Post Beta 2 Vista Improvements
Posted by shishyan on 30 July 2006 - 23:23 · 28 comments & 11763 views
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#1 Posted by aStRaLgOd on 30 Jul 2006 - 23:34
- Quote -Window's Vista Team Blog
Someone's having a misspell problem!
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#2 Posted by M2Ys4U on 31 Jul 2006 - 00:27
- Glad to hear they're listening to the users
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#3 Posted by billyea on 31 Jul 2006 - 00:45
- Seeing these blogs and all the end-user usablity improvements they've added really gives Microsoft a good 'human' image.
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#4 Posted by Ravensworth on 31 Jul 2006 - 02:25
- Those are all some very good changes, it's nice to see that they are taking the feedback seriously.
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#5 Posted by bob_c_b on 31 Jul 2006 - 02:46
- I noticed during the OneCare and Live Mail betas they were being very responsive, glad to see this keep carrying over.
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#6 Posted by Zhivago on 31 Jul 2006 - 02:56
- "Brought back List mode in our List views"
Thank you, Jesus.
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#7 Posted by PC OwNz on 31 Jul 2006 - 03:16
- awesome! i heart MS
cant wait for RC1...plz come out mid august lol
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#8 Posted by dugbug on 31 Jul 2006 - 03:43
- I was surprised that anyone used list view, but what a passionate bunch they are
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#8.1 Posted by kaiwai on 31 Jul 2006 - 06:51
- Quote - dugbug said @ #8I was surprised that anyone used list view, but what a passionate bunch they are
Why are you surprised? have you ever tried to select multiple files using icon view; it isn't pretty. Give me list view *anyday* -
#8.2 Posted by Phemo on 31 Jul 2006 - 09:35
- Quote - dugbug said @ #8I was surprised that anyone used list view, but what a passionate bunch they are
I always use list view myself. In my resolution with a full-size Explorer window I can fit just over 200 icons on my screen. In detail view I can see 50. List view is the only way to go when working with folders containing lots of files.
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#9 Posted by unkle stu on 31 Jul 2006 - 06:17
- list view ftw
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#10 Posted by ~*McoreD*~ on 31 Jul 2006 - 07:58
- I said: It would be REAL NICE if Vista could use the IEC prefixes for file/folder sizes. There is NO recalculation needed, only a label change. Just have to change KB to KiB, MB to MiB, GB to GiB etc. This would really help the wide circulation of the new binary prefixes.
If proper prefixes are implemented, then there will be no more confusion among us users. People won't be questioning how 200 GB became 186 GB! In Vista, a 200 GB HDD will be read as 186 GiB and everybody will be happy.
Please take this issue seriously. We are slowing down the standardization of proper prefixes by not using it in Windows. No even Apple has done it yet for their Mac OS X, and it will be great if Windows can first use it.
What you guys think? -
#10.1 Posted by freeeekyyy on 31 Jul 2006 - 08:33
- Quote - ~*McoreD*~ said @ #10I said: It would be REAL NICE if Vista could use the IEC prefixes for file/folder sizes. There is NO recalculation needed, only a label change. Just have to change KB to KiB, MB to MiB, GB to GiB etc. This would really help the wide circulation of the new binary prefixes.
If proper prefixes are implemented, then there will be no more confusion among us users. People won't be questioning how 200 GB became 186 GB! In Vista, a 200 GB HDD will be read as 186 GiB and everybody will be happy.
Please take this issue seriously. We are slowing down the standardization of proper prefixes by not using it in Windows. No even Apple has done it yet for their Mac OS X, and it will be great if Windows can first use it.
What you guys think?
But GiB makes no sense. A gigabyte is 1,024 megabytes. Adding another letter doesn't change that. 1,000 is incorrect, not 1,024. -
#10.2 Posted by =NickJ= on 31 Jul 2006 - 09:09
- Quote - freeeekyyy said @ #10.1Quote - ~*McoreD*~ said @ #10I said: It would be REAL NICE if Vista could use the IEC prefixes for file/folder sizes. There is NO recalculation needed, only a label change. Just have to change KB to KiB, MB to MiB, GB to GiB etc. This would really help the wide circulation of the new binary prefixes.
If proper prefixes are implemented, then there will be no more confusion among us users. People won't be questioning how 200 GB became 186 GB! In Vista, a 200 GB HDD will be read as 186 GiB and everybody will be happy.
Please take this issue seriously. We are slowing down the standardization of proper prefixes by not using it in Windows. No even Apple has done it yet for their Mac OS X, and it will be great if Windows can first use it.
What you guys think?
But GiB makes no sense. A gigabyte is 1,024 megabytes. Adding another letter doesn't change that. 1,000 is incorrect, not 1,024.
GiB stands for Gibibyte, which is actually 1,024 megabytes. "Giga" means 1,000,000,000, so calling 1,000 megabytes a Gigabyte is actually correct. Gibibyte is a mesh of the words giga binary byte -
#10.3 Posted by fobban on 31 Jul 2006 - 09:35
- Personally i think KiB, MiB etc. are the ugliest prefixes ever, and also completely useless. If someone uses a computer and doesn't know computers use the binary numeral system and thinks KB represents 1000 bytes, why would they know what Kibi or Gibi means, or for that matter byte, bit...?
There are some problems though, for example the size labeling of hard drives where 1 GB is 1,000,000 megabytes, which can confuse people (if they aren't aware of it). So maybe some kind of standardization is needed but personally I don't think so. -
#10.4 Posted by XerXis on 31 Jul 2006 - 10:14
- Quote - fobban said @ #10.3Personally i think KiB, MiB etc. are the ugliest prefixes ever, and also completely useless. If someone uses a computer and doesn't know computers use the binary numeral system and thinks KB represents 1000 bytes, why would they know what Kibi or Gibi means, or for that matter byte, bit...?
There are some problems though, for example the size labeling of hard drives where 1 GB is 1,000,000 megabytes, which can confuse people (if they aren't aware of it). So maybe some kind of standardization is needed but personally I don't think so.
actually KB represents 1000 bytes, there are ISO standards about that and they should be followed! -
#10.5 Posted by =NickJ= on 31 Jul 2006 - 12:17
- Quote - fobban said @ #10.3Personally i think KiB, MiB etc. are the ugliest prefixes ever, and also completely useless. If someone uses a computer and doesn't know computers use the binary numeral system and thinks KB represents 1000 bytes, why would they know what Kibi or Gibi means, or for that matter byte, bit...?
There are some problems though, for example the size labeling of hard drives where 1 GB is 1,000,000 megabytes, which can confuse people (if they aren't aware of it). So maybe some kind of standardization is needed but personally I don't think so.
GB does represent 1,000,000 bytes, GiB represents 1,073,741,824 bytes -
#10.6 Posted by mrbester on 31 Jul 2006 - 13:12
- Quote -actually KB represents 1000 bytes
No it doesn't. K is Kelvin, so 4KB is "four Kelvin Bytes". If it was a lower case k then perhaps there might be a case in point, but the case of the letter preceding B is considered irrelevant in that instance. That is why there is the (engendered by the hard drive manufacturers) "confusion". There is no actual definition for KB, it is just a popular usage that has become the norm. Theoretically the standards should be reflecting the usage of a two letter unit as distinct from a combination of two one letter units for computer storage. That way MB always means 1024^2 bytes, GB always means 1024^3 Bytes, rather than the metric multiplier followed by Bytes. -
#10.7 Posted by freeeekyyy on 31 Jul 2006 - 22:58
- Quote - =NickJ= said @ #10.2Quote - freeeekyyy said @ #10.1Quote - ~*McoreD*~ said @ #10I said: It would be REAL NICE if Vista could use the IEC prefixes for file/folder sizes. There is NO recalculation needed, only a label change. Just have to change KB to KiB, MB to MiB, GB to GiB etc. This would really help the wide circulation of the new binary prefixes.
If proper prefixes are implemented, then there will be no more confusion among us users. People won't be questioning how 200 GB became 186 GB! In Vista, a 200 GB HDD will be read as 186 GiB and everybody will be happy.
Please take this issue seriously. We are slowing down the standardization of proper prefixes by not using it in Windows. No even Apple has done it yet for their Mac OS X, and it will be great if Windows can first use it.
What you guys think?
But GiB makes no sense. A gigabyte is 1,024 megabytes. Adding another letter doesn't change that. 1,000 is incorrect, not 1,024.
GiB stands for Gibibyte, which is actually 1,024 megabytes. "Giga" means 1,000,000,000, so calling 1,000 megabytes a Gigabyte is actually correct. Gibibyte is a mesh of the words giga binary byte
That's not what the definition has been for 20 years, why change it? -
#10.8 Posted by Leolo on 31 Jul 2006 - 23:34
- Quote -That's not what the definition has been for 20 years, why change it?
Because currently it's a horrible mess. In the computing world, the word "mega" sometimes means 1000*1000 and other times means 1024*1024.
Processors are measured in MHz (mega here means 1000*1000) but RAM is measured in MB (where mega means 1024*1024).
The SerialATA II interface has a 3000 Mb/s transfer rate (mega=1000*1000) but programs like HDTach measure the transfer rate of your hard drive in MB/s (where mega means 1024*1024).
Your internet connection speed is measured by your ISP in kb/s (kilo meaning 1000) but your internet browser shows it in KB/s (kilo meaning 1024).
Blank DVD-R discs have 4700 MB of capacity (mega meaning 1000*1000) but CD-R discs have 700 MB (mega meaning 1024*1024).
And, of course, all the hard drive manufacturers in the world use the decimal definition of mega (1000*1000) to indicate the capacity of the HD, but Windows still uses the incorrect definition of mega (1024*1024).
It's really a sad state of affairs. The only clear and sane solution to this mess is to stop using the incorrect definitions and to start using the correct ones.
Regards.
Last edited by Leolo on 31 Jul 2006 - 23:43
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#11 Posted by Zyphrax on 31 Jul 2006 - 09:02
- DVB-S support in MediaCenter would be very nice with QAM support.
I hate the freakin IR connection with the topboxes. It causes a lot of misrecorded programs.
And yeah I tweaked it in all possible ways by all possible means.
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#12 Posted by Fr@nKy on 31 Jul 2006 - 10:56
- Well I doubt that RC-1 will be the latest Beta Release! From what I've seen we will need at least RC2 before the final release. Things are going well but there's to much to do to make of Vista a competetitor of XP SP2. In fact the biggest opponent of Vista is XP
LoL
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#13 Posted by kronik on 31 Jul 2006 - 12:17
- I said that rearranging the windows in the taskbar via drag and drop would be nice
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#14 Posted by Croquant on 31 Jul 2006 - 22:01
- "Made it so .zip and .cab files are sorted along with files, not along with folders"
Why was this the other way before? Apparently someone was having a hard time deciding if a compresd file is a file or a folder. It's a file that has other files in it, m'k? It's not a folder because it's not part of the directory tree. If you can't get to the folder by using a CD: command, it's not a folder. End of story.
Whoever proposed sorting compressed files as if they were folders ought to be shot.. or at least fired.
As we come into the home stretch in the Windows Vista development cycle, we’ve got a lot of stuff left to do to make this the best Windows release ever. As we do this, we wanted to take a moment to thank you for your feedback and give you an idea of the ways you’re helping. We’ve gotten feedback from all types of people – general consumers, IT Professionals, enthusiasts – you name it -- from all around the world.
Some of the development teams came to me and asked that we share a sampling of the changes that we’ve made based on your feedback.
While some of these changes may seem small, when you realize that they will affect hundreds of millions of people -- and in some cases, those people will notice the benefit every time they use the operating system -- well, in all it’s really pretty awesome. Here are just a few of the changes we’ve implemented as a direct result of your feedback from Beta 2. Many of these changes are in recent post-Beta 2 builds, and all will definitely be included in our RC-1 release.