Microsoft Announces low-cost upgrades to Windows Vista
Posted by Tom Warren on 24 October 2006 - 22:06 · 29 comments & 15020 views
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#1 Posted by EduardValencia on 24 Oct 2006 - 22:51
- i bought my dell on the 17th of october,am i eligible for an upgrade from my OEM?
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#1.1 Posted by garbagestrike on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:10
- no u can only get it cheap with the coupon
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#2 Posted by badazzEVO8 on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:05
- nope
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#3 Posted by BigBoy on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:24
- You could return it... or go to the Dell kiosk and say that you will return it and why - and then turn around and buy it again? They should have a 30 day return policy "no questions asked".
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#4 Posted by M118LR on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:26
- Notice that Vista Premium is not part of this plan.
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#4.1 Posted by excalpius on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:34
- Of course not. Microsoft has set things up so everyone buys a new machine with the bare bones, who the heck would ever want to use this version, Vista Home install. And then, everyone who actually wants to use their computer for anything like what people use Macs for (or their current XP machines), will have to pay cash money straight to MS to upgrade to the OS that the magazines, tv ads, and salespeople will be showing everyone to get them excited about Vista.
In my advertising class, this was called bait and switch...and it's illegal. I'm sure Microsoft has found a way to pretend this isn't what they are doing, but how many of you out there are interested in buying ONLY Vista Home? Anyone? Didn't think so. -
#4.2 Posted by M118LR on 25 Oct 2006 - 01:39
- Quote - excalpius said @ #4.1Of course not. Microsoft has set things up so everyone buys a new machine with the bare bones, who the heck would ever want to use this version, Vista Home install. And then, everyone who actually wants to use their computer for anything like what people use Macs for (or their current XP machines), will have to pay cash money straight to MS to upgrade to the OS that the magazines, tv ads, and salespeople will be showing everyone to get them excited about Vista.
In my advertising class, this was called bait and switch...and it's illegal. I'm sure Microsoft has found a way to pretend this isn't what they are doing, but how many of you out there are interested in buying ONLY Vista Home? Anyone? Didn't think so.
Do you have a clue about Home Basic? I have been running Home Basic since 5384. I run the Standard UI. I have most of what Glass has. The Ui runs through DWM. I have the same color choices as Glass and no I don't miss Transparency. I can also run Home Premium, Business or Premium. I choose not to. I have no use for MC, Tablet or any of the extra's. You see people asking on here all of the time what processes can they turn off in Premium. I don't have those processes to turn off in the first place. -
#4.3 Posted by excalpius on 25 Oct 2006 - 09:14
- I'm glad you are happy with running it without the glass interface. But NO ONE is selling Vista on the ONE feature it actually shipped with, the new interface.
And to say I don't have a clue, when you make is perfectly clear that you don't use any of the new Vista stuff (only found in the more expensive versions), makes you kind of look like you don't know how to read.
Here, I'll make it crystal clear for you:
You just made my point for me. -
#4.4 Posted by HawkMan on 25 Oct 2006 - 12:50
- Quote - excalpius said @ #4.3I'm glad you are happy with running it without the glass interface. But NO ONE is selling Vista on the ONE feature it actually shipped with, the new interface.
And to say I don't have a clue, when you make is perfectly clear that you don't use any of the new Vista stuff (only found in the more expensive versions), makes you kind of look like you don't know how to read.
Here, I'll make it crystal clear for you:
You just made my point for me.
That post alone tells me you dont' have a clue, so he wasn't very far off... -
#4.5 Posted by excalpius on 25 Oct 2006 - 18:16
- I guess you didn't read his post, or mine for that matter, since you aren't actually pointing to my opinions/positions and countering them with reasoned arguments and facts of your own.
I can therefore only assume you're just a reactionary/MS apologist...who also seems to have no concept of puntuation or grammar (read other posts below)...a bad combination if you want your posts to be taken more seriously than mine.
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#5 Posted by excalpius on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:29
- Don't buy into this...
These machines don't come with a DX10 graphics card ( cause they don't exist yet! ), so make sure you let people know they'll have to upgrade that as well in order to get everything (well the only thing worth upgrading for) out of Vista. AND they'll have to trust the XP->Vista upgrade path, including all the issues with crapware bundles from Symantec and McAfee as well as the OEM ones (like all the junk Sony puts on their machines).
My advice to everyone is to wait to buy until after you've seen a real, working Vista machine with DX10 graphics, updated OEM crapware, bug fixes over the next 60-90 days, etc.
It'll only be a month or two, so why not wait and avoid the potential hassles? -
#5.1 Posted by
neufuse on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:37
- Quote - excalpius said @ #5Don't buy into this...
These machines don't come with a DX10 graphics card ( cause they don't exist yet! ), so make sure you let people know they'll have to upgrade that as well in order to get everything (well the only thing worth upgrading for) out of Vista. AND they'll have to trust the XP->Vista upgrade path, including all the issues with crapware bundles from Symantec and McAfee as well as the OEM ones (like all the junk Sony puts on their machines).
My advice to everyone is to wait to buy until after you've seen a real, working Vista machine with DX10 graphics, updated OEM crapware, bug fixes over the next 60-90 days, etc.
It'll only be a month or two, so why not wait and avoid the potential hassles?
Personally I'd wait to SP1, but that is just me after putting up with Visual Studio 2005's extreme buggieness...
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#6 Posted by djesteban on 24 Oct 2006 - 23:53
- so hmmm... what's a low cost upgrade?? 10$, 50$, a 100$ for an equivalent version? what is low cost for Microsoft????
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#7 Posted by +Shadrack on 25 Oct 2006 - 00:56
- Yeah...what the heck is low cost and why don't we have an actual figure in the article with a $ sign next to it so we can be the judge.
People should buy a computer this holiday season so that they are ensured a working computer with Windows XP SP2 installed and not the buggy beasts Microsoft will release next year. Don't wait and fall victim to the "I'm an unsuspecting Microsoft beta tester" ploy! Wait until at least SP1 is released before jumping on the "Vista" bandwagon. That won't be until AT LEAST the end of the summer next year if not Christmas '07.
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#8 Posted by werejag on 25 Oct 2006 - 03:38
- Suggested retail price for full package product, $399.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $259.00 USD.
This is low cost upgrade??
wtf is microsoft thinking with upgrade bs?? maybe they will get a clue. i doubt it thou.
this will hurt pc sales. i hope the industry wakes up and stomps microsoft back for this -
#8.1 Posted by HawkMan on 25 Oct 2006 - 12:51
- Maybe if you btohered to read and comprehend.
This is a special deal for those that buy new computers NOW before vista ships with Windows XP. they will get to ugprade to vista for a heavily rebated price form the standard upgrade price. -
#8.2 Posted by excalpius on 25 Oct 2006 - 18:20
- Hawkman, all of your posts read as uninformed apologist rhetoric. For example, in this one, you claim that werejag is not "Reading and Comprehending" the story correctly. But clearly, he has, as he is discussing something other than what you are ignorantly repeating as if none of us read the article...ahem.
Read carefully, comprehend, think of your response, post it carefully (including spelling and typos), and you'll come off as an intelligent contributor to this debate...instead of a reactionary apologist jumping down people's throats for your mistaken interpretations of their opinions... -
#8.3 Posted by HawkMan on 25 Oct 2006 - 18:37
- Quote - excalpius said @ #8.2Hawkman, all of your posts read as uninformed apologist rhetoric. For example, in this one, you claim that werejag is not "Reading and Comprehending" the story correctly. But clearly, he has, as he is discussing something other than what you are ignorantly repeating as if none of us read the article...ahem.
Read carefully, comprehend, think of your response, post it carefully (including spelling and typos), and you'll come off as an intelligent contributor to this debate...instead of a reactionary apologist jumping down people's throats for your mistaken interpretations of their opinions...
Well the thign is he is commenting on THIS article, yet his comment has no relation to THIS article.
and like all the usual MS flamers he also constantly chooses to no only use only the Ultimate package, but also only the non OEM version. Nice attempt to sidetrack form the actual point though. Guess you couldn't contribute anythign useful about the actual topic at hand.
So I throw that last part there right back at you.
and upgrading is free if you buy XP pro or MCE btw, wich isn't mentioned here. Well except for shipping and handling.
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#9 Posted by Davo on 25 Oct 2006 - 03:38
- I had Windows ME when Microsoft launched Windows XP so anything was better than that at the time. However, if that weren't the case, I would have waited to get XP when Service Pack 2 was launched. It didn't really feel like a complete, full OS until then. Obviously, EVERYTHING could always use a little more work, but for now I'm sticking with XP until atleast the end of 2007/beginning of 2008. I suspect it being longer if SP3 actually ever comes out.
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#10 Posted by +guylaroche on 25 Oct 2006 - 03:41
- Sounds good
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#11 Posted by excalpius on 25 Oct 2006 - 09:16
- Tell everyone you know, friends, family, clients...don't go anywhere near this OS until EVERYONE tells you it is safe to step in them thar waters. My guess...spring to summer of next year.
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#11.1 Posted by HawkMan on 25 Oct 2006 - 12:55
- Rather than just do as some random user on "teh intarweb" says. I think I'll use my own opinions and experiences with actually runnign vista and reccomend anyone who asks or buys a computer from now to get vista, and not to camp in the silly wait for SP1 boat.
A more stable Os, a Safer OS, and an overall nicer and faster OS... how is it not safe to step in those waters... When you like in a shark cage in a pool filled with everythign from giant whites to tigershark, it doesn't get less safe o use a better shark cage in another lake with less sharks. -
#11.2 Posted by excalpius on 25 Oct 2006 - 18:11
- Well, I'm not saying wait until SP1. I only advise NOT buying a new computer with these silly coupons and waiting a few months to buy something built from the ground up for Vista (and DX10).
I'll take a proven shark cage over an experimental, still obviously unfinished beta one for the next couple of months.
Vista is not proven stable or safer yet and is not faster than XP, by anyone's measure. "Nicer" is not something you can measure, so it's just your opinion tag.
Your opinion might be taken more credibly (here and by the people you will be advising) if you took the time to edit the grammar, spelling, and typos of your posts.
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#12 Posted by madkingsoup on 25 Oct 2006 - 09:40
- Didn't they do this with XP as well? Buy Win98/ME just before XP came out and you got a free/nominal upgrade to XP?
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#13 Posted by Croquant on 25 Oct 2006 - 12:14
- Wait until after DX 10 cards hit. Don't buy a new machine until then unless you plan on running XP. It's just not worth it.
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#13.1 Posted by excalpius on 25 Oct 2006 - 18:12
- agreed.
buy something built from the ground up for Vista, when it's done and solid, in a couple of months. -
#13.2 Posted by cooljerk_dv on 25 Oct 2006 - 18:25
- So when do you think higher end Dx10 mobile graphics cards will start hitting the market. With the additional heat and power requirements of these cards (G80 based for example) I feel we won't see any mobile dx10 cards until at least Q2-Q3 2007.
I am also looking at a new laptop, and will probably get one now, and sell it again next year (to buy a proper vista based notebook), I just don't think this notebook that I am waiting for will be out until at least mid/late summer next year.
“Our customers can shop for a new PC with confidence this holiday season because of the Express Upgrade to Windows Vista and Office Technology Guarantee programs,” said Mike Sievert, corporate vice president of Windows Client Marketing at Microsoft. “These programs ensure people will have a great experience with their Windows XP-based PCs today, and an even better one when Windows Vista and the 2007 Microsoft Office release become available.”
A number of computer manufacturers worldwide have confirmed plans to participate in the Express Upgrade to Windows Vista program. PCs carrying the Windows Vista Capable logo may be eligible for the program, but upgrade offers will vary among PC makers. The upgrade to Windows Vista may be offered for free or at a discounted price (shipping and handling charges may also apply), and customers should check with PC makers for their specific offers. Consumers can also visit http://www.windowsvista.com/expressupgrade for more information.