AMD: New Socket For Two Dual-Core Processors
Posted by Steven Parker on 01 June 2006 - 11:40 · 23 comments & 12380 views
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#1 Posted by magicker72 on 01 Jun 2006 - 11:44
- How about the Quad PowerMac G5? Doesn't that have two dual-core processors in it?
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#1.1 Posted by cardg on 02 Jun 2006 - 06:25
- Yes, but they aren't pcs, since they aren't x86 - they are based on IBM's "Power" platform, wich uses other languages to transfer the data.
There is also the Intel's Xeon wich is x86 and already does it, it is already possible to use 2 dual-core-hyperthreaded Xeons on the same motherboard, wich gives you the total of 4 physical cores and more 4 virtual (due to intel's HT), the total of 8 simultaneous processes (!!!
But, even more exclamations will come if you ask the price of this kidding - it is not intended to we, normal-not-multimillionaire-living-human-beings.
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#2 Posted by kyosuken on 01 Jun 2006 - 11:48
- huhu i would want one of these babies xD... but well i think it's not a good idea Intel will be cheaper and performance wise better (or so if we trust their benchmarks)... And if it means more cash to achieve the same level of performance it's a nogo...
Something funny though.. dual dual cores.. soon we all will have to run Win2k3 server to be able to use the hardware
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#3 Posted by Beastage on 01 Jun 2006 - 11:49
- Not really a fire back but of kinda a temporary move... its not really a new tech but more like putting 2 turbo chargers instead of 1 in a car...
Not something that Intel or anyone else can't do.
"This is something we have worked on for a while based on customer feedback," said Brent Barry, director of brand marketing for AMD's FX series of gamer chips.
^ uh... does he know they been making dual chips since ever?
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#4 Posted by tony-inpo on 01 Jun 2006 - 11:52
- Had anyone heard they were going to do this? AMD don't keep everything under rapps don't they
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#5 Posted by abysal on 01 Jun 2006 - 12:41
- Unless you're going to run a server OS, anything over 2 CPUs will not provide any benefit? Windows XP and Vista only support 2 CPUs.
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#6 Posted by McG on 01 Jun 2006 - 12:49
- This will definitely be great if it shows a significant speed boost.
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#7 Posted by protias on 01 Jun 2006 - 13:21
- risc chips are completely different from the consumer processors
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#8 Posted by protias on 01 Jun 2006 - 13:22
- just because an OS says it doesnt support it, doesnt mean the computer isnt utilizing it.
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#9 Posted by Chew on 01 Jun 2006 - 13:32
- Much like the quad sli, it's another marketing gimmick. AMD knows that Intel has regained the speed crown on a single processor, albeit for how long, none of us know.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of AMD, however my next system which I'll be building is going to have a conroe in it unless AMD can show me something that is on the performance level of Conroe.
It's tough to say.
Chew
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#10 Posted by S7R1K3R on 01 Jun 2006 - 13:59
- To whoever said Vista only supports 2 cpu doesnt know anything. Quad core chips are going to be released first quarter 2007 around the same time Vista is. And Microsoft obviously knows where cpus are heading with multi core so of course they support it. In case you didnt know windows xp is 5 years old which is the reason it only supports 2.
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#10.1 Posted by abysal on 01 Jun 2006 - 16:37
- Quote - S7R1K3R said @ #10To whoever said Vista only supports 2 cpu doesnt know anything. Quad core chips are going to be released first quarter 2007 around the same time Vista is. And Microsoft obviously knows where cpus are heading with multi core so of course they support it. In case you didnt know windows xp is 5 years old which is the reason it only supports 2.
Nice one hot shot, before you talk out of your a$$ please do a little research. Vista will only support 2 CPUs.
Source
Now if anyone can provide a link from a microsoft domain that would be great, I couldn't find a direct microsoft description of maximum cpu support for Vista. -
#10.2 Posted by nvme on 01 Jun 2006 - 16:58
- this one appears to be an updated link to the one S7R1K3R posted. there is an addition of the following:
"There's been some confusion about the difference between multiple processors and multiple processor cores (for example, both Intel and AMD are currently selling dual-core CPUs, and quad-core chips are on the way). While all of the Vista product editions support only one or two physical processors, none are limited to the number of processor cores they will support."
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvi...tions_final.asp
so while this still enforces that only two physical procs can be used, it doesnt limit having multiple core procs.
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#11 Posted by =NickJ= on 01 Jun 2006 - 14:00
- Much better articlae at http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1970271,00.asp
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#12 Posted by dagamer34 on 01 Jun 2006 - 15:02
- Umm... guys, Windows XP Home only has support for 1 physical socket in a CPU. However, remember that Intel launched a dual core CPU with Hyper-threading enabled (extreme edition) so it's probably possible althrough you are probably going to have to use Windows XP Pro (and who wouldn't be if they are spending so much money on their computer?
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#13 Posted by Croquant on 01 Jun 2006 - 21:35
- Again, don't confuse a CPU with a core. A CPU is a Central Processing Unit. It may have a single core, it may have two cores. A dual-core CPU is still only one physical CPU.
A logical processing unit is an OS term that references how many process threads the OS has available to it. A single Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading will show up as two logical processing units in XP even though it's really just one core on one CPUs. A dual-core CPU will also be seen as two logical processing units. Yes, you'll get better multitasking performance with a dual-core that with a hyperthreaded core, but Windows doesn't see the difference. Either way you go it's just two logical processing cores as far as XP can see.
XP Pro supports two CPUs... no matter how many cores each CPU has. Of course, nobody's tested a quad-core CPU in the wild, so we don't really know what happens when you run two of those under XP Pro. However, dual-core Xeons have been around for a while now and if you run two of those in XP Pro, guess what? XP Pro likes it very much, that's what. XP Pro sees a pair of dual-core Xeons as four logical processing units on Two CPUs.
More that two CPUs needs XP Pro x64 or Windows 2003 (or Linu
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#13.1 Posted by abysal on 02 Jun 2006 - 05:31
- Quote - Croquant said @ #12.1Again, don't confuse a CPU with a core. A CPU is a Central Processing Unit. It may have a single core, it may have two cores. A dual-core CPU is still only one physical CPU.
A logical processing unit is an OS term that references how many process threads the OS has available to it. A single Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading will show up as two logical processing units in XP even though it's really just one core on one CPUs. A dual-core CPU will also be seen as two logical processing units. Yes, you'll get better multitasking performance with a dual-core that with a hyperthreaded core, but Windows doesn't see the difference. Either way you go it's just two logical processing cores as far as XP can see.
XP Pro supports two CPUs... no matter how many cores each CPU has. Of course, nobody's tested a quad-core CPU in the wild, so we don't really know what happens when you run two of those under XP Pro. However, dual-core Xeons have been around for a while now and if you run two of those in XP Pro, guess what? XP Pro likes it very much, that's what. XP Pro sees a pair of dual-core Xeons as four logical processing units on Two CPUs.
More that two CPUs needs XP Pro x64 or Windows 2003 (or Linu, but otherwise XP Pro will do it for you.
Not to discredit your post, but do you have a link that shows this? I've run windows server OSs with 2 dual core Xeons and they do come up as 4 logical processing units aka 4 processing core (Not sure if it's correct to make that analogy). However I have yet to see Win Xp Pro do that, I would think that the normal Multiprocessor ACPI PC / Hal in windows xp would utilize only 2 of the 4 cores. My logic behind this is that Physical processor support is also a description for a physical core, because 1 processor = 1 core = 1 logical processing unit. So that have a Dual Core AMD X2 4800+ is the Same as having Two AMD 4000+'s on a dual socket motherboard. Do you agree or disagree?
I wish we could get some clarification for this. Too bad I don't have a quad setup to test this on ATM.
Another thing I came by was an article about Dell selling Core Duo notebooks, but by default bundling it with Windows XP Home, which supposedly can only utilize or take advantage of one of those cores. I'll see if I can find a link for this.
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#14 Posted by joeydoo on 02 Jun 2006 - 03:23
- Surely Intel can just do this as well. The FSB would be hammered, even more, but they can just rehash a server board and throw in some way of sharing the memory.
I really do hope this becomes popular and intel is forced to follow.
Then we can have dual, quad core Kentsfields in a year or so .....
"This is something we have worked on for a while based on customer feedback," said Brent Barry, director of brand marketing for AMD's FX series of gamer chips.
It's like Gillette adding four razor blades to its razors now. How many is enough? It could get confusing for gamers. But the techies will sort it out, much the same way they have with the Nvidia SLI and ATI Crossfire dual graphics cards: more is better.
While Intel's Conroe chips will allegedly take the performance crown from AMD's own dual-core FX series of microprocessors, AMD can claim leadership in terms of putting four cores into a single PC, allowing for more tasks to be done in parallel. Patrick Moorhead, vice president of global channel marketing, said the new socket would ship in the second half of 2006 and target the high-end gamer segment, which usually means high-priced.