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Microsoft Considering Web Based Works

Slimy   on 24 September 2006 - 01:26 · 39 comments & 15724 views

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Microsoft is thinking of responding to Google’s web based word processor Writely and Google Spreadsheet by giving away a basic version of Microsoft Works. Currently priced at $50, Microsoft Works includes a word processor, spreadsheet, calendar and email applications. But a big question remains. How this can be achieved without hurting Microsoft Office sales? Microsoft Office contributes a noteworthy amount of revenue and a free Web-based service can diminish these revenues.

The potential service could be branded under Windows Live, will probably be supported by advertisements and could somehow be integrated with Windows Live Mail. Senior analyst Joe Wilcox from JupiterResearch warns Microsoft that such a move could hurt Microsoft if it is aimed at businesses. He suggests that Microsoft should not attempt to answer every signal of competition to their products. Office Live is currently aimed at getting small businesses online.

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Link: Google Writely | Google Spreadsheets
Link: Microsoft Works | Microsoft Office Live
News source: BetaNews

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(10 replies) #1 ozgeek on 24 Sep 2006 - 03:58
No matter what web applications they put out, I will never use them. I don't trust them. What if they save what you are working on. More of a privacy invasion. So local-based programs are for me :yes:
#1.1 dolimite35 on 24 Sep 2006 - 06:21
They do save your files so you can work on them later. I dont see the problem, do you worry about all the emails that are saved in your inbox on your web based email service?
#1.2 Foub on 24 Sep 2006 - 10:45
Quote - dolimite35 said @ #1.1
They do save your files so you can work on them later. I dont see the problem, do you worry about all the emails that are saved in your inbox on your web based email service?


He meant they may save them on their servers and thus available for them to look at.
#1.3 MaceX on 24 Sep 2006 - 13:04
So I guess you don't use web-based email either because a company stores whatever messages you send or receive.
#1.4 excalpius on 24 Sep 2006 - 18:05
I only use web based free mail like hotmail and yahoo for spam catching and mailing lists. I would NEVER store or use my real important and/or private emails on such an open to data mining lack of privacy account...eesh!
#1.5 toadeater on 24 Sep 2006 - 18:41
Quote - dolimite35 said @ #1.1
They do save your files so you can work on them later. I dont see the problem, do you worry about all the emails that are saved in your inbox on your web based email service?


I don't use web-based email for anything I need kept secure. Are you that niave that you think anything stored on a 3rd party server can't be spied on? It's happened numerous times before, and Google doesn't even hide the fact that it spies on the content of your email. You should read their TOS.

Microsoft, Google, and everyone else jumping on the "web apps" bandwagon seem to think that just making these apps will guarantee a market for them. No one except maybe people in the 3rd world with their $100 hand-crank laptops will ever use these apps, and they may use something made by some other companies or use open source anyway.

1. Any business or project worth a damn will use their own secure servers, with their own collaboration software. Who is Google and MS kidding, they think any business wil host their sensitive documents on 3rd party server!?

2. Consumers will continue to use the desktop versions, including the FREE Open Office.

How much money is Microsoft and Google throwing away on these web-app projects? I guess when you have billions to throw around it doesn't really matter. But it might have been better if M$ spent a little more effort on improving Windows, rather than cloning everyone else's apps and interfering in their markets.
#1.6 dolimite35 on 24 Sep 2006 - 19:29
Quote - toadeater said @ #1.5

I don't use web-based email for anything I need kept secure. Are you that niave that you think anything stored on a 3rd party server can't be spied on? It's happened numerous times before, and Google doesn't even hide the fact that it spies on the content of your email. You should read their TOS.


Nothing is 100% secure. I know my email can be spied on if some hacker wants to thats just one of the games of life, the same can be applied to my checking/savings account at the bank.
So you have your own servers but what about the receiving end of your email, do you worry that much not to send a email based on what email service (or their own server) is used on the receiving end?

Sure this web based document app are not for serious business work but its a nice little convenience for some folks, everyone is diffrent. And if someone want to spy on my anthropology report then go ahead i have backups so do your best (some creationist hacker marks my report up about how im going to hell bet yet he/she want to break into peoples accounts and steal info just great )
#1.7 phantasmorph on 24 Sep 2006 - 23:45
Quote - toadeater said @ #1.5


How much money is Microsoft and Google throwing away on these web-app projects? I guess when you have billions to throw around it doesn't really matter. But it might have been better if M$ spent a little more effort on improving Windows, rather than cloning everyone else's apps and interfering in their markets.


Been saying that for years now. With every Vista delay that rolls on by, just makes me laugh at all these half-ass Microsoft craplets they keep pumping out in an attempt to glom onto all things computing.
#1.8 RealFduch on 25 Sep 2006 - 02:48
Wow.
You want people who write these craplets to write Vista kernel instead, do you?
Maybe mobilize game developers too?
The more people the better kernel they'll write...
#1.9 phantasmorph on 25 Sep 2006 - 07:57
Quote - RealFduch said @ #1.8
Wow.
You want people who write these craplets to write Vista kernel instead, do you?
Maybe mobilize game developers too?
The more people the better kernel they'll write...


No, I want Microsoft to regain their focus, which they've lost. Jack of all trades, master of none, that should be the new slogan at Microsoft.
#1.10 thefoxbox on 25 Sep 2006 - 21:08
Quote - dolimite35 said @ #1.6
Quote - toadeater said @ #1.5

I don't use web-based email for anything I need kept secure. Are you that niave that you think anything stored on a 3rd party server can't be spied on? It's happened numerous times before, and Google doesn't even hide the fact that it spies on the content of your email. You should read their TOS.


Nothing is 100% secure. I know my email can be spied on if some hacker wants to thats just one of the games of life, the same can be applied to my checking/savings account at the bank.
So you have your own servers but what about the receiving end of your email, do you worry that much not to send a email based on what email service (or their own server) is used on the receiving end?

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All internet communications are monitored anyway, for specific keywords and phrases and all those kinds of 'goodies.' Same with your telephone lines.
(3 replies) #2 Gism0 on 24 Sep 2006 - 04:22
Who are the potential users of such web apps anyway? I've never really seen the need for online word processors.
#2.1 MasterC on 24 Sep 2006 - 04:39
Quote - Gism0 said @ #2
Who are the potential users of such web apps anyway? I've never really seen the need for online word processors.

Neither do I since they never format what I'm typing properly
#2.2 MrA on 25 Sep 2006 - 16:27
For doing any real word processing, they're useless. But they're extremely useful if you just want to jot things down and you're not at your computer. Think of it as an online scratch-pad with some formatting instead of a full featured word processor.
#2.3 Coolme on 25 Sep 2006 - 17:40
They're very useful if you want to collaborate with friends to produce a document. Also I believe that it has an unlimited list of 'un-dos' which some may find useful. (Taking about writely) Though it's lacking a lot of formatting options that you'd normally have.
(1 reply) #3 Shadowdruids on 24 Sep 2006 - 04:45
I thought they already have the free office live basic? Whats that about compared to this?
#3.1 Robin.B on 24 Sep 2006 - 05:42
Office live is something different. It isn't a web based web processor (however much it might sound like it).
(4 replies) #4 Kushan on 24 Sep 2006 - 06:27
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer my applications to be available 24/7, without the need for an internet connection or a web browser.
#4.1 osirisX on 24 Sep 2006 - 07:01
Same. Much easier just to have it installed.
#4.2 Lare2 on 24 Sep 2006 - 07:02
Totally agree, aside from colaboration, i don't see the need for a web based word processor.
#4.3 Smigit on 24 Sep 2006 - 18:00
Well it depends what you mean available 24/7. The idea here is that you can edit files 24/7 even whan at a different PC or a PC with a different operating system all without installing a thing. Sure you need an internet connection but how often will you be at a pc that doesnt have an internet connection? Even roaming on a laptop is quickly becoming more and more viable in many places.

I too prefer desktop applications for speed (I'm on a slower connection) and stability (so far they havent been all too reliable yet) but they certainly have a place. This (and similar doc editors) combined with some online storage could become extremly useful one day and they will only become more powerful.
#4.4 Kushan on 25 Sep 2006 - 04:50
Then I'd just use remote desktop. Or email it to myself beforehand.
#5 billyea on 24 Sep 2006 - 06:30
Writely has nothing on a desktop office sutie anyway. It's good for on the fly editing and transferring documents from one computer to another. Microsoft has nothing to worry about.
#6 Lare2 on 24 Sep 2006 - 07:05
MS Works is a pretty decent piece of software for basic/medium needs.

Id they release MS Works for free, it would hurt more Open Office/Start Office than Google's Writely that's for sure.
(2 replies) #7 sourc3 on 24 Sep 2006 - 14:34
I frankly don't understand the need for an "online" word processor.. If you are at your desktop with an internet connection you can download one program that you can use without internet connectivity.

If you are on the road, you can't use your "online" word processor or spreadh sheet app anyway (for the fortunate that have internet connection on the go, God bless you).

If you are doing any kind of work sensitive information you can't trust your files being on a server somewhere around the world (possibly scanned for ads as you're working on it).

If you want immediate access to your files and you have 500 mb of word documents and you're in a rush to get all that on your laptop to work on the plane, you're screwed.

If you really need to save some piece of text while you're online and away from your own computer, there's always email for that.

So I don't understand why people are into using online word processing/spreadsheet tools.
#7.1 RealFduch on 25 Sep 2006 - 02:51
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If you are at your desktop with an internet connection you can download one program that you can use without internet connectivity.
You mean pireted version of MS Office?

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If you want immediate access to your files and you have 500 mb of word documents and you're in a rush

You'll start installing MS Office? How long it will take?

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If you really need to save some piece of text while you're online and away from your own computer, there's always email for that.

You can just post it to some forum. it's easier

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So I don't understand why people are into using online word processing/spreadsheet tools.

Do you like installing LICENSED Office on all PC where you need to use your files?
#7.2 Kushan on 25 Sep 2006 - 04:50
Open Office.
(1 reply) #8 Havin_it on 24 Sep 2006 - 15:14
MS Works - the joke's in the title

Works seems to be bundled with 99% of consumer PCs already. Most people I know who've recently bought a PC have a copy of the Works Suite - and it's still in the shrinkwrap, because it's just not Office, which they've gone ahead and bought (or blagged) a copy of. My workplace certainly would rather use Office 97 than the latest'n'greatest version of Works.

I can't see a free online version of Works hurting anyone much - except anyone attempting to use it, perhaps.
#8.1 excalpius on 24 Sep 2006 - 18:08
agreed. works is essentially free for everyone/anyone anyway and nobody uses it because it is crap. just the whole "how do I get in and out of Word with this" issue makes works as unintuitive and lame to work with as Star Office or other freeware waste of time apps. so, let MS give it away for free. no one was buying it anyway.
#9 knight17 on 24 Sep 2006 - 17:19
@ozgeek
Then how would you trust Yahoo!, Google, MSN with your personal/business e-mails.
#10 eilegz on 24 Sep 2006 - 17:51
i dont know but microsoft works its so crappy and feature less compared to free based applications like open office, i think that microsoft should ditch works, or give it away for free.

(2 replies) #11 Slacker on 24 Sep 2006 - 20:34
I personally am interested in the success of this... It could make life easier for some people. There would be no need to actually install software... just go to a website. No need to update... it's always the latest version. Both of these can solve many problems... maybe this idea will take off?
#11.1 freeeekyyy on 24 Sep 2006 - 22:21
Quote - Slacker said @ #11
I personally am interested in the success of this... It could make life easier for some people. There would be no need to actually install software... just go to a website. No need to update... it's always the latest version. Both of these can solve many problems... maybe this idea will take off?


In some ap[plication, yes. Many home users would no longer have any need for office. But i imagine this software would be a lot simpler and less powerful, so businesses and certain consumers would still use office.
#11.2 Shadrack on 25 Sep 2006 - 20:14
Most buisnesses would have to to still use Office. Most home users usually go w/ Word+Excel combo, but I imagine a LOT of them pirate the software or have a friend come and install it for them.

When I was doing techie work I don't know how many friends and family members asked me to install Office for them, and thought for some reason because they had a computer that they were entitled to the software for free. I'd refuse and have to explain licensing to them and let them know what their options were. At $150 you can get Word and Excel which is what most people need anyway.

At least Microsoft will generate ad revenue from this and it will sway people who would normally have just pirated the software.
#12 paxa on 24 Sep 2006 - 23:42
i waiting to see what success comes out of this,

and a free copy of works doesn't sound that bad, i mean it's a decent suite of aplications, to some part.
#13 danwarne on 25 Sep 2006 - 10:38
If they gave away a free copy of Microsoft Works WITH online internet storage that might be worthwhile. But simply giving away the word processor is only half of Google's special sauce... it's the online collaboration that is the other half.

Besides, don't they pretty much give Works away anyway? Does anyone actually buy it? Doesn't it just come bundled on brand-name machines, along with Quickbooks Lite and McAfee 30 day trial?
#14 yukycg on 25 Sep 2006 - 14:14
I can think of one particular users group will greatly benefit from this: students

1. do the paper in the dorm/home, print the paper at school library (see point 2)
2. you can edit (share) the paper much easier now (anywhere with any computer by anybody without remember to delete your paper, saw few people left the computer without delete the document)
3. doing a group paper, so everyone can edit the document, (professor can comment the paper before it was submit)
#15 shirike on 25 Sep 2006 - 18:04
MS should stop trying to match Google tit-for-tat and obtain it's own identity.
#16 Ruciz on 26 Sep 2006 - 01:57
thanks google.. Greatly appriciated. Your online OS is slowly becoming one. Now to get a bootable browser and an online media service like YouTube or Yahoo! video or MySpace or something and we are geared.

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