According to sources at Microsoft, the company plans to ship Windows Vista Release Candidate 1 (RC1) in early September. More important, perhaps, is that Microsoft still plans to release Vista to manufacturing by the end of October as previously planned, defying rumors that the company would delay Vista yet again.
Although I'm not at liberty to divulge the full contents of the message, Microsoft has placed build 5520 into escrow as the RC1 of Vista. This build will be released to testers and the public after the Labor Day holiday in the United States, which falls this year on September 4. Currently, Microsoft expects to ship RC1 on or after September 7.
Meanwhile, the release to manufacturing (RTM), or final, version of Vista is set for a September 2006 escrow and final release on or before October 25. We can expect a Longhorn Server Beta 3 release in first quarter 2007, an RC2 release in second quarter 2007, and the final release in the second half of 2007.
News source: WindowsITPro
Although I'm not at liberty to divulge the full contents of the message, Microsoft has placed build 5520 into escrow as the RC1 of Vista. This build will be released to testers and the public after the Labor Day holiday in the United States, which falls this year on September 4. Currently, Microsoft expects to ship RC1 on or after September 7.
Meanwhile, the release to manufacturing (RTM), or final, version of Vista is set for a September 2006 escrow and final release on or before October 25. We can expect a Longhorn Server Beta 3 release in first quarter 2007, an RC2 release in second quarter 2007, and the final release in the second half of 2007.
News source: WindowsITPro
I agree. The 'Aero' UI is extremely ugly.
nice job lmao
if they took this long they should have gotten it right. but as we know they havent so might as well delay it again to fix the problems.
Anyway, Enjoy it
What......?
and btw, i don't think XP is bad
and btw, i don't think XP is bad
I'm guessing he meant WGA or Trusted Computing. Both are bad...
It's the best out here today, not saying I like it though.
Plus with Vista, you will get a flood of updates like you did with Xp. It will take a crap load more resources to run. So you all moan about Windows xp being slow now? You've got a shizzing good time ahead of you.
It's the best out here today, not saying I like it though.
Plus with Vista, you will get a flood of updates like you did with Xp. It will take a crap load more resources to run. So you all moan about Windows xp being slow now? You've got a shizzing good time ahead of you.
WGA? Not bothering me.
XP deciding when it wants to work? Wow, Windows is a living being! This is a rubbish claim, since a good computer that is well maintained and cleaned will run XP like wildfire.
DVD/CD burning? You didn't have to use it. There are many free solutions out there that are available because Windows is extremely application compatible.
And you're blabbing about Vista claims, probably touting the Beta 2 version. Go RC1 first.
Why the hell do I have to download 3rd party software because their crappy software doesn't even work.
Don't even start to talk to me about maintaining a computer mate. I've done unattended install, stripped it to the bone. A lot of things with Windows.
Didn't have to use it? I want to bl**dly use it, but it doesn't work!
Popcorned, do you?
Based on the progress they've made from Beta 2 to 5472, I'd say its possible they could make the date.
...no it's happening already - beta 2 is a world away from the current build. There's no magic involved it's just that most of the vocal critics seem to be judging things upon builds literally put together many months ago.
They need to just hand over windows to a group that knows how to program, like Google or Mozilla community.
Both of whom have recently produced an OS? Riiiiiight..
They need to just hand over windows to a group that knows how to program, like Google or Mozilla community.
Mozilla knows how to program browsers that run on the OS that Microsoft knows how to program and use the search engine that Google knows how to program. 3 parts of a different pie.
I wish they would release it already so they can sort xp sp3.
I wish they would release it already so they can sort xp sp3.
Thats the only reason I am excited to see Vista released..
The idea of Windows ME keeps running through my head when I see these news posts about Vista..
beta 2 wasnt that bad, im runnign it vmware and i havent managed to kill it yet at all, so whats everyone fussing over?
looking forward to the rc's
1. If you like Windows, try it.
2. If you don't like Windows, continue to not use it.
It's SO simple!
Who cares anyway, Windows will still be the most used OS. So yeah, don't worry for us, we won't miss you bashers.
Noted (get an edible hat just in case eh?)
you people have no idea what the quality of RC1 is, so until you try it, maybe keep an open mind.
Anyway, it's almost obvious it will have compatibility problems for the first weeks. It's not like we are talking about controling a 2% market share where you only care for drivers of hardware that you make.
But saying that you are waiting for SP1? Alright then, I guess some people can have their computers clean and efficient if they keep navigating to those kind of sites where you get adware and viruses because YOU want. Or do you simply get viruses by connecting to the Internet? I don't think so.
So let's be real here, while it won't be as stable as XP is now, it will get to that place quicker than what it took XP, much quicker.
Even i don't think it's ready yet, needs more polishing, better if they relese it November 2007, atleast they will get time to optimise it, & not to forget holiday season
Yes... only small UI changes will be made from here on out. The UI design was froze am few months ago.
You get used to them... I didn't like them at first either.
Yes... only small UI changes will be made from here on out. The UI design was froze am few months ago.
You get used to them... I didn't like them at first either.
Yeah, they probably will.
What surprises me is how drastic you people are. It's not like you are not going to be able to change the visual style or download a new one. It's pretty sad that bashing comes in avalanches.
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For example, the borders are weird. And the HUGE shadow effect that every window has is weird too...
Anyway, I'm still looking forward to this. I haven't tried the latest builds so I can't tell, but beta 2 was definitely buggy.
I just wouldn't mind them taking more time if they need it.
They better come up with something worth paying for the upgrade, and not an XP with glass effects, or even worse, another windows me.
Then you'll see that there are in fact many reasons to upgrade.
The only requirements for Aero are a Direct X 9 capable video card (i.e. practically every card on the market) with 64mb of dedicated video RAM (i.e. practically every card of the market). It is not resource intensive and does not require expensive hardware; a sub-$100 graphics card (or even the latest integrated Intel card) can pull of the effects in Vista.
Don't talk about what you don't know about.
Not complaining at all, just wondering how finished the product really will be once it's RTM.
Please read and understand what I'm saying before commenting.
A company like Microsoft will not tolerate major laziness, idiocy, stupidity, ignorance, arrogance or carelessness from everyone involved. They want people to like their product and they are doing their most to please the general consumer and user; not extremely informed and experienced avid users but also not complete morons who know absolutely nothing. Complaining in a constructive manner is the best thing for you to do with a huge product like this and even that doesn't always work because too many people are complaining about too many things. Imagine getting thousands of e-mails every day of complaints and wants if you were working on some product, and this isn't some tiny software program, it's the biggest, most ambitious effort at an operating system in the history of computing and as the dead line approaches more and more ****ing complaints and negative comments come up; it's stressfull beyond belief. So, even with all of the resources, money, time, work and staff that Microsoft has; each individual is still a human person with flaws, anger, complaints, mistakes, rare or not so rare lazy deviance etc. and all of these individuals have to somehow create a stunning OS and please millions of people. It's not an easy job and that is an infinite understatement. Ultimately, cut them some slack; silence your obsession with the new OS and wait OR join the beta team (albeit late now) and try and improve the OS in the proper manner.
If you look at major product lines in any market, the new generation is extremely rarely worse than the previous; especially not when it comes to operating systems (and don't say ME over 98; that is not the kind of major product generation switch I am talking about since it just wasn't one). Vista WILL be better than XP and even if some people continue to complain and never switch to Vista; most people will, even if it takes time, and those complainers will be silenced in time and phased out. Microsoft is not going to go "tits up" with this software release; but as with all extremely ambitious and huge efforts on generational products, it will be far from perfect. That is exactly why the company releases update after update and SP packs and then of course the next OS; and yes, there will be another Microsoft OS. There is no possibility of a perfect OS, so don't expect any OS to be so.
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Uh oh . . . most of what you assert is reasonable, but that's stretching things. It's an oft-mentioned and true observation that quality tends to go down in proportion to the size of the company and the installed user/customer base.
Of course Vista will be better than XP taken all in all. But Vista's serious flaws are a separate issue. And if you've been around Neowin long enough you'll see that roughly half of the users here have serious reservations about this OS. That's cause for concern. Which is not to say that the current installed user base will not be using it anyway when it is released.
and those complainers will be silenced in time and phased out.
. . . which in no way speaks to the actual quality of the OS, but rather to the disturbing attitude of this company, its phenomenal contempt for basic HIG (throughout its history), and the attitude of some of its users. This "phasing out" of concerned consumers is a doubly disturbing thought.
No entity that seeks to sell consumers on a product, idea, whatever it may be, is above criticism or at least close scrutiny. We can hold a reasonable view on the subject, but we shouldn't give ourselves over blindly and simply trust MS with our productivity and entertainment wholesale without considering our options.
Unfortunately, in your well-meaning attempt to suggest a rational approach to the subject, you just might have ventured into the realm of zealotry. Perhaps unintentionally.