In an instant message chat, Microsoft has told the Windows Featured Communities that the demand for Windows Vista Beta 2 has been overwhelming. It is, in fact, the largest downloaded software in history. Currently, they are serving product keys out ten times faster then the downloads can be served. In fact, they are pumping out bits as fast as they can - any faster and there would be a measurable impact on the internet. In fact, I quote a Microsoft representive:
"So, we are literally saying that if we increased our bandwidth any further there's a possibilty of taking down the Internet - people might have problems with World Cup viewing, etc"
People who have recieved Vista Beta 2 product keys, but are unable to download, may need to wait a few days, up to one week. Microsoft encoruages users who want to try out Windows Vista Beta 2 to order the DVD. When they recieve the DVD in 1-4 weeks, install it, and activate it, they will be automattically guaranteed an RC1 upgrade.
News source: Bink.nu
"So, we are literally saying that if we increased our bandwidth any further there's a possibilty of taking down the Internet - people might have problems with World Cup viewing, etc"
People who have recieved Vista Beta 2 product keys, but are unable to download, may need to wait a few days, up to one week. Microsoft encoruages users who want to try out Windows Vista Beta 2 to order the DVD. When they recieve the DVD in 1-4 weeks, install it, and activate it, they will be automattically guaranteed an RC1 upgrade.
News source: Bink.nu
I also wana know how much bandwith they have used.
Case in point: One of the US -> Australia links was broken a week and a half ago. There were some backups but almost instantly the other links were saturated leading to speeds that ranged over about 8 hours from 2-30kb/s. I say 30kb/s, because that was after ISPs had time to reprioritise some of their connections. http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1636?show=replies
What he is saying is that if they increase their bandwidth, the isps may not be able to handle the extra load.
And that already Vista Beta 2 is taking up a huge % of the current internet traffic happening.
Last edited by Luppy on 10 Jun 2006 - 15:42
Just get it from the Newsgroups. Don't need to worry about corrupted downloads.
Torrents wouldn't give them the record
Are you sure this isn't a PR stunt by Microsoft with a handful of exaggeration put in to impress and convince?
I mean, I've hardly noticed any disruptions on my Internet superhighway.
But maybe that's because MS hasn't increased their capacity yet, as they say? :p
How many times is Vista beta 2 beign downloaded, and by how many people?
Not how many times it was downloaded.
Approx. 3 GB x How many times downloaded = prolly huge amount of net traffic.
That said that sites not perhaps the most accurate measure but I think for general practice its an ok comparison.
edit: this is all in relation to a dload count, not what the article is about I'm aware.
Also is it possible to run vista beta side by side on windows XP?
"Are there new wallpapers? or sounds?
Also is it possible to run vista beta side by side on windows XP? "
Yes, very nice wallpapers. Yes, some new sounds though not many. Login sound still the same for now.
And yes, it is possible to run Vista side-by-side with XP. All you have to do is either install it on a different hard drive, or a separate partition. Vista installer takes care of the boot loader.
Also is it possible to then uninstall vista beta and reversing the boot.ini to load xp? I only want to try it if i dont have to reinstall XP in case i dont like it or its not stable to run all my software.
wy is MS not using BT...also..??
If you've got a legit beta key, you might as well download the ISO via Bittorrent, then you won't have to wait, or ruin someone's World Cup viewing.
But I'd take this whole press release with a grain of salt. Largest download in history? Maybe Vista being so bloated has something to do with skewing those statistics, if they're going by the MB and not number of downloads.
http://research.microsoft.com/~pablo/avalanche.aspx
I am surprised. They could have said biggest download in history, and look at how great we are at the same time.
Before you say BitTorrent isn't piracy, which is technically true, the recording industry in USA has made that "association" so no matter what the legal status, I do not think it will have a positive impact on its reputation for Microsoft.
Flame away.
Besides, there's nothing against creating a small, purpose-built client, and hiding the fact that it is using bittorrent. You'll still get uploads from everyone else who is:
1) downloading
2) finished, but left the computer on overnight and isn't there to turn it off
Their extra input would distirbute the load more effectively (the load on ISPs)
Ok so does that mean they will send them RC1 on DVD later, or they will get the upgrade 'via the net' some how. Maybe the RC1 will upgrade Beta2 somehow .... hmm.... cos from that it seems that they are saying "dont worry about a new build your ok".
So you'd have to go into safe mode from windows xp itself (via the msconfig BOOT.INI tab)
Already installed Vista here, on a seperate partition to windows XP and activated
So you'd have to go into safe mode from windows xp itself (via the msconfig BOOT.INI tab)
Already installed Vista here, on a seperate partition to windows XP and activated
Yes you can actually, after selecting Earlier version of Windows and pressing enter, mash your F8 key until it pops up.
http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthu...rott_50539.html
MS, this is what BT is for - UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH
I like Vista... its much better than XP was in beta , its very diffrent to use at first almost like when switching from win98 to winXP and then when I booted to XP again it felt really old.
MS, this is what BT is for - UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH
I like Vista... its much better than XP was in beta , its very diffrent to use at first almost like when switching from win98 to winXP and then when I booted to XP again it felt really old.
Unlimited Bandwidth? Clearly you have no idea how the internet works.
Instead of congesting nodes near Microsoft's end, BT will cause massive upstream traffic near the user end, which in turn stresses the ISP's upstream, since a lot of ISPs still have smaller upstream links than downstream. Microsoft on the other hand have more upstream bandiwdth than all the users of many ISPs combined would.
This is why in BT you never max your downstream traffic since its limited on how fast others can send it you, and in most cases their uplink is smaller than your downstream. On the other hand I got Vista through Australia's akamai mirror and happily downloaded it at 600Kb/sec.
Interesting though, guess more people are excited for vista than I thought.
As it would cause more people getting vista simultanously, causing more traffic, causing more load on the isps, causing a crash.
As it would cause more people getting vista simultanously, causing more traffic, causing more load on the isps, causing a crash.
But it IS available over Bittorrent already, unofficially. There's no need to speculate, because we have a real world example.
Right now there are about 2500 people downloading Vista simultaneously as I type this (which is a couple of days since the release), and 1000 people sharing it. How many downloads did MS's servers handle?
And no, this isn't the biggest software download in histroy. Bigger things happen when Redhat releases fedora dvd and when Novell releases suse DVDs on ftp servers.
In a few days. that's a lot of bandwidth, also, i think more people than that can be downloading the Beta
MS claims Vista is the biggest software download in history, and we're supposed to go "Ooh, aah!" What does that say about the quality of Vista? Absolutely nothing.
The claim that it is may not even be true, I'd like to see some verifiable stats showing how many copies of the beta were downloaded. I've already seen the p2p results, and they've only been in the thousands. Maybe 50,000 people total on Bittorrent and Emule.
That traffic pales in comparison to the amount of DVDRs being traded on the internet on a daily basis. Then MS goes on to say Vista is so huge it can take down the entire internet. Is that a bug or a feature?
Maybe instead of a 4GB bloated mess, MS should have made Vista 1GB so they don't have to destroy the internet in order to conduct a public beta test.
Can't say enough "In fact", eh?
haha. Got my copy. Will install it when I get a 2nd HD.
Last edited by Ivand on 11 Jun 2006 - 15:50
So...that's the absolute maximum any storage device can hold?
So...that's the absolute maximum any storage device can hold?
He's talking about Data, the android from Star Trek: The Next Generation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek/Data
Ok so MS saturates on thier end, not a big deal if I want to go read neowin.
Maybe me and 1000 of my neighbors are all downloading it, saturating our links. SO WHAT?
You're telling me my ISP doesn't have the traffic shaping/ throttling ability that my 1 neighbor who isnt downloading it is going to have trouble downloading his email?
And if this is being cached by akamai at my ISP, then it's even less of a problem.
And with bittorrent - so what you've got everyone maxing thier upload bandwidth, well isn't that why your isp cap's your upload bandwidth, so you don't kill their connection for your neighbor?
I can see how they might say we're going to saturate a certain amount of network links, but that should be able to be managed by the isp no?
someone straighten me out
Last edited by Proneax on 11 Jun 2006 - 19:28