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Security warnings over Windows Vista

Steven Parker   on 02 October 2006 - 12:20 · 26 comments & 7908 views

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Microsoft is coming under increasing fire over the security of its Windows software.

While criticims of Windows security vulnerabilities are nothing new, Microsoft plans to take control of security on Windows Vista, their next release.

This means that third-party software vendors could be prevented from protecting Windows Vista.

This comes after a series of serious security flaws were found in Windows applications, with Powerpoint, Word, and Internet Explorer all vulnerable - and still unpatched.

It remains an issue of acute embarrassment for Microsoft - that a billion-dollar multinational software development company which receives extensive revenues from licence fees - not simply allows the security exploits to go unnoticed until third-parties notify of them, but also leaves user machines vulnerable while third-party security companies are able to roll out fixes to the public.

Additionally, third party security development companies have already released a patch for the flaw - weeks before Microsoft plans to release their own version.

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(6 replies) #1 Chicane-UK on 02 Oct 2006 - 12:24
Whichever way you paint the picture, its pretty embarassing for Microsoft.

I'm sure they're going to try and turn this on its head with XP and say "Look how bad this is.. you need SHINY NEW Windows Vista which doesn't have this problem" rather than accepting responsibility for how badly they deal with some current security holes.

It is pretty outrageous.. this isn't some small, independent Linux distro or something - this is the largest software company in the world. Sort it out!!
#1.1 HawkMan on 02 Oct 2006 - 13:23
yeah, it's not like it's easier to slap on an external patch than it is to actually fix the problem where it is.

it's not like you have to deal with quality checking on the changed code, check for problems causedin other parts of the system from the change code and all that... no... changign internal code is a pieceof cake and youd ont' need to do any of this so quality quality checking on it...

Try to realize the difference between actually fixing a patch and just slappignon an external firewalls "patch"
#1.2 RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 13:34
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you need SHINY NEW Windows Vista

Vista is just XP with ****ty transparency
XP is just 2000 with ****ty themes
2000 is just ME with some some ****ty bloated NTFS
ME is just 98 with a pair of useless apps and a thousand of useful bugs.
98 is just 95 with web view in folders.
95 is just 3.11 with maximize and minimize buttons on the window frame.
3.11 is just 3.1 withsome ****ty "multimedia"
3.1 is just 2 without multi-colored windows
2 is just 1 with windows that can intercept
1 is just DOS.... well, but much worse and with RedGreenBlue windows.
DOS is just Linux, but not so bloated.


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this isn't some small, independent Linux distro or something - this is the largest software company in the world. Sort it out!!

What's easier to sort out? Small Linux distro, or large OS.
Don't forget about exponentiality. It may happen that there is not enough programmers in the whole world to code something as big as Windows in a way small linux distros devs do.
#1.3 yudi_lks on 02 Oct 2006 - 14:15
Quote - RealFduch said @ #1.2
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you need SHINY NEW Windows Vista

Vista is just XP with ****ty transparency
XP is just 2000 with ****ty themes
2000 is just ME with some some ****ty bloated NTFS
ME is just 98 with a pair of useless apps and a thousand of useful bugs.
98 is just 95 with web view in folders.
95 is just 3.11 with maximize and minimize buttons on the window frame.
3.11 is just 3.1 withsome ****ty "multimedia"
3.1 is just 2 without multi-colored windows
2 is just 1 with windows that can intercept
1 is just DOS.... well, but much worse and with RedGreenBlue windows.
DOS is just Linux, but not so bloated.


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this isn't some small, independent Linux distro or something - this is the largest software company in the world. Sort it out!!

What's easier to sort out? Small Linux distro, or large OS.
Don't forget about exponentiality. It may happen that there is not enough programmers in the whole world to code something as big as Windows in a way small linux distros devs do.


Hahaha.. Ingenious
#1.4 PureLegend on 02 Oct 2006 - 14:57
Quote - RealFduch said @ #1.2
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you need SHINY NEW Windows Vista

Vista is just XP with ****ty transparency
XP is just 2000 with ****ty themes
2000 is just ME with some some ****ty bloated NTFS
ME is just 98 with a pair of useless apps and a thousand of useful bugs.
98 is just 95 with web view in folders.
95 is just 3.11 with maximize and minimize buttons on the window frame.
3.11 is just 3.1 withsome ****ty "multimedia"
3.1 is just 2 without multi-colored windows
2 is just 1 with windows that can intercept
1 is just DOS.... well, but much worse and with RedGreenBlue windows.
DOS is just Linux, but not so bloated.


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this isn't some small, independent Linux distro or something - this is the largest software company in the world. Sort it out!!

What's easier to sort out? Small Linux distro, or large OS.
Don't forget about exponentiality. It may happen that there is not enough programmers in the whole world to code something as big as Windows in a way small linux distros devs do.


95 intro'd the taskbar, user file naming, and other things we take for granted nowadays.

How can you even talk about 2000? 2000 is a continuation of the NT line, so saying it's just ME with NTFS is just plain ignorant.

XP would be just that - hence the version "5.1", not "6.0" unlike Vista which is said to be the most expensive software project ever, making it a massive step up. The basic code has been re-written.

And the Linux comment, WTF? Are you saying that Linux is far less complex than Windows or something?
MS should be able to get those things going, seeing how big they are. And Linux isn't without faults...

Mac: Hey, I'm a Mac
PC: Hello, I'm a PC
Linux: Hi, I'm a Linux
Mac: Well, I'm out of the box, and now I'm off to do some blogs and such
PC: Whoa, well first I gotta install drivers and plug in all the necessary equipment. This could take a while...
Linux: I feel ya, PC. But I've also got to ask the user completely obscure questions, refer the user to a Terminal for everything, and make them feel as if they shouldn't be here. Mwahahaha!
Mac: Dude, you're just pure evil!
PC: Yeah, even I rarely have to use a Terminal
Linux: But...but...OURS IS CHEAPER
#1.5 Ravensworth on 02 Oct 2006 - 15:26
Hello? I'm pretty sure he was joking. The "DOS is just Linux" comment should have given you a clue.
#1.6 RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 16:20
yes, that was obviously joke.

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How can you even talk about 2000? 2000 is a continuation of the NT line, so saying it's just ME with NTFS is just plain ignorant.

Ok.
2000 is just NT with DirectX
NT is just 98 without DirectX (useful DirectX)
Are you satisfied?

As for XP I agree that changes between 2000 and XP are not as huge as with NT&98->2000 and XP->Vista, but I think that XP is not about themes like Vista is not about Glass.
(1 reply) #2 mohan_168 on 02 Oct 2006 - 12:40
Security has become a joke over the past month.
#2.1 Julius Caro on 02 Oct 2006 - 13:13
Yup, specially with symantec trying to grab their piece of the cake.
#3 mrmckeb on 02 Oct 2006 - 12:52
Someone is paying out Microsoft without looking at the whole picture first and Neowin posted it? That's a first! :sarcasm:

Everyone get off Microsofts case. If they aren't patching it then it's not a pressing issue... they wouldn't leave lethal flaws in Windows because that could make them look bad.
(4 replies) #4 shmengie on 02 Oct 2006 - 13:14
the only 'safe' os is one that's not connected to the internet (or intranet). ms's biggest problem is that they refuse to stop building in backwards-compatibility. smart from a sales standpoint; dumb from a security standpoint. couple that with the fact that everybody wants every driver to be native, and you got a HUUUUGE os. there's bound to be holes. as long as they keep patching, i got no major beef.
#4.1 RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 13:36
No it's notsafe. Remember viruses on floppies? And waht about internal bugs?
#4.2 HawkMan on 02 Oct 2006 - 13:47
I got more viruses on floppies than I ever did on the net.

wich was worse because back then we never bothered with AV, and everyone that had AV was horribly out of date with floppy by mal distribution of new virus signatures
#4.3 shmengie on 02 Oct 2006 - 14:05
fine. you got me on a technicality. what i meant was: a computer is safe as long as it is an island, free from outside influences. i'll revise my statement to: don't take any wooden floppies. oh, you get a lot of floppies these days, do you?
#4.4 RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 14:16
floppies = CDs with new Sony rootkit, iPods with witty Apple DRM
+ a pair of time-bombs in the OS.
+ really working Y2K

P.S. maybe they installed some "software" in our heads? :p
#5 chaosblade on 02 Oct 2006 - 14:33
Another ****ty company trying to keep its lame products alive.
Wake up, Symantec.
Wake up, Mcaffe.

Your products are no longer needed. Thanks for playing, See you next time.
#6 Colin-uk on 02 Oct 2006 - 14:49
Good on microsoft for implementing protection and more seecurity in thier OS.

My guess is though, that these third party companies will complain to the EU and they will force microsoft to do something about it (e.g. take out some of thier security features) and that would SUCK.
#7 fragmore on 02 Oct 2006 - 15:22
Pretty stupid to have an article or discussion about a product that, as of now, doesn't exist.

Back up and look at the whole of this site's articles. So many about, holes and other problems with Microsoft products.

Anyone that can think for himself should be looking for ann alternitive. [Apple, Linux, Solaris, etc.]

Now, some fool is going to say that any of these alternatives have holes etc. True, but usually to a negligable degree when compared with those aeen in Microsoft products.

You guys are just numb to the problems that you deal with on a day to day basis. Too Bad for you!
#8 shirike on 02 Oct 2006 - 15:27
I don't trust third party security patches and would rather wait and behave sensibly until MS's official patch is released.

MS patches are probably more stable and better quality-checked than third-party releases.
(1 reply) #9 ThePitt on 02 Oct 2006 - 16:16
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Security warnings over Windows Vista

Nah. Thats impossible. Is the most secure OS of the history.

And security warnings from m$?. Nah. Thats a lie
#9.1 RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 16:33
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Thats impossible. Is the most secure OS of the history.

"Thats impossible" <=/= "Is the most secure OS of the history"
"Is the most secure OS of the history" =/=> "It's secure"
"Is the most secure OS of the history" == "Future OSes won't be more secure"
(2 replies) #10 grik on 02 Oct 2006 - 18:21
this doesnt surprise me, MS is acting like a kid in this VISTA. They dont let 3rd party software to help secure Vista.

Me myself and I, dont trust MS security firewall os AVīs, so sort it out MS, im not the only saying this, EU is demanding too, you wanna play here (EU), play with decent rules!!
#10.1 SIE on 02 Oct 2006 - 19:09
You must be having a laugh m8, unlike you most Europeans would side with MS like most people who read Neowin, if your not happy then you can complain and see if they will do you a "Windows Vista M" version, M being for moron.
#10.2 rm20010 on 02 Oct 2006 - 22:47
I don't see anyone whining about OS X's hardened security and its apparent lack of need of an antivirus suite.

Time will tell if MS's strategy will work. Until then, I won't let some whining pompous assholes get all ****y for the fact that they are less needed anymore.
(1 reply) #11 cork1958 on 02 Oct 2006 - 21:19
Not even vaguely interested in Vista anyway. Amazing how the security issues are already spreading though. Vista will be no different than any other version of Windows security wise and end up being patched to death. So it has a ton more eye candy? That's just about the first thing I disable!
#11.1 RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 21:47
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Amazing how the security issues are already spreading though.

Want me to spread some issues about you?

Last edited by RealFduch on 02 Oct 2006 - 22:22

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