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RIAA Sues XM Radio Over Portable Device

amd_dude   on 18 May 2006 - 20:04 · 58 comments & 22964 views

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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The recording industry on Tuesday sued XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc., alleging its Inno device that can store music infringes on copyrights and transforms a passive radio experience into the equivalent of a digital download service like iTunes.

A spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America, comprising major labels such as Vivendi Universal's Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group Corp., EMI Group Plc and Sony BMG, said the suit was filed on Tuesday in New York federal court.

The suit accuses XM Satellite of "massive wholesale infringement," and seeks $150,000 in damages for every song copied by XM customers using the devices, which went on sale earlier this month. XM, with more than 6.5 million subscribers, said it plays 160,000 different songs every month.

"...Because XM makes available vast catalogues of music in every genre, XM subscribers will have little need ever again to buy legitimate copies of plaintiffs' sound recordings," the lawsuit says referring to the hand held "Inno" device.

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(1 reply) #1 vetvoidunknown on 18 May 2006 - 20:08
How many days in a row does it make this that the RIAA has made the news lately?

Stupid RIAA. Now are we are gonna have to pay monthly fees to record music from the radio?
#1.1 Mystical112 on 19 May 2006 - 07:50
Prolly sue the radio stations next. Then we can listen to static all day!...
(3 replies) #2 tylershaw on 18 May 2006 - 20:11
Seriously... where does this end?
#2.1 mx3 on 18 May 2006 - 20:16
It needs to come to an end soon. The RIAA is getting out of hand and nobody (the government?) is doing anything about it.

The simple fact of the matter is that the laws surrounding the use of music need to be revised - basically everyone I know is technically a criminal... Whether it's burning a copy of a CD, borrowing from a friend, ripping music, etc. We need new laws that take the "digital revolution" into consideration.

Maybe we could figure out a system where the bands don't get screwed over so badly while we're at it?
#2.2 QuarterSwede on 19 May 2006 - 00:03
Amen! Preach it mx3!
#2.3 rev. sK on 19 May 2006 - 00:38
its unbelievable how far the RIAA is going.
It really makes me not want to go out and buy music.
(1 reply) #3 theyarecomingforyou on 18 May 2006 - 20:14
They've just made a radio that allows for easier recording of songs, like a Tivo for music... I don't see how they can win this case.
#3.1 Danrarbc641 on 18 May 2006 - 20:30
Quote - theyarecomingforyou said @ #1
They've just made a radio that allows for easier recording of songs, like a Tivo for music... I don't see how they can win this case.

That's what I was going to say.

It's a Tivo for XM. Or a Replay (since that didn't require a monthly fee for a service)



The RIAA is literally trying to make everything we call 'fair use' right now illegal. No ripping CDs? No sharing a CD with a friend? They want us to buy a song one time for each device we want to play it on apparently. Once for a ringtone, once for our mp3 player, once for the car, once to listen to it on XM, once more to timeshift XM, once on the computer, oh wait I have two mp3 players have to buy it again...
#4 cryptic on 18 May 2006 - 20:16
Just one more reason to hate the riaa, as if you needed one.
(3 replies) #5 Quick Reply on 18 May 2006 - 20:27
they want to extort $150,000 for every song - about 160,000 of them. I don't think RIAA are going to get their $24,000,000,000. This is the case that we needed, a case so preposterous that the judges can see how delusional this organisation really are.
#5.1 thenay on 18 May 2006 - 20:38
Thats what I was just thinking.. lol.. $24 Billion dollars is a lot, wouldn't this end the XM service?
#5.2 Minchino on 19 May 2006 - 14:42
If they did win any money, where would it go? The artists? Probably not.
#5.3 munga43 on 19 May 2006 - 21:45
"wouldn't this end the XM service?"

Guess what they are aiming for..
#6 Croquant on 18 May 2006 - 20:33
<<<Snip>>>
You know the rules. Don't post those images here.
-voidunknown


Ban The RIAA.

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(1 reply) #7 SWHaUnTsMe on 18 May 2006 - 20:37
Wow....once again they will stop at nothing to try to get their money. Clutching at straws...

All i want to know is...where's all the money gonna go, saying they win some of these 39457830 lawsuits they've had? To the artists...right...!?!? Bull.
#7.1 Danrarbc641 on 18 May 2006 - 20:39
Exactly. Not one penny will reach the artists because this money is not considered CD or download sales revenue.

It's just going to pad the pockets of the executives even further.
#8 ~WinGz~ on 18 May 2006 - 20:47
the riaa is out of control, really freaking out of control. hopefully they get shut down finally.
#9 RangerLG on 18 May 2006 - 20:52
This is assuming everyone uses their Inno's to record music. Its not there isn't other stuff on XM to listen to. I have XM and am hopefully getting an Inno soon. This will hopefully get thrown out, but from what I have read, Sirius has already agreed to pay the RIAA the fees which may set precedent.
#10 warwagon on 18 May 2006 - 20:53
I would expect nothing less
#11 Aahz on 18 May 2006 - 20:57
I wonder how that time machine they're building is coming along. It looks like little kids who used cassette tapes to record songs off the radio are next on the time-line alteration chopping block.
#12 El-Diablo on 18 May 2006 - 20:59
this is hilarious, oh man when will the madness stop.
#13 grafXguru on 18 May 2006 - 21:18
Good point Aahz. With their argument, you could sue any stereo manufacturer or radio station.

My 1987 "boom box" with its tape deck and FM radio should get Sony in hot water "Because [INSERT FM/AM RADIO CHANNEL HERE] makes available vast catalogues of music in every genre, [INSERT PRODUCT NAME HERE] users will have little need ever again to buy legitimate copies of plaintiffs' sound recordings"
#14 PureLegend on 18 May 2006 - 21:23
RIAA are a bunch of no-lifes

They neeeed moneeeeyyyy...
(3 replies) #15 Quillz on 18 May 2006 - 22:15
I would be more inclined to buy music legally if today's artists were actually talented, and not just a dime a dozen crappy pop tween queens.
#15.1 MrCobra on 18 May 2006 - 22:27
You got that right. I rarely, and I stress that, find anything worth listening to these days. It's the same with movies too.
#15.2 b0b on 18 May 2006 - 23:12
That is a lame excuse.

Why would you download the music if you thought they had no talent?

The only reason to justify illegal music downloading is that, for people like myself who actually purchase music legally, why be chained down with DRM and the such, when stealing the music will give you full control of the music?

Luckfully, I use openSUSE as my main machine, and I'm not running as root, so chances of any DRM/rootkit's running on my workstation is little to none. I rip my CD's to my external HD in FLAC, so I don't lose any quality, because I can notice the difference in quality, that music services like iTunes have caused (as I am a musician).

I just buy my music on amazon.com, wait for it to come via UPS (because I find it a hassle to go to local media stores and discover they don't have what I am looking for, after looking for an excessive amount of time).
#15.3 Jon on 19 May 2006 - 08:59
That argument annoys me. I don't support the RIAA's actions at all, but if you only look at the 'pop charts' you damn well deserve to get watered down music.

#16 Cyranthus on 18 May 2006 - 22:31
i dont understand... people pay good money to even HAVE XM radio... so now they cant record the songs that they pay for anyways? what a bunch of greedy assholes.
#17 ziggie216 on 18 May 2006 - 22:40
Headline news... RIAA sue over cassette tapes and 8-track manufactures
#18 mousepadtech on 18 May 2006 - 22:49
You know where was the RIAA when I spend hours making mix tapes that i recorded off the radio. I used to dub tapes all the time.
#19 Dipso on 18 May 2006 - 23:07
RIAA needs to die, now.
#20 TruckWEB on 18 May 2006 - 23:18
What can stop me from recording directly from my XM or Sirius radio to my computer or line-input of my MP3 Player ?? Perfect copy of XM/Sirius sound quality.... Witch is far from CD quality or ITMS music file.

Everybody was doing this with 8-Track, cassette tapes or Mini-Disc. Even better is the fact that sometime, FM radio sound better than XM or Sirius.... Depending on the channel you're on.

So the RIAA should sue everybody that got a tape recorder in their lifetime.

#21 Slacker on 19 May 2006 - 02:14
"...little need ever again to buy legitimate copies of plaintiffs' sound recordings,""

Answer: Offer something that can't be downloaded, or something that people actually see value in buying.

If I saw value in buying anything, I would do so.
(2 replies) #22 chconline on 19 May 2006 - 03:37
Heres the irony:

- Illegal download - Free of DRM and all those crazy ass restrictions, do whatever you like, get them at any bitrate

- Purchased - DRM with dozens of restrictions, your MP3 player blows up, comp fooks up, all your music is gone, mostly available at 128kbps, costs a lot, etc etc

So basically, it's like either getting a full version of the game for free or buying the trial version, and only capable of installing on one machine. What would you get?

I get my stuff from allofmp3.com lol
#22.1 djurbino on 19 May 2006 - 05:09


You *used* to get your stuff from allofmp3.com
#22.2 chconline on 20 May 2006 - 00:21
I still do.
#23 californi4 on 19 May 2006 - 04:25
i remember Yahoo offering a service for $5-10 where you can listen to *all you want* mp3s.

how can RIAA even think of claiming $150K PER SONG?

somebody over there has just lost it, or has been taken over by space-faring aliens who want all music on earth to end before their final take-over bid!

#24 djurbino on 19 May 2006 - 05:12


Where the hell does the RIAA get $150,000 a song from ? (Apart from pulling it from their stupendously flabby white hairy butts?)


Stealing one song causes $150,000 damages to who, exactly?



Or perhaps that is what it costs the RIAAstapo in lawyers for each song ...
#25 Sp3ctranova on 19 May 2006 - 08:16
I keep saying it, and no one listens.
Nuke the RIAA from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
#26 Krpano on 19 May 2006 - 10:00
^ ehehe...i agree with that.
(3 replies) #27 Snollygoster on 19 May 2006 - 10:00
New RIAA Regulations:

A RIAA employee must visit your house and all houses in your neighborhood in order to limit your stereo's dB so that no neighbor can listen tothe music you are playing since he has not paid for it.

For every family member you must purchase a new biometric license. The license is installed analy and it itches like hell.

All new cd's will feature a micro-device that blocks all cell-phone signal to prevent listening of the music you play from the person at the other end of the line.

After having listened to a track 80 times the track will get blocked. Having listened to a track for 80 times means you really liked it so you should purchase the special edition of the album that enables 40 more listenings.

All new cd's will not be playable in normal stereos. You have to purchase the RIAA ethernet-enabled stereo that is 24/7 connected to RIAA that monitors what you listen-to.

All RIAA portable music players will feature a mandatory hat that has a mini satellite dish attached to it so that you are always connected to RIAA's servers. If you enter a tunnel and the signal gets weak, an automatic power increase occurs in order to maintain the connection with RIAA. That increase will decrease your IQ by 2 point every time it occurs. After 40 times you have the right to sue RIAA but it won't really matter as your IQ will be between 20 and 40 and you will behave as a monkey so you are not a threat anymore.

The biometric license that was installed previously will cause a small electric shock every time you are caught whistling a song's tune in public spaces.

In every club, lounge or other entertainment facility music will be transmitted to personal headphones and it will not be played out loud. This way if a person has not purchased a song the DJ decided to play headphones will auto mute.

PS: Excuse my English...
#27.1 jdb264c on 19 May 2006 - 14:51
Hahahaha, hilarious!
#27.2 Evil Cretin on 19 May 2006 - 18:47
lmao
#27.3 Audhumla on 19 May 2006 - 21:11
So true!
#28 protias on 19 May 2006 - 13:37
at first i was going to say that everyone should get their ipod, iriver, zen, etc before the riaa outlaws those too.

i agree with nuking the riaa from the face of the earth. come get some u pieces of sh*t!
#29 b0nd18t on 19 May 2006 - 16:20
anyone not officially hate RIAA yet? didnt think so.
#30 EWC on 19 May 2006 - 16:42
What next, will the RIAA sue us ALL for illegally storing music we've heard on the radio in our brains, where we can easily remember it at anytime without having to pay for it.

Ugh...
#31 shirike on 19 May 2006 - 16:49
I can recall almost exactly a ton of tunes from the memory banks of my brain...

RIAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm telling Mum!
#32 Lexcyn on 19 May 2006 - 17:31
Man oh man. Go die RIAA. Seriously. No one likes you or wants you around. You're like that stupid kid in everyone's class that smells like pee.
#33 Audhumla on 19 May 2006 - 21:10
Sad, sad ploy...
#34 uber_C on 19 May 2006 - 23:24
"You can put out the big fire, but there are 100 other little fires ready to spring up, and you'll never put them all out. Ultimately, music is going to be free." - Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins)

apparently, the RIAA is trying to be a fireman.
(1 reply) #35 Tanga_T on 19 May 2006 - 23:43
I'm getting seriously tired of the "music industry" soon we probably will have them knocking on our doors asking for purchase receipts of that song they hear playing in the background. I stopped buying music years ago. Kind of a personal boycott if you will. I do listen to radio but I'm not that excited about music anymore like when I was a teenager. I whish they just stopped bugging us and changed their business model for this centuary instead! Hey, there was an earlier time, almost eighty years ago when they tried to STOP radio. They did'nt succeed back then, but nowadays I'm worried that they will just take the joy out of listening to music completely...

...and PLEASE, someone make me an RIAA filter for my browser!!! I'm fed up with seeing articles about them!! They just waste bandwidth!!
#35.1 badazzEVO8 on 20 May 2006 - 06:13
just do what i do everytime you see something involving them. read my post below
(1 reply) #36 Xabora on 20 May 2006 - 06:03
I never know that device existed before.


Thanks for giving it a ton of publicity!
#36.1 badazzEVO8 on 20 May 2006 - 06:12
exactly lol
(1 reply) #37 badazzEVO8 on 20 May 2006 - 06:11
everytime i see them sueing someone i just download about 1000 more songs. if they keep up this pace i will have every song ever made and not paid a cent for them. keep it up riaa your making my collection grow
#37.1 echo on 21 May 2006 - 07:23
Your statement has been my exact reasoning for thinking that the RIAA has to be the dumbest bunch of idiots to ever call them selves and "association".

Do they NOT UNDERSTAND that everytime they start a new lawsuit or go after some company they are drawing attention to the fact that you can get music for free without having to pay for it. Sure, I have known since before napster was even thought of that you can get music on IRC and AOL (AOL was THE place to get music since it first came out), but not everybody is a computer nerd. Ever since the lawsuit against napster people are beginning to relise that the RIAA is just a joke and you can download music for FREE. Before all the lawsuits and media attention, maybe 15% (rough estimate) or so of the worlds population knew about downloading music. Now everybody and their mother knows that you can get music for free on the internent. Even if you don't know a thing about computers, the answer to getting free music is just a google search away.

I buy maybe 10 CD's a year from artist that actualy put out a good cd. 90% of the people that are bitching about this put out ****ty music to begin with and the other non-mainstream artists encourage it to a certain extent because it gets their music out there. Not to mention, in all honesty, the compact disc is NOT a reliable piece of material. It's extremely sensitive. Touching it the wrong way or sliding it in a cd case or book can ruin it.

The RIAA is a complete and total joke and waste of money. The more attention they draw to the ability of being able to get music for free the MORE money they are going to loose.
#38 Beastage on 20 May 2006 - 15:29
doesn't XM controlled by some big car company?

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