Microsoft may delay Windows Vista, again
Posted by Michael Stanclift on 02 May 2006 - 18:44 · 90 comments & 48959 views
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#1 Posted by Mocosoft on 02 May 2006 - 18:47
- not surprised at all
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#2 Posted by c e 3 2 0 on 02 May 2006 - 18:48
- Oh well. I would rather they get it right than bodge it.
If they need all this time, they should consider putting features back in, and make it a worthwile release (I agree with Paul Thurrot).
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#2.1 Posted by devish on 02 May 2006 - 19:37
- Quote - c e 3 2 0 said @ #2Oh well. I would rather they get it right than bodge it.
If they need all this time, they should consider putting features back in, and make it a worthwile release (I agree with Paul Thurrot).
That is my view anyway.
Chances are that they're gonna delay it, but they still won't get it right =/ It's been that way since WinFS was removed from Vista. And also, how "right" would they like to get -
#2.2 Posted by P1R4T3 on 02 May 2006 - 20:44
- Completely agree with u c e 3 2 0. Delay it as much as you can, maybe next christmas and give us the longhorn that we've seen.
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#2.3 Posted by sphbecker on 03 May 2006 - 12:39
- They are not going to delay again. I can feel it. For one; the beta builds are looking very promising. Two, delays on the Longhorn project (which now includes Vista) have been a PR nightmare for Microsoft. My feeling is that MS will get Vista out as scheduled one way or another. I think this is why we are starting to see more and more features slip.
Honestly; I have not seen any features pulled that will really change the way I as a user use Vista. Sure, as an enthusiast it is disappointing anytime anything is dropped or delayed, but at the end of the day I don't really see any impact on my usage of the OS.
Sure, software built on WinFS would be cool, but I didn’t really expect to that adopted by the industry for some time. At least it is still coming at a later date.
Sure, EFI would be cool, and my understanding is that Vista still has 64-bit support for it. Now that Apple seems committed to supporting Vista either way I see this as a non-issue.
Sure, feature X sounds cool on paper, but is it really a big deal; it doesn’t look like a big deal to me.
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#3 Posted by nexus291 on 02 May 2006 - 18:49
- i think, now they are going for a holiday 2007 release
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#4 Posted by dhan on 02 May 2006 - 18:49
- WTF
if this is true, they might as well just release it with Vienna.
*calms down* This is speculation from gartner...ok
*goes back to work*
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#5 Posted by Steven on 02 May 2006 - 18:49
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#6 Posted by MrMB on 02 May 2006 - 18:49
- Yep but this is becoming a bit of a joke. The rest of the world has deadlines to meet.
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#7 Posted by jimbo11883 on 02 May 2006 - 18:49
- Not surprised...
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#8 Posted by PsykX on 02 May 2006 - 18:50
- "At least if it's delayed, it's gonna be better!"
-- Quote from a random enthusiast
What if it's delayed to infinity? -
#8.1 Posted by Brandon Live on 02 May 2006 - 18:53
- Then it will be infinitely better!
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#9 Posted by fergiej on 02 May 2006 - 18:51
- If MS is saying it's still on track, who is Gartner to say otherwise? It's possible of course, but, I'd rather take it from the horse's mouth rather than a 3rd party consulting firm. They seem to be guessing. WTH is this "news"?
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#9.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 02 May 2006 - 21:40
- Yes, but they're market analysts for a reason - they examine factors like Microsoft's track record, organisational structure and the marketplace and then make educated guesses. They could well be wrong, it wouldn't be a first, but Microsoft have already blown past several release dates and things keep sliding so another delay is entirely possible.
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#10 Posted by Brandon Live on 02 May 2006 - 18:51
- The comparison to Windows 2000 isn't fair. Yes, the jump to Vista is closer to that than the jump to XP. But Windows 2000 had *three* beta releases - the first of which wasn't even remotely close to the stability and completeness of Vista beta 1. Windows 2000 (NT5) beta 1 wasn't really even worthy of the "beta" title at all.
Vista beta 2 runs and feels much more (in terms of stability and completeness) like Windows 2000's Beta 3 release - which I think puts it more or less on track. -
#10.1 Posted by lucifuge on 02 May 2006 - 19:19
- Quote -completeness of Vista beta 1
Quoted because...it's hilarious. Windows Desktop Search, overdone pointless glass effects and some widgets tacked onto an updated 2k3 kernel does not an impressive 'complete' OS make. Vienna, I'm waiting. -
#10.2 Posted by P1R4T3 on 02 May 2006 - 20:49
- Why all u peeps keep talkin about vienna!? If some say that vista is xpsp3, maybe vienna could be a vistasp3?
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#10.3 Posted by Brandon Live on 02 May 2006 - 20:50
- By that logic - was Windows 2000 just an updated NT4 kernel with a mouse shadow?
Give me a break.
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#11 Posted by mohan_168 on 02 May 2006 - 18:59
- Great to hear this news. I would prefer it be complete and fully tested before it hits the stores, because it will be a major embaressment for MS if they put a RC kind of software in the market after what 5-6 years in the making.
Sad news XP SP3 will be delayed for a lonnnnnnnng time since MS will be more keen to put Vista on track to meet the new DATES.
Hardware guys will loose the holiday season for 2006 but i suppose with Intel's new processor and the G80's from nvidia the market will look excellent when Vista comes out.
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#12 Posted by warrior14 on 02 May 2006 - 19:00
- I agree with dhan. Gartner? Accurate journalism it's not!
does anyone know when the public release of beta 2 will be out? I'm hearing end of May?
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#13 Posted by Kirkburn on 02 May 2006 - 19:04
- This is not Microsoft saying this, please remember that
It is pure speculation!
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#14 Posted by Ambroos on 02 May 2006 - 19:05
- Owww why don't we just use the beta's till it's available. We will see when that is...
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#15 Posted by b0m8er on 02 May 2006 - 19:11
- I really hope it is just a specilation.
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#15.1 Posted by raskren on 02 May 2006 - 19:26
- define:specilationQuote -Did you mean: define:speculation
No definitions were found for specilation.
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#15.2 Posted by Smigit on 02 May 2006 - 20:30
- wow a gramar nazi, on a web forum no less. Typos happen, deal with it
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#16 Posted by LTD on 02 May 2006 - 19:40
- And on the heels of this bit of Gartner "speculation" (warning?) MS announces, say, two weeks from now that yes indeed, there will be another delay. Something on the order of months. Now *that* would not surprise me.
In the meantime, as usual, Apple will be right on track with the release of Leopard.
Not only will MS miss two of the most lucrative shopping seasons, back-to-school and christmas, it *might* even miss a further back-to-school season to top it all off.
While MS can take a bloody nose (for now, anyway), this *might* mean a pot of gold for Apple's already profitable business. Either way, this doesn't do MS' long-term credibility any good. -
#16.1 Posted by _dandy_ on 02 May 2006 - 20:43
- > this *might* mean a pot of gold for Apple's already profitable business. Either way, this doesn't do MS'
> long-term credibility any good.
I don't see too many people switching from Wintel to Mac because some new version of Windows is late. Sounds like you've graduated from the Gartner Group School of Speculation. -
#16.2 Posted by LTD on 02 May 2006 - 22:11
- Just wait. September's on the way, so watch the sales figures. Christmas shortly after. No, *too many* people will not switch, but we might just see a spike in switchers all the same, thanks to Macs on Intel, and Boot Camp. Apple's target market is a fairly lucrative one, and no, it's target market is *not* people who are liable to go in for a $399 Dell or home-made rig.
We're all speculating here, that's true, but MS is the one with the ****ty track record so far, when it comes to it's next-gen OS release. -
#16.3 Posted by kaffra on 02 May 2006 - 22:59
- many dont care/know about the next version of windows. If they were going to get an Apple they would either way.
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#16.4 Posted by Rodrigo on 03 May 2006 - 00:45
- Actually, I don't think the people cares what OS is bundled with their PC when they buy one, as long as it performs the same tasks as PCs with Windows XP.
So, unless we are talking about people with knowledge or interest in operative systems, I don't really think it will matter. -
#16.5 Posted by Smigit on 03 May 2006 - 02:48
- "Apple's target market is a fairly lucrative one, and no, it's target market is *not* people who are liable to go in for a $399 Dell or home-made rig."
which happens to be most users or businesses.
Anyway I do think apple is on the rise but I really doubt it's because Vista is late. I'd say it's in part due to the iPod, Apple is now "cool" to have. Secondly and also importantly Apples products are good despite being expensive (I dont own any but many people are happy with them).
I wouldnt say they are anywhere near a threat to MS but.
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#17 Posted by brianshapiro on 02 May 2006 - 19:42
- I'm not just wondering why this story has to be posted, I'm wondering why the report was made by Gartner, Inc. in the first place. It is just speculation, for no other purpose but sensationalism.
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#18 Posted by SimFreaker3243 on 02 May 2006 - 19:45
- Not surprised what so ever.
I mean, it would be far too easy to for M$ to release something on time.
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#19 Posted by JIFFSTER on 02 May 2006 - 19:52
- LoL ... Starting to sound like the Mythical "Duke Nukem Forever!!" game... when is that gonna be released again?? LoL... :p
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#19.1 Posted by Menge on 02 May 2006 - 20:20
- wasn't that cancelled for real sometime in this past quarter?
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#20 Posted by KenLin on 02 May 2006 - 19:55
- wonder why it's taking so long to make something so uninteresting?
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#21 Posted by mundox on 02 May 2006 - 19:56
- I say vista will be ready for a 2008 release
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#22 Posted by windows95isg8 on 02 May 2006 - 20:02
- I don’t get why people keep saying, because Windows will be late. The whole world will go get apples next OS instead. I never have used apple, but I hear some good things about it. But in general, a lot more people know about Windows then they do about apple. And there is no sense in buying Apples next OS, just because Vista will be late. How does that make sense? Lol
I see why some people are in a rush for Vista, you want change and better security then XP has. But yer, going out and getting Apples next OS, because Vista will be late is crazy talk.
Apple does one thing and Windows another. You can’t compare them like; I will get this one if it comes first. You need to get a OS based on your needs. I’m going to have to stick With Windows, as all the things I like using are not on compatible with apple.
Good day
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#22.1 Posted by evo_spook on 02 May 2006 - 21:08
- yes, but you can now load XP/Vista onto your new mac
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#22.2 Posted by MrCobra on 03 May 2006 - 01:54
- Not a whole lot of people will be willing to spend the money Apple wants for thier machines just so they can dual boot. Hell, majority of people don't even know what dual booting is.
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#22.3 Posted by Smigit on 03 May 2006 - 02:55
- "yes, but you can now load XP/Vista onto your new mac"
And for most users whats the point? Your typical PC user probably uses word, outlook windows media player, IE and maybe MSN. They may do some spreadsheets, perhaps their taxes or banking and store some digital images. Most users wouldnt need or want to dual boot if given the choice and it's a more expensive option.
Considering research shows many many consumers are reluctant to upgrade their PC based on it already doing whats needed I hardly see much incentive for them to then go to Mac over PC. Yes they could do everything I listed there on a Mac too but it would cost them more. This is also a major issue for MS. Their main competitor is now themselves with users optiong not to update office and windows because in the eyes of many users xp and office 2000 are perfect, hell some would think 98 was the beez kneez still.
That said, theres still a strong market for apples. Perhaps its a niche one but there are users who will benefit from dual booting.
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#23 Posted by ziper on 02 May 2006 - 20:08
- I wanted this, make it right and delay it. It will benefit everyone eventually.
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#24 Posted by oxygenuk on 02 May 2006 - 20:26
- knowing microsoft the real final release for vista will probably be something like mid-2008
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#25 Posted by andy2004 on 02 May 2006 - 20:36
- it needs to be delayed till april/may 2007. You have to remind yourself vista isnt your run of the mill OS release , it is a major step up from XP and its only right it should be delayed to give more time for testing.
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#26 Posted by xMorpheousx416 on 02 May 2006 - 20:47
- With all the things stripped out of it, and only a few different "features"...it's not going to be as much of a step up as you'd like it to be.
All I can say is, who cares? It will be here when it gets here.
Just thinking though, that MAC OSXI or OSXII will be it's most likely contender by then!
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#26.1 Posted by hotdog963al on 02 May 2006 - 21:15
- True ^_^
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#27 Posted by ziggie216 on 02 May 2006 - 20:50
- This is new news?
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#28 Posted by hotdog963al on 02 May 2006 - 21:10
- Ok Microsoft, it isn't funny anymore.
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#29 Posted by Orange on 02 May 2006 - 21:14
- LMAO really... Not that i care for a new OS with all these delays.....
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#30 Posted by Jugalator on 02 May 2006 - 21:50
- What, just recently was this going to be out this year.
Either something's strange going on in Redmond, or the Vista project lead was *seriously* overopimistic, or this article is bull
Kinda funny Longhorn was supposed to be released in 2003, then a codebase start over with a bit of a new vision in late 2004, then feature cuts to meet a 2006 release, which may be postponed to mid 2007. lmao
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#31 Posted by netizen on 02 May 2006 - 22:01
- Does it matter though? Will anyone be left at a disadvantage by not having Vista in time for Christmas? I doubt it, and as others are saying, I'd rather wait longer and be truly impressed with it rather than disappointed. It's not beyond MS to pull something wonderful out of their ludicrous hat.
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#32 Posted by toadeater on 02 May 2006 - 22:06
- I said it before: don't release Vista until it's ready! I am in no hurry to upgrade, I wouldn't care if it was pushed back to Q4 2007.
Porting DX10 to XP, that's another matter. If only MS would do this, they could delay Vista 'til 2008 and no one would really give a damn. From a consumer perspective, I don't see one essential feature in Vista besides DX10. Just alot of "usability" enhancements, many of which I'm not looking forward to anyway. From a business perspective, MS could just update the kernel and driver model for a server version and avoid all the fancy GUI crap admins never asked for in the first place.
LOL, Alchin left behind a huge stinker to deal with! Maybe MS can get this mess under control, but it's going to take time -- it's not easy to fix Humpty Dumpty!
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#33 Posted by Shannon on 02 May 2006 - 22:47
- *sigh* Looks like we'll all be using XP by 2010...
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#34 Posted by Zhivago on 02 May 2006 - 23:59
- Quote -but the magnitude of technological improvement in Vista is closer to Windows 2000, which took 16 months between the second test and production
Yeah and Microsoft has done no improvements to its internal operations after 7 years.
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#35 Posted by Kirkburn on 03 May 2006 - 00:15
- I REPEAT:
This is not official, please remember that.
It is speculation by a company which is not Microsoft!
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#36 Posted by ThePitt on 03 May 2006 - 00:19
- the best thing microsoft can do is delay their 'new' OS to 2008
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#37 Posted by cardg on 03 May 2006 - 01:33
- Come on people.
Its windows! - Its not serious!
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#38 Posted by macrosslover on 03 May 2006 - 01:34
- honestly I personally have never seen Gartner release a positive report about MS ever. I mean everything is doom and gloom, it gets old after a while.
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#38.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 03 May 2006 - 13:19
- Quote - macrosslover said @ #38I mean everything is doom and gloom, it gets old after a while.
Yeah, but the constant delays to Vista and exploits to XP get old too... it doesn't make them any less important.
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#39 Posted by Raa on 03 May 2006 - 01:54
- "...the magnitude of technological improvement in Vista is closer to Windows 2000, which took 16 months between the second test and production."
Which is why MS got Windows 2000 right and Windows XP wrong. Period.
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#40 Posted by Sp3ctranova on 03 May 2006 - 03:01
- Did someone drop a hat? :p
But seriously, this is a good thing however painful it is. Make it right, Microsoft. Make it awesome like we're all hoping it will be.
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#41 Posted by daftperception on 03 May 2006 - 05:01
- Yeah neowin is really starting to get on my nerves. It's like all they like to do is stir up the bees nest. We all know the reaction to this article would be without even reading it. It's the same with firefox. So what do they do every piece a garbage about either they throw up here and a flash flood of trolls and idiots ensue. The truth is who really cares you shouldn't. What is wrong with xp every thing said against it is technically true but irrelevant. How many times have you been hacked or have a bug crash your system me personally never. Here is some advice buy a good computer it will do wonders for any OS problem. And seriously find you own voice don't just copy some other guys banter.
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#41.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 03 May 2006 - 13:15
- Quote - daftperception said @ #13.1Yeah neowin is really starting to get on my nerves. It's like all they like to do is stir up the bees nest. We all know the reaction to this article would be without even reading it. It's the same with firefox. So what do they do every piece a garbage about either they throw up here and a flash flood of trolls and idiots ensue.
So predictions made by one of the leading market analysts should just be ignored? It's not about stirring up trouble, it's about reporting the news - people are responsible for the arguements, not the news stories!Quote - daftperception said @ #13.1How many times have you been hacked or have a bug crash your system me personally never. Here is some advice buy a good computer it will do wonders for any OS problem.
Bugs, blue screens, viruses? Yup, I've had them all. Do I know how to build a computer? Yes I do. Do I know how to maintain a computer? Yes I do. Do I always use virus protection? Yes I do, but I've now upgraded to NOD32 after other programs let viruses through. Have I come across exploits like Slammer? Yes I have. What you're saying is rubbish - you might not come across any problems but XP has plenty of them and to think otherwise is just delusional. NEway, how do you define "good computer" and how will that help? If you have faulty parts then they'll cause problems but other than that the stability/functionality of Windows is Microsoft's responsibility... if drivers crash a computer then Windows should be able to work out the cause and notify the user, disabling anything as necessary - just crashing doesn't help anyone and can only be blamed on the OS.
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#42 Posted by renio on 03 May 2006 - 06:47
- Ah heck...
people invented 'deadlines' so they can 'delay' them. That's the only purpose of a deadline. No worries.
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#43 Posted by Xavien on 03 May 2006 - 08:38
- obviously it seems either the code for the OS is so unmanagable that it takes this long to actually improve and ship out the OS or the middle managment/higher managment have virtually no direction at all.
personally i believe it is the latter, i think the managers should be replaced with people who say the OS is going to do 'this' and stick to that direction like glue, rather then all these changes. In the end the developers are probably not at fault but the middle/higher managers sense of direction.
I say get rid of 'em and get some fresh blood in near the top!
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#44 Posted by Kushan on 03 May 2006 - 08:51
- Last I checked, XP ran fine on my system. All the applications I need to run, run fine. In fact, there's nothing wrong with my PC at all, OS wise.
I say let them take their time, if anything it just means I wont have to upgrade sooner and thus increase the lifespan of my PC
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#45 Posted by Gaius Baltar on 03 May 2006 - 08:54
- cool, so apple's leopard will be released before vista.
and anyone who doesn't like apple can choose linux, which is finally getting solid wifi support
ms is in a big big battle now
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#45.1 Posted by Xavien on 03 May 2006 - 09:54
- cylon sympthesiser!
no seriously, Linux does not have a common cross-distro DirectX-like graphics API... if only Linux devs actually came up with a viable alternative to DirectX and game devs started making games for it i'd be all over it.
But for now Windows has to be my main OS until game devs start cross developing games.
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#45.2 Posted by XerXis on 03 May 2006 - 10:17
- ^^opengl? i prefer directX, but as far as i know opengl is and has always been cross platform :p
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#45.4 Posted by sphbecker on 03 May 2006 - 12:47
- "no seriously, Linux does not have a common cross-distro DirectX-like graphics API... if only Linux devs actually came up with a viable alternative to DirectX and game devs started making games for it i'd be all over it."
Its called OpenGL (I know that is only graphics where as DirectX is a complete abstraction layer). Problem is that DirectX is no longer compatible with modern enhancements made to OpenGL, so game makers develop DirectX games for Windows and find them very hard to port to Linux or Mac.
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#46 Posted by j0j081 on 03 May 2006 - 09:57
- I called this about 100 times now. Oh well, I don't care if they delay it til the end of 2007. I will want to upgrade my whole pc when it comes out but my setup is fine for now and will be until probably then. I just hope they get it right when it does come out, not too many bugs and stuff.
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#47 Posted by Kirkburn on 03 May 2006 - 11:53
- I seriously wonder about many people's ability to read, y'know ...
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#47.1 Posted by sphbecker on 03 May 2006 - 12:43
- Yes, very few even noticed that not only is this pure speculation by a 3rd party, but that Microsoft strongly disagrees with the prediction. The company is pretty smart; claim Vista will be delayed and your article makes all the tech headlines. If your right then you flaunt how smart you are, your wrong you silently drop it and hope everyone has forgotten who you are.
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#48 Posted by cork1958 on 03 May 2006 - 12:01
- I don't care what so ever. Couldn't give a rats a** if it EVER comes out. In the long run, you all know it's not going to be any better than any other Windows OS (except stability, maybe) and you'll all be right back here complaining about how MS can't get anything right. You all want something new to play with, just go get a FREE Linux distro, or 10, and upgrade/downgrade til your hearts content! Vista IS NOT the dawning of a new era or anything even close to that.
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#49 Posted by wulfshayde on 03 May 2006 - 13:04
- So... by the time we get it it's going to be Windows XP Pro Plus, because it'll basically be 4 years late and be nothing more than XP with DX10 and a better themeing/widgets engine... unless they cut that too.
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#50 Posted by neoapple on 03 May 2006 - 14:44
- This is FUD
Why has neowins news quality gone downhill
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#51 Posted by Croquant on 03 May 2006 - 20:51
- Microsoft really should delay it. They won't, though. They've already had.. how many years invested in this project? Time to ship it as far as Steve Balmer is concerned. Full speed ahead, and damm the bugs!
Microsoft's release of the upgrade to its flagship Windows operating system will likely be delayed again by at least three months, research group Gartner Inc. said on Tuesday.
The research note, released to clients on Monday, said the new Windows Vista operating system is too complex to be able to meet Microsoft's targeted November release for volume licence customers and January launch for retail consumers. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company disagreed with the Gartner report and it was still on track to meet its launch dates.
Gartner targets a Windows Vista release in the April-June quarter of 2007, nine to 12 months after Microsoft conducts a second major test, or "beta," release for Vista during the current quarter. Gartner said Windows XP took five months to go from a second test release to the start of production, but the magnitude of technological improvement in Vista is closer to Windows 2000, which took 16 months between the second test and production.