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Kaspersky defends Microsoft, refutes Vista security lockout

Steven Parker   on 09 October 2006 - 08:50 · 25 comments & 12022 views

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Russian security vendor Kapersky has jumped to the defence of Microsoft, refuting claims by rival security vendors Symantec and McAfee that Microsoft is using its monopoly to lock them out of access to the Vista operating system kernel.

According to a Reuters report, Kapersky co-founder and chief executive Natalya Kapersky said that from what the company had seen of Vista, Microsoft was not blocking access to the core.

Both Symantec and McAfee, the two largest security software vendors in the world, claim that the Patchguard feature of Vista, which locks up the kernel to prevent modification of the core code, would not make exceptions form security companies so that they could protect the operating system from the inside out.

Both McAfee and Symantec say that Patchguard has already been hacked at least once.

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#1 Xerxes on 09 Oct 2006 - 08:59
They are only complaining cause they can't get in and what is wrong with MS taking steps to make Vista safer? they just don't like it cause it costs them money, that is why (the safer Vista is, the less likely people will want/need to buy additional security software etc (I know it's not that simple, but I hope at least someone gets the point?)
#2 MrCobra on 09 Oct 2006 - 09:00
I hope both Symantec & McAfee go belly up. They bitch, wine, and moan about everything. Learn to write good programs you lazy no talent coders.
#3 billyea on 09 Oct 2006 - 09:08
I'm feeling like buying Kapersky right now, but I already have NOD32
#4 Pegus on 09 Oct 2006 - 09:15
Kaspersky FTW!
#5 yakumo on 09 Oct 2006 - 09:33
I must admit I switched to nod32 from kaspersky a few years back, but I've always kept a lot of respect for them.
(3 replies) #6 skase on 09 Oct 2006 - 09:34
Good on em! Kasperspy was mispelt twice btw
#6.1 Salgoth on 09 Oct 2006 - 10:06
Quote - skase said @ #6
Good on em! Kasperspy was mispelt twice btw

^ Really? Glad you set us straight. ROFL!
#6.2 prospero on 09 Oct 2006 - 13:07
Quote - skase said @ #6
Good on em! Kasperspy was mispelt twice btw


I believe it's Kaspersky, not Kaperspy, and not Kasperspy either, the two mispellings remain.
#6.3 youngmc33 on 11 Oct 2006 - 04:52
The fact that you guys keep misspelling the word misspell is hilarious.
(3 replies) #7 sorlag on 09 Oct 2006 - 11:38
Stick with nod/avast etc... Ive seen an article, describing how unsafe and unstable the hooking approach of kaspersky actually is.
#7.1 RootWind on 09 Oct 2006 - 12:26
Please enlighten us with this article.
#7.2 Cyranthus on 09 Oct 2006 - 16:19
Quote - sorlag said @ #7
Stick with nod/avast etc... Ive seen an article, describing how unsafe and unstable the hooking approach of kaspersky actually is.


yes please.
#7.3 idoia on 10 Oct 2006 - 00:15
He saw it in a dream
#8 pgudge on 09 Oct 2006 - 12:27
MS Windows opened the gateway for Anit Virus protection, and that opened the gateway for "Speed Up" utils and apps after installing Norton and others, which the opened the market for anti spyware etc, which got installed after installing downloaded utilities.

So MS putting this Patchgaurd stuff in its going to put a lot of busniesses out of work, unless th they come up with something new, and i'm sure you would all agree, if MS was going to release a new Windows you would all like it to be as secure as possible.

This is going to be like MS AntiTrust 2, unless we already had that one?
#9 chaosblade on 09 Oct 2006 - 13:13
See, The REAL security companies know what Vista is all about.
Let the snot-nosed kids at Symantec whine some more.
#10 guylaroche on 09 Oct 2006 - 13:29
Well, if McAfee and Symantec had competent developers making competent products, we wouldn't be having this argument in the first place!
#11 BigBoy on 09 Oct 2006 - 13:54
Yup, it's all FUD. Symantec and McAfee need to get over it. Posted on this few days back with responses from one of Vista security guys:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=500930

Interesting reading...
#12 paulhaskew on 09 Oct 2006 - 14:22
go Kaspersky!!! w00t!
#13 g0wg on 09 Oct 2006 - 14:52
Actually, the stuff Symantec and McAfee are saying was already proven false on another article which was on Neowin's frontpage (or the blogs, dunno exactly) a few days ago.

In summary, Microsoft locked up tight the kernel but provided "secure" APIs that can be used by 3rd parties to create AntiViruses, Firewalls and whatever other security software you can immagine. The doors to the kernel are provided by Microsoft so other companies can provide "better" alternatives. Their (the security companies) only problem is that Symantec & co. will have to re-implement their codebase to use these APIs.
#14 eilegz on 09 Oct 2006 - 15:53
considering that both mcafee and symantec make too much crappy products compared to kapesky, eset and trendmicro, i wont trust or even care about that this 2 companies says.
(1 reply) #15 Joni_78 on 09 Oct 2006 - 17:05
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Both Symantec and McAfee, the two largest security software vendors in the world, claim that the Patchguard feature of Vista, which locks up the kernel to prevent modification of the core code, would not make exceptions form security companies so that they could protect the operating system from the inside out.


So it's pointless to install antivirus software on your PC now?
#15.1 machorro on 09 Oct 2006 - 17:41
no, it's just pointles to install Symantec and McAfee on your PC , it's just that now MS made it easier to do it, just go with another company that really does its job like Kaspersky, NOD32 and the likes of them

being MS as big as it is, there will always be a need of Antivirus, because the general user it just dumb and will run and give access to anything they come across, as it has always been said the mayor security hole of any OS and specially windows, since the way they designed XP and below has been the user
#16 Meacham on 09 Oct 2006 - 17:06
The main issue here really is the fact that Microsoft have taken steps to maintain security and integrety of their OS... and McAfee and Symantec feel they are being left out in the rain. (So to speek) I agree with Kapersky.
#17 mel00 on 10 Oct 2006 - 05:23
Kaspersky is my fav anti-virus latest version is rock solid.. I install the sucker on a cutomer laptop a T20 256mb and P3 700mhz, and I kill some Windows service to free memory but anti-virus was only taking 20mb I got 30 during scanning... I like the fact is not eye candy and has very high detection rate and getting rid of pet... is eye candy if you windows as theme is on..
#18 C_Guy on 10 Oct 2006 - 16:26
Our organization recently dumped NAV in favour of Kaspersky and everyone is very pleased with it. This articles demonstrates their corporate maturity, too, and I am very pleased to see them not follow Symantec and McAfee's footseps. When we upgrade to Vista I am certain we will use Kaspersky's product.

Too bad, so sad Symantec...but please keep whining. It just reaffirms that we made the right decision.

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