Mac Pro models using Intel Xeon "Woodcrest" processors have now replaced the PowerPC-based Power Mac G5 models. With this release, Apple has completed its transition to Intel processors. Previously released Intel-based models included two notebooks (MacBook and MacBook Pro) and two entry-level desktop products (Mac mini and iMac). Like the Power Mac G5 that it replaces, the Mac Pro uses four CPU cores to achieve maximum performance. Apple's benchmarks show a performance increase that could be as high as 110% over previous Power Mac Quad G5 models depending on how your Mac Pro is configured. The Mac Pro can be equipped with up to 16GB of RAM.
According to Philip Schiller, senior vice-president of worldwide product marketing, the Mac Pro will cost less than a comparably configured Dell PC.
The Mac Pro is now available for order in the United States.
News source: The Toronto Star
According to Philip Schiller, senior vice-president of worldwide product marketing, the Mac Pro will cost less than a comparably configured Dell PC.
The Mac Pro is now available for order in the United States.
News source: The Toronto Star
People complain.
Gotta hate the price :-<
And once again , Apple lies...
Just did a compare
Mac Pro $12,748.00
Dell Precision 690 $9,098
I tried to match everything as best as possible, I might have mistaken but I can't see where
also even if the match isn't +90% identical there is nothing to justify ~4000 usd more
I guess that as always Apple spin doctors use a comparison between 2 unrealistic setups from both makers so if challenged they can say... "but look at this model and that... we are cheaper!"
Last edited by Beastage on 08 Aug 2006 - 14:32
Many others did the compare and came up that Apple was cheaper.
Maybe you choose the 16 GB RAM. Apple always charge extra (a lot) for the ram.
Last edited by coolchan on 08 Aug 2006 - 14:37
Many others did the compare and came up that Apple was cheaper.
yes I'm trying to figure out a way to get some sort of a short summary of both systems.
I just did a quick comparison.
Apple: $4,149.00
Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
1GB (2 x 512MB)
250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
1 x SuperDrive
Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English
Mac OS X - U.S. English
Dell: $5,109.00
Dell Precision Workstation 690 (750w - 64bit) Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Professional, x64 Edition with Media
2nd Processor Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Memory 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
Keyboard USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Monitors No Monitor Option
Graphic Cards 512MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4500, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Boot Hard Drive 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™
Hard Drive Configuration C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options No Floppy Drive
Mouse Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll
CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
Last edited by coolchan on 08 Aug 2006 - 14:48
Dell Precision Workstation 690 (1KW - 64bit) Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667
Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Professional, x64 Edition with Media
2nd Processor Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667
Memory 16GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC in Riser (8 DIMMS)
Keyboard Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard with built-in 2-port USB Hub
Monitors Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
Graphic Cards 512MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4500, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Boot Hard Drive 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
Hard Drive Configuration C3 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 4 drive total configuration
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options No Floppy Drive
Mouse Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll
CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices 48XCDRW AND 16XDVD+/-RW, w/Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™
Speakers No Speaker option
Resource CD No Resource CD
2nd Hard Drive 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
Hard Drive Internal Controller Option SATA/SAS Integrated Card - For Connecting Internal Hard Drives
Hardware Support Services 3 Year On-site Economy Plan
Installation Services No Onsite System Setup
Intel Hyper-Threading Hyper-Threading feature preset to ON. Can be disabled/enabled in BIOS.
3rd Hard Drive 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
4th Hard Drive 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
TOTAL:$9,141.00
Apple
Mac Pro
Part Number: Z0D8
1 x SuperDrive
Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
Accessory kit
Two 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
16GB (8 x 2GB)
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
Mac OS X - U.S. English
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
Estimated Ship: 7-10 business days Remove $12,049.00 $12,049.00
Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel)
Part Number: M9177LL/A
Estimated Ship: Within 24 hours Remove $699.00 $699.00
Cart Subtotal: $12,748.00
Well everyone knows that RAMs are overpriced at apple.com. But the the RAM you choose at Dell is only 533 MHz, while Apple's are 667MHz.
Look at my configurations which matches the barebone Mac Pro. Apple is cheaper.
Buy your computer at Apple, buy your RAM at some place else.
Last edited by coolchan on 08 Aug 2006 - 14:57
Well everyone knows that RAMs are overpriced at apple.com. But the the RAM you choose at Dell is only 533 MHz, while Apple's are 667MHz.
Look at my configurations which matches the barebone Mac Pro. Apple is cheaper.
The diffrence in ram prices is 2000usd, there's still a ~2000usd gap and I think the Dell has more features including extended guarnatee.
In anyway the statement by apple's vice president is wrong.
Well everyone knows that RAMs are overpriced at apple.com. But the the RAM you choose at Dell is only 533 MHz, while Apple's are 667MHz.
Look at my configurations which matches the barebone Mac Pro. Apple is cheaper.
The diffrence in ram prices is 2000usd, there's still a ~2000usd gap and I think the Dell has more features including extended guarnatee.
In anyway the statement by apple's vice president is wrong.
The Dell display is cheaper too.
Based on the barebone comparison he's right.
Well everyone knows that RAMs are overpriced at apple.com. But the the RAM you choose at Dell is only 533 MHz, while Apple's are 667MHz.
Look at my configurations which matches the barebone Mac Pro. Apple is cheaper.
Buy your computer at Apple, buy your RAM at some place else.
Just build everything yourself, thats cheaper than anything
Just build everything yourself, thats cheaper than anything
Yeah. But we are not talking about a cheap gaming box here. If someone want the kind of hardware (expensive), they probably don't want to build it themselves anyway.
yea, didn't catch that one. he should've choose Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5160 3.00GHz, 4MB L2,1333.
Didn't notice that, I choose what was available from the Dell's site
Apple
======
Two 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
4GB (4 x 1GB)
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
1 x SuperDrive
AirPort Extreme card (Wi-fi)
$6,698.00
Dell
======
Dell Precision Workstation
Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 T6307 [222-1821] 1
Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11
2nd Processor:
Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 PR300 [311-5915] 2
Memory:
4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS) 4G4E6 [311-6398] 3
Graphic Cards:
512MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4500, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA FX4500 [320-4765] 6
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ 500ST [341-3728] 8
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ 500STA [341-3732] 23
48XCDRW AND 16XDVD+/-RW, w/Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ CDRM16 [313-4283] 16
3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690] 10
No Monitor Option NMN [320-3316] 5
Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11 b/g) WLAN USB 2.0 DT Adapter DW1450 [430-1181] 19
USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys U [310-7949] 4
Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll LOB [310-7958] 12
3 Year Business Essential Plan PADP3YR [902-4902][970-1012][970-6580][981-8389][984-2917][984-2918] 29
only $5,871
almost $1,000 less......
--edit: adam beat me to it.
The ONLY way that Apple's Mac Pro is cheaper is if you only have 1GB of RAM, using the paltry 2.66GHz procs, 1 Superdrive, smallest hard drive, lowest end nVidia card option and NO displays. At this point the price is $180 less than a Dell Precision similarly configured. In most cases the Mac Pro is more. In fact, configuring it as I need it for my work the DELL would be $2,083 (USD) less! See the configs below.
===============================================
Dell Precision Workstation 690 (1KW-64bit) - $6,313
Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5160 3.00GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5160 3.00GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Genuine Windows® XP Professional, x64 Edition with Media
4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC, In Riser (4 DIMMS)
512MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4500, Dual DVI
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
SATA/SAS Integrated Card - For Connecting Internal Hard Drives
16XDVD+/-RW, w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™
16XDVD+/-RW, w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™
No Floppy Drive
Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
3Yr Parts + Onsite Labor (Next Business Day)
============================================
Apple Mac Pro - $8,396.00
Two 3GHz Dual-Core Intel XEON Processors
4GB RAM (4 X 1GB)
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
2 x Superdrives
nVidia Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
Apple Cinema Display (20” flat panel)
Apple Cinema Display (20” flat panel)
Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse
Mac OS X – U.S. English
AppleCare 3yr Service Plan
It has been said numerous times that in these comparisons, Apple is using the new Woodcrest chips. Dell is not (they are using the old ones).
In addition, if people purchased their RAM elsewhere, Apple would still be cheaper.
This is comparison exhibited at the WWDC. Not only is Apple using the new chips and Dell using the old, Apple is still cheaper (though this may be because they are using different graphics cards. If they were using the same, I'd imagine the price would be the close if not the same.) That shows that Apple is indeed cheaper than Dells.
I think the myth that Apple is more expensive comes from the fact that Apple does not sell "low end" products. I mean their crappiest computer the Mac Mini (well I wont lie, its kinda crappy lol) is still not too bad for the price.
And the lowest laptop, the MacBook, is by far the best deal for a laptop with those specs. Note the bold.
It's not a fair comparison to compare some crap Dell Inspiron with the MacBook even though both are each company's respective "lower range" product because the MacBook hardware is so much better.
It's not a fair comparison to compare some crap Dell Inspiron with the MacBook even though both are each company's respective "lower range" product because the MacBook hardware is so much better.
In what way? Surely it's much of a muchness - bad reports about both (although Dell's volumes are somewhat larger) and both use the same hardware don't they?
8 Months to transition from one hardware platform to another is not only quick, it's unprecedented. The nearly seamless way that it was done is nothing short of incredible.
8 Months to transition from one hardware platform to another is not only quick, it's unprecedented. The nearly seamless way that it was done is nothing short of incredible.
...except they've been porting OSX to x86 for longer, it's just they didn't go public until more recently.
However for you mac fans heres a little note the 5100 Xeons are woodcrest core processors the only diffrence in these systems the ram speeds ok
</Sarcasm>Notice how much pride Apple has in the intelligence of it's users by not giving the neither the model numbers or specs of the processors they use</sarcasm>
one word, bootcamp.
one word, bootcamp.
Well.. two. It's "boot camp"
Also, the Macbook can be as much as $600 more compared to other notebook pcs you can get with the same exact specs.
Because it is not needed, the woodcrests and DDR2 667 both run at 333MHz.
Apple said you could buy A Mac Pro for less than a comparably spec'd Dell. They didn't say you could buy ANY Mac Pro (or any Mac at all) for less than a comparable Dell machine. And they are correct. They priced their base Mac Pro lower than the Dell specifically so they could make that claim. People hear it, choose Apple over Dell, go to Apple, and either buy the base machine, or more likely, upgrade it to their liking, in which case the price is comparable or a bit more than a similar Dell machine.
But in the end, Apple did its job, they got another customer. I hope you all enjoyed your little "I'm right! No, I'm right!" session.
Dells don't run OS X.
Just think about that.
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