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The Online High School

Timmah   on 28 September 2006 - 14:13 · 40 comments & 20593 views

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The BBC News website has published an article about the first ever online school, where pupils attend virtual classes by simply logging on.

The school is aimed at children who have had problems with attending a regular school, such as those bullied, suffering from certain conditions or those used to home schooling. The online classroom has more than a few perks for would-be-students, such as no uniform, shorter days and a shorter working week.

It does however rely on the honesty of the student and the persuasiveness of the parents to ensure children "attend" the £594-per-term school which has 22 pupils.

Let-downs include the lack of physical excercise classes, and lack of eye-contact between pupils and teachers. It is also not the average school experience, which for many children (regardless of school or subjects) is all about meeting friends, physical contact and other things a computer screen cannot provide.

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(5 replies) #1 MioTheGreat on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:19
"The Online High Scool"

Is that supposed to be a typo or funny? I can't tell.
#1.1 Baptist on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:23
loooool
#1.2 Smigit on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:29
I can't tell either. lol
#1.3 Magallanes on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:29
May be is a new technical word and iSchool/Schoolpod was buyed by Apple.

#1.4 Al on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:41
Maybe they meant "high skool" :p
#1.5 Octol on 30 Sep 2006 - 19:41
Or maybe "High's Cool".
#2 Sn4k36 on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:33
This isn't the first ever... http://www.marratech.com/case_studies/chig...ova_scotia.html <--- That's been in my area for over a year now...
(1 reply) #3 vetSMeK on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:39
No PE! thats gota be a plus not a minus :p
#3.1 Willdev on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:04
Quote - SMeK said @ #3
No PE! thats gota be a plus not a minus :p

i agree

*throws the PE note in the bin*

This sounds like a great idea, were can i start
#4 Folic on 28 Sep 2006 - 14:54
lol considering i goto an Online Highschool wtf is the BBC smoking?
(3 replies) #5 C_Guy on 28 Sep 2006 - 15:01
This is hardly a new idea. I went to a "virtual" online high school years ago. We had real teachers and followed the same textbooks and cirriculum as the regular school but everything was delivered via. e-Mail and sometimes chat. We even got a free computer and Internet access for the school year. My marks went sky high and I didn't have to deal with any of the regular high school crap like bullying or peer pressure. It was great!
#5.1 Zone-MR on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:19
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My marks went sky high and I didn't have to deal with any of the regular high school crap like bullying or peer pressure. It was great!


That quote sums up exactly what is wrong with the concept, as does this one from the article:

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Now you feel more confident because it is texting instead of speaking out loud and standing up.


That is exactly what is wrong with this idea. High school isn't just about learning the curriculum and getting "sky high" marks. In retrospect, the most important lessons I learned from high school were not the ones I could learn from reading a book or email. They were the lessons in life and difficult social situations which you would rather skip.

Having to deal with "regular high school crap" like peer pressure builds strength of character. Learning to stand up in front of a group of peers and present a potentially unpopular opinion takes balls and may be stressful or intimidating to some. This is exactly why it needs to be practiced and why it is a vital part of one's education. The people who learn to transgress their fears and passionately articulate their visions in front of demanding crowds will be the ones who move the world. Not the ones who cannot feel confident unless communicating via an artificial medium which filters out eye contact.

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Ms Jayran said there were plans to encourage more use of microphones in English and French, even to introduce webcams.

So far though, these have been met with some resistance by students, happier quietly texting and retreating from the pressures of speaking up in class.


Wow. Another quote which shows how this system has deprived the students. As if general aversion to social interraction wasn't enough, these kids believe they can learn LANGUAGES without opening their mouths.

(Note: I'm not saying online courses are always inferior and have no place - just that they can only be treated as complementary to real schools, not a substitute for them).

Last edited by Zone-MR on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:25
#5.2 C_Guy on 28 Sep 2006 - 21:41
You're right, hgih school isn't just about the marks but a lot of teens go through hell in high school with all the pressure and crap they have to deal with.

It's very sad that you believe that "real" schools are the be-all end -all for everyone. Just like we should all have one religion or God forbid, one brand of computer, it's the same logic. The truth is, "virtual" schools are best suited for some students while traditional classrooms are better suited for others. For me, this was the best scenario. For others it would be the worst scenario. Open your midn just a tiny bit.

And believe me, I got a lot more social growth and character building working, learning, speaking, and presenting during my 4 years at University (a "real" one, not a virtual one) which I believe was a much richer experience than anything I could have got from the traditional high school social scene.

How about: to each their own?
#5.3 Octol on 30 Sep 2006 - 19:56
"In retrospect, the most important lessons I learned from high school were not the ones I could learn from reading a book or email. They were the lessons in life and difficult social situations which you would rather skip.

Having to deal with "regular high school crap" like peer pressure builds strength of character."


Sounds to me like you're a middle class white boy with absolutely no grasp of what's going on in the "real" world.

In the "real" world of our inner cities, kids are stuck in classrooms with up to 50 kids, have to contend with guns, drugs, robbery, molestation, assault, and even murder. Their curriculum and textbooks are out of date (if they even get textbooks), and the teachers are underpaid timeservers that are afraid of their students and can't wait to get out of there and go home.

And that's just for starters.

Builds character? Maybe for the biggest and strongest and toughest. For everyone else all it does is build timidity and defeatism.
#6 jwjw1 on 28 Sep 2006 - 15:36
I can see it now.....Dr. Fred Jones Brain Surgeon (online high school year of 0

**honesty of the student** (except the hard stuff)
#7 Aleck79 on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:21
to bad thats not avaliable here in the states, a few years ago.

I could think of a few things, such as hire out a smart math wiz to take my tests. I'll go with the steriotypical asian heh.
#8 enzo on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:34
The Internet is the new education system.
#9 kribby on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:39
no worries about schools being shot up
#10 guylaroche on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:42
"... and lack of eye-contact between pupils and teachers ..." Since when do students have the stones to look their teachers in the eye? LOL Most kids I see avoid eye-contact at all costs....
(1 reply) #11 Gabe3 on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:44
Theres so many online homeschool programs that teach any grade level, I did this same type of thing but from a different company for 8th and 9th grade. This news is false, looks like a poor excuse for front page news(guess they couldnt find anything better)
#11.1 i3iz on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:27
Quote - Gabe3 said @ #11
Theres so many online homeschool programs that teach any grade level, I did this same type of thing but from a different company for 8th and 9th grade. This news is false, looks like a poor excuse for front page news(guess they couldnt find anything better)


So you "attend[ed] virtual classes by simply logging on." This seems to be a little different than the average, mom and dad teach me at home. You had to log on for your HS classes?
(3 replies) #12 the1sttransport on 28 Sep 2006 - 16:57
Florida has had online high school for years now, and I actually took phys ed on it! (Credits crunch end of senior year)

It used the honor system, you had to create work out sheets and your parents had to sign that you did in fact run the distances/lift the weights/stretch for such amount of time, and you'd fax it over to your "teacher".

Check out http://www.flvs.net
#12.1 i3iz on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:28
Quote - the1sttransport said @ #12
Florida has had online high school for years now, and I actually took phys ed on it! (Credits crunch end of senior year)

It used the honor system, you had to create work out sheets and your parents had to sign that you did in fact run the distances/lift the weights/stretch for such amount of time, and you'd fax it over to your "teacher".

Check out http://www.flvs.net


So you aren't attending a phys-ed class online and you didnt need to use a computer to turn in your work?

How is this online?
#12.2 webeagle12 on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:52
Quote - i3iz said @ #12.1
Quote - the1sttransport said @ #12
Florida has had online high school for years now, and I actually took phys ed on it! (Credits crunch end of senior year)

It used the honor system, you had to create work out sheets and your parents had to sign that you did in fact run the distances/lift the weights/stretch for such amount of time, and you'd fax it over to your "teacher".

Check out http://www.flvs.net


So you aren't attending a phys-ed class online and you didnt need to use a computer to turn in your work?

How is this online?


I'm wondering the same thing, hwo to hell you can take physical education online?

no wonder our country is full of fat ass people
#12.3 the1sttransport on 28 Sep 2006 - 21:39
Quote - i3iz said @ #12.1
Quote - the1sttransport said @ #12
Florida has had online high school for years now, and I actually took phys ed on it! (Credits crunch end of senior year)

It used the honor system, you had to create work out sheets and your parents had to sign that you did in fact run the distances/lift the weights/stretch for such amount of time, and you'd fax it over to your "teacher".

Check out http://www.flvs.net


So you aren't attending a phys-ed class online and you didnt need to use a computer to turn in your work?

How is this online?


MOST of it was online, there were several chapters about stretching, nutrition, careers in phys ed, dangers of sodium/fat//trans fat/etc and worksheets and crap that had to be done and submitted online.

The faxing only came into the picture when proof of parent signature came in.
(1 reply) #13 Croquant on 28 Sep 2006 - 19:28
****, we've only been doing this in Canada for about a decade now. Some of the northern (arctic) communities never have real-live teachers in their classrooms, just e-lessons, faxed-in tests, and satalite-feed lectures. The BBC should really learn how to fact-check before they go spouting bull****.
#13.1 i3iz on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:25
Quote - Croquant said @ #13
****, we've only been doing this in Canada for about a decade now. Some of the northern (arctic) communities never have real-live teachers in their classrooms, just e-lessons, faxed-in tests, and satalite-feed lectures. The BBC should really learn how to fact-check before they go spouting bull****.


So since ~1996?

Faxed in-tests and satellite feed = Online? I guess my dad has been online since the 80's. predating his first computer.

unless you meant Sata-Lite. Must be some new HDD technology.
#14 i3iz on 28 Sep 2006 - 20:22
i believe it is HiGH S-Kewl
#15 lylesback2 on 28 Sep 2006 - 21:36
online cources is very popular in canada.. but not an entire online high school! it's only individual classes
(1 reply) #16 Buttus on 28 Sep 2006 - 21:40
I think it's awesome! Just think, the only contact you have with flesh and blood people is 1st through 6th grade or so, then it home 24/7 to be on the computer! no real social interaction at all!

Then, once you've done high school through a computer, do college the same way! Just think, from about 11-12 years old until 22-24 years old you've been at home, the whole time!

and then! once you graduate college, lets just hope you can get a job where you don't have to deal with real live people....
#16.1 C_Guy on 28 Sep 2006 - 21:53
You must be one of those "real" school graduates.

Whether you go to a cirtual or "real" school you can still have friends, family, jobs, sports, and hobbies. You can still hang out, go to the movies, shop, join clubs, go to church, work, play (in other words, interact) with others in your community.

Virtual school is not isolation camp for anti-socials.
#17 jwjw1 on 28 Sep 2006 - 22:16
This generation of kids are getting 'lazy'...I see the future now...The Apes taking back control.

'The reversal of Evolution....Kids start the evolution back to Primate'

Year 3534....an Ape with a Ipod and a online education

Last edited by jwjw1 on 28 Sep 2006 - 22:24
#18 Julius Caro on 29 Sep 2006 - 00:57
Computers can't provide the high school experience? Maybe.
But computers ARE my friends.

Boo at this article for trying to convice me that my only friend isnt even a friend.
[/joke]


This would be useful as something complementary, not really a substitute for attending classes.
#19 Shiranui on 29 Sep 2006 - 00:57
Great. And when they graduate, they can get jobs as teleworkers, order food online, make online "friends", have cyber sex, and never have to leave the house.
#20 Hak Foo on 29 Sep 2006 - 05:01
I'd think this is appealing for several niche markets.

-Low-demand classes. In my school system, foreign languages went to 4 or 5 years (depending on the language) but there was a massive drop-off after 2nd year (state college minimum requirement), and another after 3rd year.

Instead of dropping Spanish 4 or 5 for under-subscription, why not offer one combined session for the entire school district-- 3 or 4 students at every high school equals one full class.

-Accelerated / Night School / GED students who aren't keen on the "attendance" needs of a regular school. If I can see the pre-recorded lecture at 3AM-- or even do a term's worth of work in a week-- why shouldn't I?

-The "test the teachers into submission" crowd will love the archiveability of it... record the streaming video and log the chats, and you can play-by-play and figure out exactly when Timmy's fate on the standardized test was sealed.
#21 wicker_man on 29 Sep 2006 - 07:34
...and there goes the quality of education...

When I went to school back in the 80's if someone bullied you you throw a punch - problem solved, everyone's cool with you all of after that, you have proved your point. Now kids either go crying home or get a gun and start school rampage.

As a qualified teacher, I should add that no online education can substitute the quality of the one in the classroom - there are too many reasons to back that up, so I won't even bother.
#22 kaelsmith on 29 Sep 2006 - 08:07
so why are we still caring about the weak minded fools who cant get along with people or resolve issues at school? I understand that for homeschoolers it could be nice if used correctly but other than that.
#23 dj12lee on 30 Sep 2006 - 21:01
I don't see where the BBC says this is the first. How about this BBC article, from 2004:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3590872.stm

"CompuHigh" in the US claims to be the first - opened 1994.

Also, in the UK there are www.nisai-education.co.uk and www.briteschool.co.uk

for example see the links at Briteschool / Briteniteschool:

http://www.briteschool.co.uk/Links'other.htm

Maybe it's the first that Tim Brookes has heard of
#24 Shining Arcanine on 01 Oct 2006 - 13:21
I thought that the point of the school system was to educate them, about things like math and english, which people will not figure out on their own.
#25 Lisamree on 02 Oct 2006 - 16:00
In response to those worried about what students of an online High School may be missing in terms of releationships, character building etc...have you read the reports or watched the news recently? High School is not what is was, the stakes are higher for those with any learning disability, or social issue. These kids are not protected by the administration from the other "normal" children. Violence, cruelty, lack of consequences to aberrant behavior abound for those deemed "different" by others. Where does it become abusive instead of character forming, and how do we determine the difference? As the mother of a child with A.D.D. I value each opportunity to build his self-esteem...let's face it, kid's are cruel and getting more so each day.

It seems to me that until we require, expect, and ensure civilized behavior by the student body, protect those who cannot learn in the present threatening enviornment ,we should offer as many varied solutions for success for every child.

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