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Logitech Gives PC Mice New Moves

Daylene   on 26 August 2006 - 20:52 · 39 comments & 18739 views

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PC peripheral player Logitech has motorized the computer mouse scroll wheel with two new models that ease scanning and scrolling through large computer documents, spreadsheets, pictures, lists and other data.

The Fremont, Calif.-based company said its new mice -- the MX Revolution for desktop PCs and the VX Revolution for notebooks -- would provide comfortable, efficient mouse control. New features include a "One-Touch" search function that allows a Web search of a word or phrase via one click of the mouse, and a second scroll wheel for zooming.

However, the biggest change in the new mice is the heavier, "hyper-fast" scrolling wheel, which Logitech described as "revolutionary." "By giving people the option of using a free-spinning scroll wheel, Logitech has addressed a source of pain for computer users, who previously had to continuously move their index finger to scroll through long documents," said Logitech Vice President of Marketing for Retail Pointing Devices Ashish Arora.

Logitech claims to have reinvented the scroll wheel with its new cordless laser mice, which are now available in the U.S. and Europe at US$99 for the MX and $79 for the VX. "Every application lends itself to different kinds of navigation, and with its sophisticated technology, the wheel can elegantly switch between the free-spin and click-to-click scrolling modes," Arora said.

Referring to research indicating average scrolling of 26 feet during a regular work day, Logitech said its new mice -- featuring its MicroGear Precision scroll wheel -- could spin through 10,000 lines of a Microsoft Excel document in seven seconds, a task that would take 500 spins of a conventional mouse wheel.

News source: Tech News World


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#1 BigCheese on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:06
Its a good idea, since I hate scrolling through long documents and things. But, if my finger gets tired of scrolling, I just use the scroll bar.
#2 nw_raptor on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:14
If someone was to scroll 10000 lines of Excel spreadsheets, he certainly wouldnt use the scroll-wheel, but the program's own scrollbar (click & drag or just click on empty scrollbar space) or use the keyboard (page up/down etc).

If they think they have reinvented the scroll wheel, they need their heads checked. Sorry to be bashing, but they seem to focus on something which wont be used due to an other invention called keyboard.

Better luck next time I guess.
#3 hajj_3 on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:14
LMAO!!!!

surely you would use a scroll bar instead of scolling through 15,000 lines.

sounds like pointless innovation to me.
#4 Lare2 on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:16
Where are the pics .... ?
(1 reply) #5 VR44 on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:28
http://www.logitech.com/promotions/promo.c...=revolution_hpb

If you click on 'product tour' at the bottom you'll get some better detailed pictures
#5.1 Suicide on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:49
LOL WHAT A USELESS "NOVATION"
(1 reply) #6 billyea on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:36
next they'll attach a mini keyboard to the mouse
#6.1 voo on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:47
shhh don't give them ideas!
#7 Killerchronic on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:47
its an interesting idea, but, like the rest of you im not sure that its gonna be useful....a slight twist of the hand and oh look a lovely scrollbar lol
#8 Osprey on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:48
This was solved years ago via software. Just click your scroll wheel (middle mouse) button anywhere on the page (so that that circle cursor with two triangles appears) and then slightly move the mouse up or down to initiate automatic scrolling. This allows you to scroll as slowly or as quickly as you want without moving any fingers. You can even take your hand completely off of the mouse and it'll continue scrolling. It works quite well and has been around as long as XP has been, perhaps longer; I don't recall. Try using that free software before you waste $99 on new hardware.

EDIT: Having now looked at demo at the website, I can say that the software solution can do everything in the demo that that "hyper-scrolling" hardware wheel can do. Logitech has merely re-invented the wheel (you knew that joke was coming).

Last edited by Osprey on 26 Aug 2006 - 21:57
#9 backdrifter on 26 Aug 2006 - 22:22
recent studies show that people drive their mouses 126 feet a day. so they should motorize the mouse itself. just a little push and wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
(4 replies) #10 Croquant on 26 Aug 2006 - 22:32
MX 1000 still reigns as king of the mice. You just can't beat it.
I think the only way Logitech could improve the MX 1000 would be to offer a new version of the MX 1000 that has swappable battery packs.
This new "MX Revolution" mouse does not look like a winner to me, but that's not to say it's horrible.
Now, for those of you who read that "motorized wheel" baloney, let me set you straight: There's no motor in there spinning that wheel. It just free-spins on a set of bearings, that's all. It's not really a bad idea; smother scrolling would result from a wheel that has no ratchet mechanism slowing it down.
The fake side wheel would have been more interesting if it had been a real wheel, but it's really just two switches.
So, four thumb buttons, two main buttons, a middle buttons, and a special-function button. Ok, not too bad, but the MX 1000's layout seems more practical to me.
#10.1 dduardo on 26 Aug 2006 - 23:32
What you're looking for then is the Logitech G7:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products...CONTENTID=10716

The mouse comes with two lithium ion battiers that you can swap.
#10.2 voo on 27 Aug 2006 - 00:48
The G7 hasn't got good battery time from what I've heard from some friends and it has problems with some black surfaces like the Icemat. Though that problem with dark surfaces was suppose to get a firmware update. I don't know if that ever materialized... or perhaps thats why the carbon version came into being.
#10.3 Croquant on 27 Aug 2006 - 04:19
Quote - dduardo said @ #10.1
What you're looking for then is the Logitech G7:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products...CONTENTID=10716

The mouse comes with two lithium ion battiers that you can swap.

Um, the G7 has a grand total of 4 mouse buttons (6 if you count the left/right tilt wheel switches). [I don't count the "+" or "-" buttons becasue they just are used for DPI adjustments]
The MX 1000 has 8 buttons (10 if you count the left/right tilt wheel switches).
Now, I suppose which mouse you choose depends on what features are important to you, and that's perfectly fine. After all, we are all individuals with individual tastes and individual preferences. For me, since DPI adjustment can be compensated for (with skill, practice, and a modicum of talent) I don't see that as a compelling feature in a mouse.
#10.4 jas8522 on 27 Aug 2006 - 16:13
I have to agree... my MX1000 has been the best mouse I've ever used, and everyone I've convinced to spend the extra cash on one has agreed. Fantastic tracking with an incredibly long battery life - I haven't even thought that I might have needed a swappable battery because of that!

Now, it's not even that much more expensive for an MX1000 than any standard wireless mouse! (Compared to $140 CAD when it first came out).

Jordan
(1 reply) #11 bucko on 26 Aug 2006 - 22:38
Mmm you know Sky Digital when you scroll down a list and it highlights the option and flicks through, well that ****ed up my eyes once and I kept twitching my neck from it (I know it was that cause when I browsed by page or whatever it stopped) but this thing looks like it scrolls really fast and it prob cause me that problem again if I got this mouse lol.

^btw sounds weird but very hard to explain what it was like...
#11.1 obake on 27 Aug 2006 - 17:31
Sounds exactly like epilepsy, to be honest. I would really recommend going to a doctor and getting tested.
#12 Shibby on 26 Aug 2006 - 23:59
i got a better idea!! just use the page down key on the keyboard. It's pretty fast
#13 SniperX on 27 Aug 2006 - 00:33
Yeah well they said it's "revolutionary" so I don't care what anyone says, I'm buying it. Must buy mouse.... Must buy mouse....
#14 Leddy on 27 Aug 2006 - 01:41
My touchpad has got scroll coasting. I just give my touchpad a little swipe and away it goes.
(1 reply) #15 Nightburn on 27 Aug 2006 - 02:08
I've loved logitech mice ever since the mx500. Infact I'm still using my mx500 today. Recently I purchased a 37 inch 1080p HDTV so now i have need for a nice wireless mouse. I almost bought a g7 but I stopped myself because for some crazy reason they decided to remove the forward button. I'm glad I waited because it looks like this mx revolution is going to be an awesome compliment to my setup.

Sure it's $100 bucks, but come'on guys, if you're nerdy at all, you should realize that your mouse is a key component to interfacing you with your computer, a $100 then becomes a small price to pay for how often you'll actually be using it. I'll have my hand on this thing for many hours every day and I probably won't be buying another mouse for atleast another 2 years.

The only problem I potentially see is, what if i like it so much that i need another one at work too? LOL..


#15.1 Kushan on 27 Aug 2006 - 10:58
Try the MX1000, it's got forward and back buttons.
#16 naap51stang on 27 Aug 2006 - 02:22
LOL.........motorized wheel? Now THAT is lazy! Hey mice manufacturers.......how about making
a mouse that works for left & right handed people? Until something comes along that beats my
MS laser mouse, forget it. At least I can use it without having to contort my fingers to get to
the buttons!

#17 frogworm on 27 Aug 2006 - 04:24
If I may please give my mini review after owning the Logitech MX Revolution for a day (I bought it August 25, 2006).

Pros:
It is comfortable and smooth movement. (my first laser mouse)
It glides nicely on my mousepad (I almost feel I need a bigger mouse pad now though...).
It is good-looking and charges/idles to save batteries fast.
The scroll wheel is pretty nifty where you click on it to make it a non-detent mouse or one that clicks as well as auto switching by driver settings.
Miniusb receiver (would of been nice if the product description said it comes with one as I was considering the VX over it because of that selling point).

Cons:
Extremely expensive; I could of bought a monitor for nearly this price! I skipped buying an MX1000 so I chose that the price didn't matter as much this time.
The thumb wheel is useless. It is a toggle wheel that only moves so far each direction and the mouse drivers only allow app switching and zoom functionality. I found neither to be useful.
The search button is useless. I am speechless at the thought of this bright idea..
Because of them adding the scroll wheel detent/non-detent toggle they REMOVED a functional middle mouse button. I can not freaking believe that! I use that daily.

Summary:
I will test the VX Revolution once Best Buy (where I bought the MX Revolution) or another store has it on display. Best Buy wouldn't let me open the box to test it (I wasn't sure if having a thumb wheel there would be comfortable or not, turns out it isn't too bad) so I doubt I will be able to test the VX for a while but if it has no middle mouse button I am getting an MX1000 or just sticking with my iFeel mouse (MX 700 went haywire and MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse scrolls really crappy now; I probably just need to take it apart and clean it). Either way this MX Revolution is going back to the store!
#18 trenzterra on 27 Aug 2006 - 05:27
well my microsoft optical mouse blue had a loose scroll wheel that would scroll by itself when i gave it a hard spin as well =
#19 ThaCrip on 27 Aug 2006 - 05:39
me personally im just sticking with my Logitech MX700 which is a great mouse... im sure the MX1000 is probably better but i dont like the fact that the battery is non replaceable unlike the MX700 which takes 2 standard AA NI-MH batts ... im still using the original batteries that came with the mouse and i had the mouse for going on roughly 3 years this december-ish.

to bad u cant find any more MX700 mouses cause those i find hard to beat if u can get them cheap enough... but they seem to be sorta hard to find nowadays.
#20 Osprey on 27 Aug 2006 - 05:50
Thanks, frogworm, for the #1 reason why no one should buy these mice: no middle mouse button.
#21 ranasrule on 27 Aug 2006 - 08:01
my mx518 is serving just fine
#22 Exosphere on 27 Aug 2006 - 08:56
Thank you for the review frogworm, you've given me more information that Logitech and any other review so far.
I'll take a look at the VX myself, I just bought the G7 only to find my charger is faulty - in a way I'm glad since i wasn't aware of these new models arriving.

The loss of the middle button is drastic, but I guess I could get used to living without it eventually.
Strange to think some Mac users still have a one button mouse without scroll wheel, I don't think I could ever go back to a simple 2-button mouse.

PS, was somone above said, The G7 is hopeless for battery life, I get 4-5 hours if I'm lucky before having to switch batteries. Shame, seems a nice mouse. Hope the VX has got that sorted.

Edit: just found out, VX mouse uses a single AA battery which Logitech claim can last 120 days (yeah right!.

Last edited by Exosphere on 27 Aug 2006 - 09:23
(1 reply) #23 PureLegend on 27 Aug 2006 - 09:41
Hmm...wouldn't that hurt to stop? Try rolling a rollerblade wheel fast, and then stop it with your finger.
#23.1 frogworm on 27 Aug 2006 - 17:03
The wheel doesn't have any weight behind it so being able to stop it is really easy and besides it doesn't spin as fast as they make it out to be. It spins more through software acceleration than mechanical.
(1 reply) #24 Galley on 27 Aug 2006 - 13:30
Map the middle button function to the search button on the Revolution.
#24.1 frogworm on 27 Aug 2006 - 16:58
There is no option named Middle Click in the drop-down box. Care to enlighten me?
(2 replies) #25 nomis_nehc on 27 Aug 2006 - 16:29
Ehh, for those of you that are saying that there is no middle click... THERE IS! By default, it's mapped to manual shift (even though it may say Do Nothing in SetPoint).

Leddy: power to you man. Now go get that mouse.

Exosphere: I read another review for the VX, apparently, Logitech's claim on the battery life is fairly accurate, given a slight variance base on usage.

Come on guys, this mouse for one thing just screams SEXY, how can you not want to buy it after looking at it?
#25.1 frogworm on 27 Aug 2006 - 17:00
I checked and it seems you either know something I don't or you are speaking from a lack of experience. I checked every button assignment and none of them list Middle Click and for that fact you can't even change the assignment of the Manual Shift key because it is mechanical so it doesn't show a drop-down box.

P.S. When you press the scroll wheel it is a mechanical shift of gear and not just a button toggle. You can actually feel the mouse changing from one to the other.

Last edited by frogworm on 27 Aug 2006 - 17:06
#25.2 nomis_nehc on 27 Aug 2006 - 21:22
Quote - frogworm said @ #25.1
I checked and it seems you either know something I don't or you are speaking from a lack of experience. I checked every button assignment and none of them list Middle Click and for that fact you can't even change the assignment of the Manual Shift key because it is mechanical so it doesn't show a drop-down box.

P.S. When you press the scroll wheel it is a mechanical shift of gear and not just a button toggle. You can actually feel the mouse changing from one to the other.


I guess I do know something you don't. You're right, the manual shift does not have a drop down box or a list of selection... by default. What you want to do is go to where it says 1a. Select Programs, change the all programs to something else and then back. Voila, now manual shift can be remapped. However, I don't know if this actually works or not as I haven't tried it myself. But in either case, you can manually configure it to behave however you want it to targeting specific apps.

Now... nobody else better not question my expertise, lol.

edit: okay, just kidding, just tried it out right now and it seems to be just a software glitch. many manually editing the xml file will work? who knows, maybe enough writing to logitech and they'll do something about it.
#26 DemonicHawk on 28 Aug 2006 - 01:10
that would be fun to play with for about a couple of minutes or so =P
#27 Buttus on 28 Aug 2006 - 17:04
I guess it's just me, but i've never used the scrollwheel on my mouse, ever... that's what the scroll bar on the side of the screen is for, or just hit 'Page Down' or use the cursor keys....

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