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Microsoft Set To Deliver ODF Support

lardiop   on 13 October 2006 - 21:40 · 24 comments & 12488 views

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Microsoft later this month plans to release a converter that will let Word users open documents saved in the OpenDocument format.

By the end of the year, the open-source project building the converters will move past simply opening documents and add the ability to save documents created in Word in the ODF format, said Brian Jones, a Microsoft Office program manager. A first prototype of this "Save to ODF" Word add-on will also be made available later this month. Next year, the Open XML Translator project, done primarily by developers at French company Clever Age, intends to create converters that can translate between Microsoft's Excel and PowerPoint and the corresponding ODF file formats, Jones added.

The converters will not be packaged as part of the upcoming Office 2007. Instead, Microsoft will make them available from the same Web site where people can get add-on converters for the PDF and XPS formats, Jones said.

OpenDocument is built on XML, and Office 2007 will use Office Open XML by default, another XML-based format.

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(8 replies) #1 jwjw1 on 13 Oct 2006 - 22:02
MS will just end up 'buying out' the competition again
#1.1 Mathiasdm on 13 Oct 2006 - 22:03
That's the one thing they can't do to open source software ;-)
#1.2 XerXis on 13 Oct 2006 - 22:10
Quote - jwjw1 said @ #1
MS will just end up 'buying out' the competition again


bull
#1.3 kizzaaa on 13 Oct 2006 - 23:30
Quote - XerXis said @ #1.2
Quote - jwjw1 said @ #1
MS will just end up 'buying out' the competition again


bull


Why is that bull?
#1.4 Jugalator on 14 Oct 2006 - 00:08
It's a bit hard to "buy out" an open standard. :-p Or an open source software if that's what you're talking about.

What they can do is to start supporting this format natively and hope they'll take OOo marketshare or so, but not really much more. In case they'd grab the OOo source and do something on their own with it, they need to release their modifications as source code too, and then a free branch made by a random guy from Microsoft's version would be legal too. This is a traditional LGPL license.

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#1.5 Croquant on 14 Oct 2006 - 01:50
You can't buy something that nobody can own.
#1.6 Kushan on 14 Oct 2006 - 02:06
I completely agree with Jugalator, but lets not forget that Web standards are open, but if you have a big enough install base (and lets face it, a LOT of corporations use MS Office) then you can mess with those standards just enough to force people to have to use your product..
#1.7 freeeekyyy on 14 Oct 2006 - 04:25
Quote - Kushan said @ #1.6
I completely agree with Jugalator, but lets not forget that Web standards are open, but if you have a big enough install base (and lets face it, a LOT of corporations use MS Office) then you can mess with those standards just enough to force people to have to use your product..


No. The license stays the same.
#1.8 XerXis on 14 Oct 2006 - 08:44
Quote - Kushan said @ #1.6
I completely agree with Jugalator, but lets not forget that Web standards are open, but if you have a big enough install base (and lets face it, a LOT of corporations use MS Office) then you can mess with those standards just enough to force people to have to use your product..


you are comparing a technical recommendation (web standards) with a legal license
#2 Samurai-HQ on 13 Oct 2006 - 22:33
Will this work hand in hand with OpenOffice then I take it?

They use .ODT but see no mention of this in the article.
(3 replies) #3 *John* on 13 Oct 2006 - 22:36
The only problem I can see with this is Microsoft Office not supporting it by default. This means that the average user, that neither knows about, nor cares about add-ons, still wont be able to save to ODF and vice versa. :/
#3.1 Code.Red on 13 Oct 2006 - 22:59
Seems like they are doing this because Adobe didn't want Microsoft to make PDF available when you install- it has to be downloaded. =/
#3.2 noleafclover on 13 Oct 2006 - 23:34
The average user that doesn't know about it probably won't need to know about it because they may not have a use for it. If Joe User just wants to type something for a school assignment and print it then ODF is useless to them

At least with the PDF / XPS thing in Office 2007 the option is still there in the menu so that you know it was available for download - when I installed the Beta 2 refresh I almost crapped myself because I thought it had been totally removed, but then I spotted it a few seconds later
#3.3 XerXis on 14 Oct 2006 - 08:46
Quote - *John* said @ #3
The only problem I can see with this is Microsoft Office not supporting it by default. This means that the average user, that neither knows about, nor cares about add-ons, still wont be able to save to ODF and vice versa. :/


blame adobe for microsoft not supporting openxml, odt and pdf out of the box. I still don't get why adobe won that case (i can understand pdf, but who openxml?)
(4 replies) #4 Croquant on 14 Oct 2006 - 01:59
So in other words, Microsoft will quietly release a ODF converter at the same time that Vista-hype will have reached "extremely-loud" on the hype-o-scale. So, how many Office users will even be aware of this converter, much less the free OpenOffice alternitive? Very few, that's how many. Meanwhile, MS can take this ODF converter and parade it up and down in front of the DOJ and say "See? We're playing nice with the competition."
And that, boys and girls, is how the game is played.
#4.1 brianshapiro on 14 Oct 2006 - 02:10
the people who need it will hear about it. there wouldn't be any major advertisement of it in either case, or need for them to advertise it. even if there was less vista hype, and the media reported on this; there wouldn't be a large amount of people suddenly flocking to openoffice. expect you'd want them to release it after vista hype was down, as if that would make a large difference?
#4.2 Croquant on 14 Oct 2006 - 02:31
Quote - brianshapiro said @ #4.1
the people who need it will hear about it. there wouldn't be any major advertisement of it in either case, or need for them to advertise it. even if there was less vista hype, and the media reported on this; there wouldn't be a large amount of people suddenly flocking to openoffice. expect you'd want them to release it after vista hype was down, as if that would make a large difference?

I didn't say I was expecting people to suddenly flock to OpenOffice. I'll thank you not to try to put words in my mouth.
Oh, and just a note for your future writing endeavors: The first word of a new sentence is supposed to be capitalized. Did someone steal the Shift keys from your keyboard?
#4.3 slimy on 14 Oct 2006 - 03:52
What would you like them to do? Help the competition? Maybe right before someone buys office, Microsoft should have a representative mention that open office is free? If MS wanted to, they could simply not release a converter, but instead they are offering for those that might use it.
#4.4 brianshapiro on 14 Oct 2006 - 07:06
Croquant,

you were pedantic in another way besides telling me to capitalize the first word of my sentence...

the point behind my whole response is that the timing wasn't a cunning scheme by Microsoft, as you implied. if there were no Vista hype, nothing significant would happen to Microsoft's business. Microsoft would feel pressured to make the converter anyway, they would release it, perhaps it would get more notice, but no major shift in the market would happen.

--and the release of Vista will be relatively near the release of Office 2007--they try to pair all major Windows releases with an Office release. the reason they are announcing the converter is because Office 2007 will be coming out soon. that Office and Vista are on track to be out, is just a sign of some degree of health in Microsoft's business.

so, saying nobody will be flocking to OpenOffice, is to say that the converter would never have been a big deal in any case, in the short run. the timing doesn't matter.

btw, next time you respond; no, sentences aren't "supposed" to be capitalized. it's a convention, and it's not always important in casual conversation.

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#5 toadeater on 14 Oct 2006 - 02:27
Here's the open-source version, in case MS pulls any shenanigans.


ODF Add-in for Microsoft Word
(1 reply) #6 mattrobs on 14 Oct 2006 - 04:49
Well in the Refresh of Beta 2 of Office 2007, even though the PDF and XPS plugins aren't there, there's a clear link in the File > Publish menu. Assumedly, the Open Office addon will get a link there too.
#6.1 J_R_G on 14 Oct 2006 - 14:31
That!
(1 reply) #7 CRTrials on 14 Oct 2006 - 20:08
Why not just come up with an open format for everyone to use rather than competeing formats all the time
#7.1 GamblerFEXonlin on 15 Oct 2006 - 00:34
Oh we have, theres just that every greedy corporation wants monopoly with their own standard. Belive me, if companies saw us as anything but walking wallets things would be quite different.

We do have OGG/OGM, ODF and bittorrent. Free software made by idealistic individuals is usually a much better and less bloated alternative to corporate software. Business must grow so they constantly have to add bloat and hastly developed features for a deadline. I use uTorrent as an example, one of the best programs I've ever had the pleasure of using.

uTorrent
No install, keeps its settings in its own dir so no if you keep it on D: theres need to move around stuff before a reinstall and no need to copy stuff if you dual-boot XP/Vista, super small, alphablended buttons for clean, fast, pretty customization.
http://jooh.no/web/utorrent_pretty.png

Last edited by GamblerFEXonlin on 15 Oct 2006 - 00:49

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