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Microsoft Has a Big Date Set with 'Black Hat ' Hackers

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 14 June 2006 - 16:06 · 18 comments & 8394 views

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Microsoft's Windows Vista has a date with some of the world's smartest hackers. The software maker will use the spotlight of the Black Hat security conference in August to show off some of the key security features and functionality being fitted into Vista.

Microsoft's appearance on the Black Hat stage is a first on many fronts. Microsoft will be the first software vendor to present an entire Black Hat Briefing track on a pre-release product. It is also the first time a representative from Redmond Wash., will make an official presentation at the controversial hacker confab. According to Microsoft program manager Stephen Toulouse, the idea is to provide "deeply technical presentations" on Vista security to the hacking community. "We submitted several presentations to the Black Hat event organizers and, based on the technical merit and interest to the audience, they were accepted," Toulouse said

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(3 replies) #1 Neobond on 14 Jun 2006 - 16:12
Wouldn't this just invite hackers to prove Microsoft wrong?

Microsoft are touting Vista as the most secure OS ever (don't they claim this with every release?) and to my mind that's just an open invite to cripple all the security measure within Vista before it even launches. Which may be the intention (time to fix stuff) but I seriously doubt it.

Hackers do a good job, but not when it's malicious as is most cases when it comes to Windows, and Microsofts' frequent 'deaf-ear' syndrome when it comes to releasing patches for common vulnerabilities.
#1.1 PureLegend on 14 Jun 2006 - 16:30
Good idea. Let hackers hack an un-hackable product to give hackers a chance to prove that something can be hacked.

Hope they try and hack WGA first...
#1.2 ClintEastman on 14 Jun 2006 - 17:11
This is just the next step on from it's own BlueHat Security Briefings event (They just had the third one), great place to headhunt if you ask me! :p
#1.3 Emphatic on 15 Jun 2006 - 10:37
Well what other intention do they have? It's not like they don't want it to be secure. The Beta is out there it's not like people aren't already looking for flaws. I thought security through obscurity was a bad thing? Seems like a reasonable approach if you ask me.
(1 reply) #2 Pupik on 14 Jun 2006 - 16:30
Aren't the white hats, are those who help and not the black ones?
That's how I remember and always understood it:
Black Hat: Hacks and keep it to himself for more damage in the future.
White Hat: Hacks and let the owners know that they have a security issue.
#2.1 SaLiVa on 14 Jun 2006 - 17:52
You've got that right. Hence why it's controversial and quite a risky move by Microsoft.

I guess everyone (BlackHats included) will be interested to use the new Windows Vista, or at least try it (In their own fashion ) at least once.

I just don't see what's stopping the FBI from being all over this conference.
(1 reply) #3 thagame on 14 Jun 2006 - 17:07
obviously they will give the product to them, they hack it, ms patches it, and continue till final
#3.1 Cierro on 14 Jun 2006 - 18:50
so is windows xp still beta then? lol i mean im just wondering if they continue doing that till final?

and i thot i was using a secure, final, dependable OS. hehe

no personal diggs at MS there, just having fun.
(3 replies) #4 MtDewCodeRedFreak on 14 Jun 2006 - 18:00
Ahhh what abt Vista SP1? Would that include a lot of features that were stripped down from the original, REAL "Vista"? I suspect that Vista SP1 would be a huge filesize (200+ MB) since new features + security patches and hotfixes ..... exactly like XP SP2 and Server 2003 SP1.
#4.1 sphbecker on 14 Jun 2006 - 20:29
No doubt Vista SP1 will be importent, but there is no indication that the features removed will added in a service pack (WinFS being the big exception).

I expect Vista's point release will come soon after Vista (24 months max, maybe less); and will include all of the removed end-user features as well as any other neat ideas they come up with between now that then.

MS is too focused on WinFX with Vista; once that is behind them they will be able to focus on user features.
#4.2 P1R4T3 on 14 Jun 2006 - 21:36
Quote - sphbecker said @ #4.1
No doubt Vista SP1 will be importent, but there is no indication that the features removed will added in a service pack (WinFS being the big exception).

I expect Vista's point release will come soon after Vista (24 months max, maybe less); and will include all of the removed end-user features as well as any other neat ideas they come up with between now that then.

MS is too focused on WinFX with Vista; once that is behind them they will be able to focus on user features.


Found some news about WinFX in an MSDN newsletter:
"WinFX" will be shipped with vista. And its not WinFX anymore, its new name is ".NET Framework 3.0". Yep.

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With this in mind we have decided to rename WinFX to the .NET Framework 3.0. .NET Framework 3.0 aptly identifies the technology for exactly what it is – the next version of our developer framework.
...

...
The .NET Framework 3.0 will still ship with Windows Vista, and will be available down-level for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 as planned. This change doesn’t affect in any way the ship schedules of either Windows Vista or the .NET Framework 3.0 itself.
...

Source : http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/20.../09/624300.aspx
#4.3 sphbecker on 15 Jun 2006 - 03:19
Thanks for the update on the name; I didn't see that but am not surprised. I think you misunderstood me (not that it really matters); I wasn't implying that WinFX would not be in Vista, but that MS is using most of their resources getting it right; ergo other features are slipping.
(1 reply) #5 P1R4T3 on 14 Jun 2006 - 21:22
So wat happened if these black ninjas hackers defeat some inportrant security features in vista and prove that
vista is just like a swiss chese, full of holes?
Its just an assumption (I use microsoft prods. I aint no troll).
So we dont have much time before the release of rc1, and if vista proves to be that "hole-y", will microsoft be able to fix all these probems?
Anf if yes then, the release date will b pushed again.
1.Maybe microsoft is so sure about vista's security features.
2.If not, we'll get vista xmas2007.

Anyways, microsoft seems to be pretty confident about this risky move.
#5.1 Emphatic on 15 Jun 2006 - 10:35
Well it's not like they aren't gonna do it when it's released so at least there's a chance that if flaws are found that fixes can be made.
#6 Sp3ctranova on 15 Jun 2006 - 02:18
...and let the pwnings roll in.


Somehow this brings to mind that ol' story of the "Unsinkable Ship" that smacked into an iceberg on its first time out to sea. And sank.

...what was it called again?
#7 Magallanes on 15 Jun 2006 - 14:06
MS want to lure any blackhat around here, group in a big room, close the door and burn it all!.

Of course a REAL black-hat (or real black-ninja) is also a lurker and will never show themself "hey, i'm a h4ck3r", so any visible black hat is only a script kiddie or a wannabe (or a power ranger)

Anyways a white hat is also a black hat in disguise (or a retired-black hat), you cannot learn to REAL HACK without making some "illegal" stuff, also hack is mainly for funny ^_^ and making some electronic sins is more funny that evaluating some system. A white hat is white for easy and stable money.

But many so called "white hat" are only pawns without fangs, worthy nothing. (ghey!! :-P

There are another choice to be a security expert, to convert in a guru in network, or a guru in some specific system also being creative. "Sadly" many gurus will convert to the dark side of the force (black hat).

#8 j0j081 on 15 Jun 2006 - 16:16
They are hoping the hackers will find security holes so they can fix them before it's released. It's not Microsoft saying Vista is unhackable so have your go at it.
#9 SimplyPotatoes on 16 Jun 2006 - 07:58
same thing as last, seems like i keep going back in time x.x

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