Posted by atkoj on 01 May 2006 - 15:10
- MSN is NOT the default search engine in IE7. By default, IE7 inherits its default search engine from IE6. For most users, especially those who have previously used the Google toolbar in IE6, the default search engine for IE7 is therefore GOOGLE! IE7 respects previous user preference. Firefox and Opera on the other hand, just use Google without asking. (This is refers to the planned final functionality; it may or may not be the case in any IE7 beta you may currently be using)
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#18.1 Posted by raskren on 01 May 2006 - 15:21
- IE7 uses your existing default search engine if you upgrade from IE6 only - which constitutes the vast minority of users.
If you bought a Vista PC from an OEM (vast majority) or purchased a retail copy and did a clean install, IE7 defaults to MSN Search. -
#18.2 Posted by atkoj on 01 May 2006 - 15:31
- I strongly suspect that there will be a significant slice of the 400 million XP computers that upgrade to IE7. Their search provider will be the same as what it was before they upgraded.
If you bought a Vista PC from an OEM (vast majority) then the OEM chooses (not microsoft) which search provider is the default.
The ONLY situation where the IE7 default search provider is MSN, is if you bought Vista at retail. In this case it takes a mere two mouse-clicks to switch to Google. -
#18.3 Posted by Saadu on 01 May 2006 - 15:35
- I dont mind defaulting since they give a choice. The argument is not very stable. Not like MS prevents you from using Google altogeather then you have an argument.
And what actor said is true, i was really happy to see that IE7 didnt force its settings on me but respected what i had configured previously.
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#19 Posted by nowimnothing on 01 May 2006 - 15:14
- I suppose google has a LEGAL point here...
IE has a huge marketshare. Microsoft makes both IE and the MSN Search/Live search. Therefore they could potentially exploit that monopoly.
But google has no COMMON SENSE point here...
IE7 allows you to change the search provider incredibly easily. There are literally dozens to choose from, including google. A company should not be punished for making two products and defaulting one to use the other - while still giving the choice of using a competitor's product. That's just absurd.
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#20 Posted by daftperception on 01 May 2006 - 15:18
- You apparently didn't read what he said you can download a free copy of linux and then download a copy of free firefox and everything is free. You can't do that with IE7 you have to have windows which we all know is far from free. So before you post something you troll think first. So to end this with a question are you retarded?
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#20.1 Posted by Pegus on 01 May 2006 - 15:28
- Quote - daftperception said @ #1.2You apparently didn't read what he said you can download a free copy of linux and then download a copy of free firefox and everything is free. You can't do that with IE7 you have to have windows which we all know is far from free. So before you post something you troll think first. So to end this with a question are you retarded?
Well are you retarded? Do you in fact have a point? Google is questioning Microsoft's behaviour with their IE product. The scope of the argument is therefore limited to the Windows platform, and to that extent both Firefox and IE7 are both free. Hell IE7 will even be free for MacOS. -
#20.2 Posted by Lobut on 01 May 2006 - 21:25
- Yes there is a point. The fact that MS controls the OS does in fact make a difference. They bundle IE with windows. They use this to leverage their search engine.
You HAVE to be able to see that this is going to get more users to use their search engine. You KNOW the less technical people will then use MSN as default.
You can count as many clicks as you want but the majority of users will go for what's easy.
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#21 Posted by lbmouse on 01 May 2006 - 15:23
- You're post is ridiculous. Does Opera or Firefox make an OS that has their browser embedded? That is the relevant part of this discussion as to why MS got into hot water.
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#21.1 Posted by phedot on 01 May 2006 - 16:40
- Quote - lbmouse said @ #2.1You're post is ridiculous. Does Opera or Firefox make an OS that has their browser embedded? That is the relevant part of this discussion as to why MS got into hot water.
Hmm.. Let me see... Well my Ubuntu 5.10 has Firefox installed by default...I don't know if that counts, but I didn't tell anyone to install it for me.
And... My IE7 has Google as his default search engine.
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#21.2 Posted by Pegus on 02 May 2006 - 15:09
- Quote - lbmouse said @ #21You're post is ridiculous. Does Opera or Firefox make an OS that has their browser embedded? That is the relevant part of this discussion as to why MS got into hot water.
What is the point of an OS these days if it doesn't come bundled with a browser? If IE wasn't bundled with Windows, how is anyone even going to download your beloved Firefox??
And no it is not the relevant part of the discussion *sigh* - they (Google) are complaining about the search box.
For the record, I do in fact use Firefox.
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#22 Posted by betasp on 01 May 2006 - 15:23
- Firefox does not have 90%+ market share. Also, why have a default at all? Why can't MS ask you when you configure your computer, they ask a bunch of other questions? Why not put those choices in alphabetical order?
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#22.1 Posted by shift4 on 01 May 2006 - 16:48
- Quote - betasp said @ #14.1Firefox does not have 90%+ market share. Also, why have a default at all? Why can't MS ask you when you configure your computer, they ask a bunch of other questions? Why not put those choices in alphabetical order?
IE 7 isn't even finalized yet so anything is a possibility, personally I like it how it is though. MSN can stay default, chances are Google might even be in the list by default as well.. it was in a previous beta.
Market share however is irrelevant, if that were the case then you could assume that once Google gets 90% market share, the scales can flip and Microsoft can start suing.
Google is just a bunch of whiney bastards (and yes, I use Google as my start page).
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#23 Posted by Spielo on 01 May 2006 - 15:26
- It seems hypocritical of Google to whinge until you get a choice of search engines for your search bar during the installation process for Firefox and Opera.
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#24 Posted by GreenLemon on 01 May 2006 - 15:28
- IMHO, Google has no room to make MS change what default search engine is used in THEIR OWN browser. That's like saying Google MUST put a link to MSN Search on their home page. It's utterly rediculous. Don't get me wrong, I love Google. But, this is just stupid. Google is the default search in both FireFox and Opera. Get over it Google, and grow up.
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#25 Posted by majortom1981 on 01 May 2006 - 15:28
- The problem is that Internet explorer is embeded withing the os. Comes with it.
Most users will not change the default search engine because they don't have to.
They wont get another web browser ebcause Ie 7 comes with the operating system
That is why they are complaining and its a perfectly valid complaint.
Why can't microsoft make there install just like win95.
During the install you havea choice as to what gets installed.
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#26 Posted by Elektricity on 01 May 2006 - 15:38
- everyone mentions firefox and google but how about safari on Mac os X that has a google search and you can't change that as far as I know
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#26.1 Posted by betasp on 01 May 2006 - 15:41
- Again, OSX has not been found to have an illegal monopoly...
You can't compare MS to any other company becuase there are a monopoly.
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#27 Posted by shirike on 01 May 2006 - 15:42
- Oh noes! I installed Microsoft Windows and it doesn't give me the choice to change the MS-branded boot screen at setup! The sky is fallin'!
Google are turning into quite the bunch of crybabies lately. They should do what they do best and stick to buying mid-level products and re-branding them with tons of fanfare.
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#28 Posted by shirike on 01 May 2006 - 15:46
- What does MS having a monopoly in the OS market have to do with IE search box defaulting to MSN?
As far as I know, Windows doesn't force anyone to use IE as the ONE and ONLY browser, so the monopoly argument is mute.
MS can't be blamed for people being too ignorant to make their own mind up about a browser choice. They don't adblock firefox pages/advets, do they? Silly google people.
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#29 Posted by markjensen on 01 May 2006 - 15:52
it maybe bundled with the OS but its still free i dont see any payment pages for IE on microsofts website
I found it!
Right here: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/pro...pe=ovr#HowToBuy-
#29.1 Posted by Lare2 on 01 May 2006 - 15:57
- Quote - markjensen said @ #10.2
it maybe bundled with the OS but its still free i dont see any payment pages for IE on microsofts website
I found it!
Right here: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/pro...pe=ovr#HowToBuy
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#29.2 Posted by Sierra Sonic on 01 May 2006 - 17:36
- Quote - markjensen said @ #28
it maybe bundled with the OS but its still free i dont see any payment pages for IE on microsofts website
I found it!
Right here: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/pro...pe=ovr#HowToBuy
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#29.3 Posted by markjensen on 01 May 2006 - 17:57
Wow, sure like like a mighty Windows XP Home Sale page to me!
Exactly!
That is the only way to get IE on a barebones system that you are building (or a *nix bo
. You must have purchased and installed Microsoft Windows to use IE.
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#30 Posted by lucifuge on 01 May 2006 - 15:56
- Weird. When I installed IE7 awhile back to test it out for a few days, I seem to recall switching the default search to Google within about 1.5 seconds of the browser starting up. Not rocket science, or even remotely difficult to figure out.
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#31 Posted by majortom1981 on 01 May 2006 - 16:02
- You guys arent taking into account how a normal non computer nerd would look at it.
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#31.1 Posted by Pdj79 on 01 May 2006 - 16:24
- And most non-nerd users will either type in www.yahoo.com like they've always done or ask someone to find something for them. This is a non-issue. I could see Google's point if IE7 didn't give you the functionality to change the search provider. But they do...and its not hard to do at all. And as for their choice in search provider being MSN as default...well, duh...it is theirs. I don't see anyone screaming that WMP defaults to MSN Music when it comes to downloading music instead of another Play for Sure-compliant provider like Wal-Mart. This is a ridiculous attempt to attack MS because of their status as a monopoly. I used to be all about "down with Microsoft," but now I am beginning to think they are getting the raw end on certain things.
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#32 Posted by metallithrax on 01 May 2006 - 16:16
- New computer users, when confronted with a list as follows:
Which search engine would you like to use?
AlltheWeb
AltaVista
AOL
Dogpile
Excite
Google
MSN Search
Yahoo
propably wouldn't know that the Microsoft option is MSN (unless it was made clear), and if they were using Vista, may well choose AltaVista thinking that was the better one (based on the name).
Current computer users either already use the engine they prefer, or just use the default. If they were given the coice, would they change or just stay with what they know?
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#33 Posted by nexus291 on 01 May 2006 - 16:19
- MS should sue Opera, Google, Apple (Safari) & Mozilla, too, for providing google as the default search engine in these browsers, because of which the users are "forced" to use it.
Just who the hell is stopping anyone from using Google as the default search engine in IE7 anyway, MS is providing itself, so what the hell is google's problem.
P.S - Forced is used on purpose, pun intended
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#34 Posted by redkahn on 01 May 2006 - 16:26
- Google was my default after I loaded the IE beta.
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#35 Posted by stifler6478 on 01 May 2006 - 16:31
- Ok, you guys are forgetting something here. Google has a very large userbase no matter what MS puts in there. It really isn't particularly hard for anyone to figure out how to change the search preference in that box to google. I really don't think that the way MS is doing it will impact at all the google userbase, and I'm sure google knows that too. They just seem to want in on MS antitrust bashing.
I'm not trying to bash google. I use google as my default in Firefox, even though Live.com is set as my homepage. But in all honesty, that little thing in the corner isn't going to impact their userbase much at all.
-Spenser
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#36 Posted by hotdog963al on 01 May 2006 - 16:54
- Upon first search in ALL browsers, it should ASK what search engine you want to use.
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#37 Posted by zeke009 on 01 May 2006 - 16:58
- What a stupid complaint from google. If MS wants to avoid handing out kleenex to the crying google giant, then add a search option config on the initial startup of IE7. They have a config page there now for tabs and other stuff, just add the choice for search engines there as well. Since changing to a different search engine via the menu is so problematic for google.
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#38 Posted by ozgeek on 01 May 2006 - 17:05
- I do love Google but it's a Microsoft's product and they have the right to have MSN as default. Have a look at google programs which of these are bashed by ms because they use Google to search.
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#39 Posted by kaffra on 01 May 2006 - 17:07
- my ie7 was using google in the search box, i dont know whats the big deal
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#40 Posted by Colin-uk on 01 May 2006 - 17:12
- i think id be siding with microsoft on this one, thats a bit of a silly claim by google.
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#41 Posted by Cyranthus on 01 May 2006 - 17:19
- crying? from google!? lol
besides, the older versions of ie7 did this, i just installed ie7 on this computer and it uses google by default... (and i hadnt used that ie7 google search hack prior to) so i dont know what the problem is.
thats business google, get over it.
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#42 Posted by SomeAzn on 01 May 2006 - 17:29
- Have you used IE7 yet? If you go to Google, you get this annoying popup that asks if you want to use Google as your default search engine. You hit yes and now Google is the default search engine.
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#42.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 01 May 2006 - 23:54
- Quote - SomeAzn said @ #8.3Have you used IE7 yet? If you go to Google, you get this annoying popup that asks if you want to use Google as your default search engine.
Yes, but you still have to go to Google's page first. An upfront option page is a better idea, especially for less tech savvy people who are the ones most likely to be affected by this anyway.
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#43 Posted by Septimus on 01 May 2006 - 17:37
- Whining pussies.
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#44 Posted by fo20 on 01 May 2006 - 17:37
- IE7 IS MADE MY MICROSOFT, SO WHY CANT THEY PUT THEIR OWN SEARCH LINK ON IT??? ITS LIKE SAYING, MCDONALDS IS LIMITING BURGER KINGS SALES BY MCD'S SELLING BURGERS WRAPPED IN MCD WRAPPERS. OMG GOOGLE, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUPID THINGS!!
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#44.2 Posted by Croquant on 01 May 2006 - 20:07
- No, he comes from a land where lowercase letters were outlawed.
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#45 Posted by Skoogie on 01 May 2006 - 17:40
so whats the big fuss????? oh google please.
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#46 Posted by t.y. on 01 May 2006 - 17:40
- 1. Who uses IE now? Who'd use IE when IE7 is released? Not me.
2. I agree with ozgeek, i think MS has the right to set MSN as a default. And i do not have a problem with them setting MSN as a default, as long as they provide the ability to change from the default to a search engine the user prefers.
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#47 Posted by c e 3 2 0 on 01 May 2006 - 18:19
- Gee, pot, kettle and black here.
I object to both browsers having a bloody search box on them. At least with Firefox I can turn it off, but hey, I don't want it there to begin with.
MS Only did it because Firefox has it, and is sucking up Google's numbers. Oh and the default install of Firefox defaults having a "Firefoxised" version of google.com... so lets not get started on MS defaulting IE to MSN.
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#47.1 Posted by quick on 01 May 2006 - 18:40
- Why don't you like a search box there? How do you search normally, I'm curious..
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#47.2 Posted by Dragular on 01 May 2006 - 19:43
- I like the search box but NEVER use it.
Google is my homepage.
Google, which only recently began beefing up its lobbying efforts in Washington, says it expressed concerns about competition in the Web search business in recent talks with the Justice Department and the European Commission, both of which have brought previous antitrust actions against Microsoft.
The new browser includes a search box in the upper-right corner that is typically set up to send users to Microsoft's MSN search service. Google contends that this puts Microsoft in a position to unfairly grab Web traffic and advertising dollars from its competitors. The move, Google claims, limits consumer choice and is reminiscent of the tactics that got Microsoft into antitrust trouble in the late 1990s.