China Cost Film Industry ‘$2.7bn’ Last Year

#1 ahhell on 19 Jun 2006 - 16:42

Whatever.

(7 replies) #2 Nose Nuggets on 19 Jun 2006 - 16:45

right, assuming 100% of the people buying a bootleg copy on the street for $10, or nothing for a downloaded copy, would actually spend $30 on the dvd if the pirated versions where wiped from the face of the earth.

you movie folks should be happy there are torrents, cuz i wouldn't watch half of this crap you call entertainment if it wasn't free.

#2.1 Ji@nBing on 19 Jun 2006 - 16:54

The stuff on the street is more like $1. I lived in China for a few years. 1 DVD sold for $1 does not=a lost sale that would have cost $20-30. They simply wouldn't have bought the movie if it was that much.

Also, I'm not justifying it, but the people selling these movies aren't exactly that rich. Most have no education and no other employment prospects, and would be a beggar on the streets if they couldn't sell movies/software. When I was living there, was I more willing to give some guy $1 so he could feed his family, rather than $20 so the MPAA can further line thier pockets? You bet I was.

#2.2 V0b0 on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:53

Quote - Nose Nuggets said @ #2

you movie folks should be happy there are torrents, cuz i wouldn't watch half of this crap you call entertainment if it wasn't free.

no doubt, awesome quote! when did the movie industry become pure business people? aren't they supposed to be 'artists'?

#2.3 V0b0 on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:55

Quote - Ji@nBing said @ #2.1

The stuff on the street is more like $1. I lived in China for a few years. 1 DVD sold for $1 does not=a lost sale that would have cost $20-30. They simply wouldn't have bought the movie if it was that much.

Also, I'm not justifying it, but the people selling these movies aren't exactly that rich. Most have no education and no other employment prospects, and would be a beggar on the streets if they couldn't sell movies/software. When I was living there, was I more willing to give some guy $1 so he could feed his family, rather than $20 so the MPAA can further line thier pockets? You bet I was.

living in China right now and i'd have to agree. the picture the MPAA paints of these filthy rich chinese factories pumping out thousands of CD's and street vendors rolling around in lexus's is complete hogwash.

#2.4 Saymaad Mansoor on 19 Jun 2006 - 18:15

Quote - Ji@nBing said @ #2.1

The stuff on the street is more like $1. I lived in China for a few years. 1 DVD sold for $1 does not=a lost sale that would have cost $20-30. They simply wouldn't have bought the movie if it was that much.

Also, I'm not justifying it, but the people selling these movies aren't exactly that rich. Most have no education and no other employment prospects, and would be a beggar on the streets if they couldn't sell movies/software. When I was living there, was I more willing to give some guy $1 so he could feed his family, rather than $20 so the MPAA can further line thier pockets? You bet I was.

Completely agreed the only reason of such piracy is the lack of money for the poor if they need to survive this is their only hope

cause movies/software/games are the best sellers nowadays.

#2.5 GAM on 19 Jun 2006 - 19:04

Quote - V0b0 said @ #2.3

living in China right now and i'd have to agree. the picture the MPAA paints of these filthy rich chinese factories pumping out thousands of CD's and street vendors rolling around in lexus's is complete hogwash.

As long as Tom Cruise can fly around in his private jet, then I don't think anyone would care if street vendors roll around in a Lexus.....

#2.6 Cierro on 19 Jun 2006 - 21:40

Quote - Saymaad Mansoor said @ #2.4

Quote - Ji@nBing said @ #2.1

The stuff on the street is more like $1. I lived in China for a few years. 1 DVD sold for $1 does not=a lost sale that would have cost $20-30. They simply wouldn't have bought the movie if it was that much.

Also, I'm not justifying it, but the people selling these movies aren't exactly that rich. Most have no education and no other employment prospects, and would be a beggar on the streets if they couldn't sell movies/software. When I was living there, was I more willing to give some guy $1 so he could feed his family, rather than $20 so the MPAA can further line thier pockets? You bet I was.

Completely agreed the only reason of such piracy is the lack of money for the poor if they need to survive this is their only hope

cause movies/software/games are the best sellers nowadays.

exactly. i actually feel really bad for the poor.

plus. i doubt its 93%. i think their crying poverty wen they got the money. assholes suck.

#2.7 Ji@nBing on 20 Jun 2006 - 00:08

Quote - Cierro said @ #2.6

Quote - Saymaad Mansoor said @ #2.4

Quote - Ji@nBing said @ #2.1

The stuff on the street is more like $1. I lived in China for a few years. 1 DVD sold for $1 does not=a lost sale that would have cost $20-30. They simply wouldn't have bought the movie if it was that much.

Also, I'm not justifying it, but the people selling these movies aren't exactly that rich. Most have no education and no other employment prospects, and would be a beggar on the streets if they couldn't sell movies/software. When I was living there, was I more willing to give some guy $1 so he could feed his family, rather than $20 so the MPAA can further line thier pockets? You bet I was.

Completely agreed the only reason of such piracy is the lack of money for the poor if they need to survive this is their only hope

cause movies/software/games are the best sellers nowadays.

exactly. i actually feel really bad for the poor.

plus. i doubt its 93%. i think their crying poverty wen they got the money. assholes suck.

Oh, they're actually not exagerating on that. It really is at least 93% there. You can't leave the house without seeing street vendors selling movies. In the subway, sidewalk, in front of the grocery store, ect.. everywhere there is some guy with a little rickety wagon selling movies. But believe me, they are not making billions from this. If they were, you'd think they could at least afford a better wagon

#3 Co_Co on 19 Jun 2006 - 16:47

While I agree there is probably a HUGE counterfeit movie business in China, any numbers the MPAA gives me i'll take with a grain of salt.

#4 Enigma776 on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:02

oh yea they make it sound a lot worse than it actually is. any one can make figures look better with a bit of maths knowledge

#5 nw_raptor on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:11

Heeeeere we go again.....

#6 RangerLG on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:11

No film industry, your choice of crappy movies offered cost you $2.7bn last year.

(1 reply) #7 Richardo on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:14

Notice it says it COST them 2.7bn... like china is withdrawing money from US Big Business..

Realistically it missed 2.7bn in potential sales, it didn't "cost" anything.

#7.1 ^^12 on 19 Jun 2006 - 21:56

Quote - Richardo said @ #7

Notice it says it COST them 2.7bn... like china is withdrawing money from US Big Business..

Realistically it missed 2.7bn in potential sales, it didn't "cost" anything.

This is wut i thought exactly as I read the title.

#8 gph58 on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:14

F**K the Da*** MPAA -- they also got caught doing illegal activity

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#9 bobbba on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:20

It's because the movie industry is so greedy that there is such a strong demand for pirate copies. If they charged a more reasonable fee, like $10 per film, there would be a lot less piracy. The same thing happens with software like Windows and Office.

Music CD's have come down a lot in price because of piracy and I for one am buying more CD's now that they are more affordable. The same thing needs to happen with DVD's. Although if they keep loading the disc's with sh!tty piracy adverts etc that you can't skip I'll be more inclined to go with the downloads.

(1 reply) #10 bid1 on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:40

What amazes me is how they and the RIAA come up with these numbers? $2.7bn. Not 2, not 3. An exact $2.7.
The last time I took a date to see a movie, it cost me about $40 for a very substandard movie 2 cokes and some popcorn. I thought that was steep. I never went back and I am never going to.

#10.1 Smigit on 19 Jun 2006 - 18:13

I wouldnt call 2.7 billion an exact figure by any stretch of the imagination, theres a huge gap between 2 and 3 billion, getting a figure inbetween (and to only 1 decimal) wouldnt be that hard.

#11 mohan_168 on 19 Jun 2006 - 17:46

Entertainment should be made TAX free. Multiplex Cinema halls charge exhorbitant rates for the Weekends and are a little less greedy during the weekdays.
Food in a multiplex costs double of what it does outside the theater.

When i spend 250 (Indian rupees = 5USD ) for a single movie + the $2 spent on food stall i better download and burn 6 movies on a DVD for 20 rupees ( ~1/3rd $USD )
Middle income group just wont pay and go the street way of pirating

#12 Nose Nuggets on 19 Jun 2006 - 18:47

i guess you will just have to stop making movies

(1 reply) #13 frogworm on 19 Jun 2006 - 18:51

this is a propoganda war. no one i know of around here even talks about this subject let alone cares about the controversy yet every movie and music article defaults to ending with blah blah of America this blah blah America that fueling the anti-American movement. why you felt this article had to be known is beyond me but try finding one that talks about the anti-piracy headlines without an American reference aka the FBI shutdown PirateBay, the CIA was dead wrong finding weapons (okay, that was thrown in for fun since i suspect some that hate the corporations happen to hate government too), the MPAA is trying to gouge your wallet, the petroleum industry is trying to starve you to death (arg, they making my fuel expenses super pricey yo!

. i'm sure ill get some smart remarks like, "well, those statements are for the most part true" but if you open your eyes you will see that whether they are true or not we don't have to hear about it all of the freaking time. we don't live and die thinking movies and music.

#13.1 bobbba on 19 Jun 2006 - 20:08

... and yet the more people act passively, the worse they will be treated:

Rootkits in audio CD's
Spyware in game copy protection
Adverts and trailers in DVD's that can't be skipped
Media players that only play restricted media types

How does the phrase go

for bad things to happen all it takes is for good people to do nothing...

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#14 Divide Overflow on 19 Jun 2006 - 18:55

This seems like the right time to bring back an old phrase: Voodoo Economics

#15 Fubar on 19 Jun 2006 - 18:56

the movie industry is doing it , stop making crap remakes of films and actualy make decent films simple as

#16 Landlocked on 19 Jun 2006 - 19:07

Stop paying over-paid actors $30 million per film would be a great way to get back some of the money lost to pirating.

While you're at it, stop product placement in Happy Meals (like Disney recently did) so the U.S. can curb the glut of fat kiddies running around. This will help keep health care, for us common folks, from going even higher.

#17 Croquant on 19 Jun 2006 - 19:07

Hollywood hasn't got any original ideas left, so screw them. Let them rot, I say!
Don't buy the new HDMI-DRM crap, don't buy Windows Vista, don't buy HD-DVD or BlueRay, and don't go to the overpriced movie theatres.
Maybey if everyone did that the MPAA woul finaly get the message.

#18 eilegz on 19 Jun 2006 - 20:01

I wonder how they know how much they lost??, Its increible i would rather ask them how much money they spent on DRM and protection scheme??

#19 m-head on 19 Jun 2006 - 20:18

A big budget movie is fine, what they pay actors isn't.

#20 ThePitt on 19 Jun 2006 - 20:27

this means that u.s. will enter in a new war with China?. If not, I dont care, hah

(1 reply) #21 EduardValencia on 19 Jun 2006 - 20:50

love you people of china,love how you pirate and abuse of other country technologies,thank you for the million jobs lost on the rest of the world,because of your cheap productivity,thanks a lot!

#21.1 omega3112 on 19 Jun 2006 - 21:10

Quote - EduardValencia said @ #21

love you people of china,love how you pirate and abuse of other country technologies,...

ahahaa, "gun"powder, ...

Quote - EduardValencia said @ #21

... thank you for the million jobs lost on the rest of the world,because of your cheap productivity,thanks a lot

if i were chinese, than i would thank YOUR big US companies coming to china and letting us work for them, well-paid work that is... really, thanks!

#22 Osprey on 19 Jun 2006 - 21:42

Most people who buy the $1 DVDs and download the movies wouldn't pay full price if they had to. They're probably missing out on only 1/10th of the money that they mention, and even that's probably made up for by the interest in movies that the piracy maintains or even increases (ex. if you pirated the first two Spiderman movies and loved them, you're more likely to spend money on the 3rd when it comes out).

#23 mc_leish on 20 Jun 2006 - 00:53

i lived in China last year and you coulb by DVD's for close and some times uder 50c, maybe if the DVD Sales in Western Countries lowerd the prices, were i have to pay $50 for a new release.

(1 reply) #24 Quick Reply on 20 Jun 2006 - 01:04

I highly doubt many movies are downloaded in China, that primary distribution is physical media which are sold for about 1USD each after conversion.

#24.1 tiwaris on 20 Jun 2006 - 19:12

You have no idea about the amount of piracy in China. No one even dares to pay 1USD for a movie. They download it, watch it and either store it or delete it. Only families who do not have an internet connection chill out dollars.

(1 reply) #25 Toology on 20 Jun 2006 - 02:18

You can't lose money on DVDs and movie tickets you never would have sold. Most people who pirate, as someone already mentioned, most likely wouldn't have bought the movie "legitimately" anyway. The same goes for software and music.

#25.1 MrCobra on 20 Jun 2006 - 04:50

Exactly. You can't lose something you didn't have to begin with.

#26 pollaxe on 20 Jun 2006 - 08:00

“There are lies, damn lies and statistics.”
Mark Twain/Benjamin Disraeli/Winston Churchill/Etc.

#27 kljs on 20 Jun 2006 - 10:11

social-economics.....

(1 reply) #28 Mr_Mo on 20 Jun 2006 - 16:32

According to a global movie body, movie piracy in China is costing the industry $2.7bn a year

This proves how expensive movies are in china.

#28.1 Magallanes on 20 Jun 2006 - 17:36

Quote - Mr_Mo said @ #28

According to a global movie body, movie piracy in China is costing the industry $2.7bn a year

This proves how expensive movies are in china.

LOL.

#29 tiwaris on 20 Jun 2006 - 19:06

Well, I don't support piracy, but this news for some reason makes me feel happy and delighted.

Any money that industries outside China lost is bascially the money China gained (by not paying those dollars to an outfit outside China).

Any money that Chinese movie studios lost is basically the money that remained in the hands of the poor Chinese people (instead of going into the pockets of those who already have millions).

I don't see any loosers. Unless, the movie studios are at the brisk of filing for bankruptcy, they should not be allowed to charge for their content (99.99999...% of which is anyway utter crap).

Last edited by tiwaris on 20 Jun 2006 - 19:13

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