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Windows Live Messenger users to report child abuse

Tom Warren   on 23 August 2006 - 18:38 · 36 comments & 15031 views

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Users of Windows Live Messenger can now report suspected sexual predators of children with a mouse click.

A "report abuse" icon will soon appear on the chat software as a result of work by the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP).

Users will be encouraged to click the icon when they suffer or witness inappropriate sexual contact.

CEOP said, if necessary, reports would be passed to police forces around the world to track down sexual predators.

"What Microsoft and the CEOP are doing today is saying is 'enough is enough'," said Jim Gamble, head of CEOP in a statement. "By working together in a very clear and tangible way we can safeguard children from online sexual predators."

Those clicking on the icon will be given advice about how best to capture evidence and take copies of online discussions.

Instant messaging programs such as MSN Messenger are hugely popular and give people a way to swap text chat with friends they know are online. Microsoft said it had "millions" of MSN Messenger users in the UK.

Because the reporting is not anonymous CEOP hopes to filter out any nuisance or malicious reports of abuse.

The tab will be seen on Windows Messenger and its replacement Windows Live Messenger.

View: BBC News

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(1 reply) #1 simsie on 23 Aug 2006 - 18:44
Finally, IMO msn needed this for ages though a report abuse button wouldn't go amiss though
#1.1 kizzaaa on 23 Aug 2006 - 22:11
Isn't the block button (combined with common sense) just as effective?

Although it's a good initiative I don't think it's worth implementing. I'm sure future versions of the A-Patch and Mess patch will allow users' to remove this button.
(2 replies) #2 Tz on 23 Aug 2006 - 18:45
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Because the reporting is not anonymous CEOP hopes to filter out any nuisance or malicious reports of abuse.


It still won't stop people from spamming the system. I mean, what would they do to people who send false reports? They can't ban them from MSN can they? Well, they could, but it wouldn't be right...
#2.1 Joel on 23 Aug 2006 - 18:54
It wouldn't be right to ban an abuser of MSN from MSN? Why ever not? It's a privilege, not a right, to chat on MSN.
#2.2 noroom on 23 Aug 2006 - 21:21
Why not just revoke their reporting priviledges instead?
(1 reply) #3 ahhell on 23 Aug 2006 - 18:54
Wow, that won't be abused at ALL.
#3.1 Sp3ctranova on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:00
Quote - ahhell said @ #3
Wow, that won't be abused at ALL.


my thoughts exactly. Spam eggs sausage and SPAM!
#4 icebox on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:20
Welcome to spam hell.. not like a lot of people are going to simple ooooooooooops pressed the button..
Nevertheles its something, that might help those sexual predators off the kids..
#5 Ferret on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:26
And there will be alot of people just "testing" the button out - It could work, but unfortunatly, people won't use as how it was intended.
#6 Saadu on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:29
So what... is an abuser supposed to click im abusing? or does the child just hit, report abuse? What if u hit it accidentally?
#7 dolimite35 on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:38
Quote -
Because the reporting is not anonymous CEOP hopes to filter out any nuisance or malicious reports of abuse.


So dont go "crying wolf"
(1 reply) #8 Ravensworth on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:39
Yeah, this won't be abused at all.

sony4ever: The PS3 will be the greatest console ever made.
360rulez: No way, that overpriced piece of junk is going to flop.
sony4ever: It's worth it, I'd rather pay for it than a suckbox 360.
360rulez: Shut up you stupid fanboy.
sony4ever: (reports 360rulez as a child abuser)
#8.1 aniv on 23 Aug 2006 - 21:27
Quote - Ravensworth said @ #1
Yeah, this won't be abused at all.

sony4ever: The PS3 will be the greatest console ever made.
360rulez: No way, that overpriced piece of junk is going to flop.
sony4ever: It's worth it, I'd rather pay for it than a suckbox 360.
360rulez: Shut up you stupid fanboy.
sony4ever: (reports 360rulez as a child abuser)


LOL
#9 clonk on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:42
For all those talking about the abuse of it new feature, don't worry, thats why they save your chat logs too!
#10 fergiej on 23 Aug 2006 - 19:46
Just reporting as an abuser is not enough. If you read the article, they are asking you to collect the conversations to include in your report. If they get one from the example:

Quote -
sony4ever: The PS3 will be the greatest console ever made.
360rulez: No way, that overpriced piece of junk is going to flop.
sony4ever: It's worth it, I'd rather pay for it than a suckbox 360.
360rulez: Shut up you stupid fanboy.
sony4ever: (reports 360rulez as a child abuser)


It'll get ignored and hopefully the sender will get reprimanded somehow. And if there is no evidence to back it up, it'll get ignored. I cannot imagine the tediousness of having to sort through the garbage that will be sent to "test" this system.
#11 Bennifer on 23 Aug 2006 - 20:00
i dont understand, the people that get met with and raped or whatever from meeting on msn dont realise they are going to be abused until they meet the '15 year old hot teen' that turns out to be a 35 year old paedo.

if you thought you were being abused the block button would do all you need to protect yourself, they wont ever get enough info to meet you.

i dont understand what this button does apart from satisy the authorities and protect themselves from a court case when someone gets raped after an msn meetup.
#12 lylesback2 on 23 Aug 2006 - 20:58
won't people abuse this system? you can click on it while talking to your friends.. and they are not a sex offender :|
#13 Meraklis56 on 23 Aug 2006 - 21:30
@clonk what if i talk some other language like German,Greek etc?
#14 Orange on 23 Aug 2006 - 21:56
So stupid. Stupid stupid system.
#15 backdrifter on 23 Aug 2006 - 22:43
will it be a prerequisite to record your whole chat session to use the system?
#16 Magallanes on 23 Aug 2006 - 22:50
First :

pedo

next:

trolls
idiots
fanboys
crossdressed
..

(1 reply) #17 jmc777 on 23 Aug 2006 - 22:51
Thank you for keeping the children of the world safe Microsoft!
#17.1 Z3r0 on 23 Aug 2006 - 23:38
not replying directly to you jmc, just clicked wrong button :p
anyway, sounds like a great idea
the flaws: do MS have police backing? if not this won't work / will take ages to track people down and catch them
how can they prove a particular person was at the PC when the offence occured, won't stand up in a court of law imho
they can't stop people from registering false names
they can't stop people from using proxies or something
unless people are required to provide ID (such as NI no.) when they register this won't work
this could be mis-used by lots of teenagers, hopefully it won't be
In the end it all comes down to people using common sense to protect themselves from these dangers
#18 Shiranui on 24 Aug 2006 - 00:20
So typing dirty s**t to a minor is enough to get you arrested now?
(1 reply) #19 TRC on 24 Aug 2006 - 00:20
Uh, has everyone gone crazy? The button says "Report Abuse". Just about every forum I have ever been to has a report abuse button. It's for reporting spammers and other misuse of the board.
#19.1 TC17 on 24 Aug 2006 - 00:31
Quote - TRC said @ #19
Uh, has everyone gone crazy? The button says "Report Abuse". Just about every forum I have ever been to has a report abuse button. It's for reporting spammers and other misuse of the board.

What your talking about is not the same thing. This report goes to some agency, not the moderator of a message board.

I don't know why I care, I never use messengers, or chat or whatever else. But I guess I care because I'm tired of big brother.

#20 TC17 on 24 Aug 2006 - 00:25
While I agree that child porn is wrong. This is just proof of the fact that Microsoft caters to Goverments and law enforcement by installing tracking stuff like this. Since when is Microsoft law enforcement? Apparently they are devoting a whole icon for it.

I can see this being abused, and can also see it used to set someone up. Some kid fakes the whole thing and the Goverment raids their house ruining an innocent persons life. And yes, kids do lie despite what some in the media say... they lie more than adults do.

#21 Foub on 24 Aug 2006 - 00:27
Like shark attacks and child abductions this to is blown way out of proportion. If anything children are far safer now than they have ever been. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago when parents would sell their extra children or leave them out on a hillside to die. Pedophilia is really only been considered a crime in modern times.
#22 illz55 on 24 Aug 2006 - 01:31
Ridiculous. Block button is there for a reason. ****ing overprotective societies.
#23 obsolete_power on 24 Aug 2006 - 02:35
Although this is a step in the right direction, as in, they have the right idea, it is far from being something truly useful. I personally think that it will cause more heartache than actually good. People will take advantage of it and basically people will be set-up others will spam the hell out of it...you see? If you think about it, they will be too busy sorting through all the spam than actually catching the true criminals. It can get really messy, really fast!
(2 replies) #24 Pyjamasmannen on 24 Aug 2006 - 04:32
I guess that there will be alot of teens out there that report boy/girl-friend when they get angry at eachother... Well anyway I think the same as many others here, use the block button it's there for a reason!
#24.1 windows95isg8 on 24 Aug 2006 - 06:32
Yes I also think this will happen, and seeing how a gf and bf are going to talk dirty to each other. Then if they fight, then the girl sends a report. Could get her bf in a lot of ****. Then the police would have to check it up, only to find that they were dating. And it would just mess with people’s lives, and waste police time. Saying that, something does have to be done to protect kids. Maybe an age thing would help. I know people might complain at me about that. But why does a 14 year old girl, have to use MSN. If she wants to speak to friends, go out with them or text them by mobile. Your mobile is safe, as only people you know, have your number.
#24.2 ZombieFly on 24 Aug 2006 - 07:25
Quote - windows95isg8 said @ #24.1
Saying that, something does have to be done to protect kids.


this "something" already exists, its called a parent.

I'm over 30. I don't want a report abuse button on my messenger

If a parent wants to allow their child to use a pc, the parent should do sufficient research before allowing them on the pc. It's a parent's responsibility to assess a situation and make a decision on whether it is safe enough for their child. If the child is of an age where it can't make its own judgements about people, the child should not be speaking to random people on the internet, nor should the child have a myspace profile with "random" pictures of said child in pseudo-adult soft porn shots. Ultimately, the parent should take an active interest in what is happening online, if they supply the pc, they should also police it. If they don't know how, they should find out. Parental ignorance is NOT an excuse, and falsely letting parents think that their kids are protected by a "report abuse" button is not going to help the situation.

bottom line, kids should be outside playing with their friends' balls

(...brb, police at the door.... who pressed the "report" button?!
#25 markukcouk on 24 Aug 2006 - 08:44
Sorry Zombie, that was me. You mentioned children so I'm afraid I needed to.

This is a bad idea simply because it won't work, and will get abused. As someone else stated above, the people who got raped from net meetings etc, only met with them in most cases because they lied about their age. Why would they report someone they think it the same age as them?
#26 bmaher on 24 Aug 2006 - 13:45
I say its a good idea, but it shouldnt be compulsory.

If a parent installs WLM for their child, they are allowing them to use it, and should monitor what theyre doing. Some people dont want to report child abuse (Yes Microsoft, lots of WLM users are over 16/1, and if anything annoying does happen - i just use the block button.

What would be better, is if the report button went into a file, and if the same user was reported, say, 3 or 4 times, then it should be investigated, and THEN sent on...

Quote -

bottom line, kids should be outside playing with their friends' balls

(...brb, police at the door.... who pressed the "report" button?!


*Hits the "Report Child Abuse" button


What i say, is rather than battle against genuine users of WLM, and force it into their faces, the agencies should crack down on Teen Chat sites, because its hard for someone random to add them, so they obviously get their Passports from somewhere.

< offtopic >

Does anyone else get those "MY Space Girls" spam IM on AIM?

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Last edited by bmaher on 24 Aug 2006 - 13:53
#27 hot_wired13 on 24 Aug 2006 - 18:32
is it just me, or isn't everyone thinking out of the box now:

i'm sure microsoft has techs smarter than me. this is my workaround to spam -

let's assume microsoft could make WLM save temp encrypted chat logs of EVERYTHING internally, for the sake of reporting.

1. user clicks report
2. user has to fill in particulars, and agree to send encrypted chat logs of that particular user
3. (those chat logs have no way of being modified)
4. chat logs sent to microsoft. bingo.

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