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Windows Vista will RTM at build 6.0.6000

Steven Parker   on 31 October 2006 - 09:14 · 54 comments & 60573 views

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A source close to Microsoft has confirmed to me that Windows Vista will in fact carry the build number 6.0.6000. He found this out by receiving a mail with the build stamp "Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16384" so that ends that speculation.

Also the MSDN subscription page has been updated with the following information
Windows Vista and Office 2007: Availability on MSDN Subscriber Downloads
Windows Vista and Office 2007 will be available through MSDN Subscriber downloads within 7 days of release to manufacture (RTM). MSDN Subscriptions is committed to making new content available to our subscribers as soon as is practical.
Looks like we'll be seeing this appear soon.

Update: Several key Microsoft employees has firmly stated that Vista has not been released to manufacturing. The day might be soon, but is certainly not today, or tomorrow. There’s still a bit more work to do. Build 6000.16384 is real, but it also doesn’t mean RTM. These days, Microsoft doesn’t have to increase the major version number when building, so theoretically, any sub-set of build 6000 (6000.16385, 16386, etc...) can be RTM.

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(2 replies) #1 FATILA on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:17
This has already been debunked. Build is not RTM.
#1.1 Jugalator on 31 Oct 2006 - 13:34
What's debunked? These news doesn't claim Vista has been RTM'ed already, just that the build will be 6600.x
#1.2 rIaHc3 on 01 Nov 2006 - 12:04
Quote - Jugalator said @ #1.1
What's debunked?

Confirmed as untrue.
(2 replies) #2 dogmatix on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:22
Thank goodness it is not going to be version 6.6.6...........!
#2.1 bush on 31 Oct 2006 - 21:55
hard to be christian, eh?
#2.2 cardg on 01 Nov 2006 - 01:32
Hard to be free of religious concerns and a little more humoured, eh?
#3 MrCobra on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:31
It'll be out when it's out. Sheesh.
#4 tomcoleman on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:33
gash
(2 replies) #5 rob.derosa on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:33
haha imagine they make a big booboo and have to release build 6001 to RTM :p
#5.1 Long on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:35
Well they have 90 000 - 16 384 = 73 616 builds to do before they have to resort to 6001. I think they'll manage.
#5.2 kronix2 on 31 Oct 2006 - 22:40
Quote - Long said @ #5.1
Well they have 90 000 - 16 384 = 73 616 builds to do before they have to resort to 6001. I think they'll manage.


You have too much faith in Microsoft's quality control procedures.
(2 replies) #6 psyko_x on 31 Oct 2006 - 09:42
really glad to hear about the MSDN download availability
#6.1 Litespeed on 31 Oct 2006 - 10:21
Yeah, although if my previous Vista downloads from MSDN are anything to go by, it will be an overnight job (12 hours+). What annoys me even more is that when you download the public builds using the Akamai manager, it takes about 2 hours. And we pay for MSDN access to get slower than public speeds.
#6.2 rev23dev on 31 Oct 2006 - 14:37
ditto! within 7 days of RTM is cool!
really looking forward to Office 2007, too! Score!

*pets his MSDN subscriber card*
(2 replies) #7 cyberfox2004 on 31 Oct 2006 - 10:21
How to get MSDN Subscription? and I know it cost money but how much is it ?, is that base on yearly?
#7.1 FloatingFatMan on 31 Oct 2006 - 10:30
The level of MSDN subscription needed to get the OS's (Including Vista), costs a LOT more than a copy of Vista Ultimate edition...
#7.2 MrCobra on 31 Oct 2006 - 11:00
You're looking at $2,500 for MSDN Premium. If you want just the OS subscription model then it's $699.

Last edited by Rob on 31 Oct 2006 - 12:06
(2 replies) #8 ramik on 31 Oct 2006 - 10:54
Question is how do they make these builds ?

I am a JavaEE developer, and on each change on the app, I use the Ant-Build of Eclipse, and it takes 5-8 minutes to produce a build of all files in the main project, do MS make the same thing? i.e. the main developer will get all patches from a SourceSafe, and select (Project->Build) and after few hours he gets a complete copy of Vista in a folder.
#8.1 Hidr0 on 31 Oct 2006 - 11:08
kinda the same principle but i have read that to build a full copy of MS Windows it takes 24 hours... not sure bout the built numbers thingy
#8.2 _dandy_ on 31 Oct 2006 - 13:36
LOL, it's not as simple as having one guy load up an instance of SS or VS and then selecting Project->Build. It's all automated and part of a rather large and convoluted build environment, and machines are compiling code 24/7.
(2 replies) #9 Syphonic on 31 Oct 2006 - 11:06
Quote -
A source close to Microsoft has confirmed to me that Windows Vista will in fact carry the build number 6.0.6000. He found this out by receiving a mail with the build stamp "Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16384" so that ends that speculation.

How does the version of windows mail effect the version number of Windows Vista?
#9.1 Julius Caro on 31 Oct 2006 - 12:03
I think all those apps that are part of windows carry the same build number, because they're built with windows and not separately. I could be wrong.
#9.2 Jugalator on 31 Oct 2006 - 13:36
^ Yeah, this is generally correct at least, and what they base this claim on.
#10 crimsonhead on 31 Oct 2006 - 11:14
6.6.6000
(1 reply) #11 predator001 on 31 Oct 2006 - 12:59
who cares. prefer the software to be good rather than have a funky version number
#11.1 Jugalator on 31 Oct 2006 - 13:37
You weirdo!
(5 replies) #12 jedimasterk on 31 Oct 2006 - 13:17
I agree "Who Cares", I prefer the software not be released period, and Microsoft closed down for good. There all a bunch of Greedy Bas....ds, anyway. Linux is the future "Ubuntu, means humanity to others", "Vista, means millions in Bill Gates and Steve Baldmers pocket".
#12.1 GreyWolfSC on 31 Oct 2006 - 13:57
"Who Cares" didn't say that, just that it should be good. Did someone kick you out from under your bridge?
#12.2 Gism0 on 31 Oct 2006 - 14:01
blah blah micro$oft hurrr linux hurr

thanks for your comment
#12.3 hapbt on 31 Oct 2006 - 14:44
Microsoft is a publicly owned corporation. They represent millions of greedy bastoids. Everyone who owns Microsoft stock wants them to do anything, no matter how ruthless, to make more money every year.
Ask yourself this, after you have already put a copy of your software on every PC on earth, how do you continue to increase revenue? You either charge more for it, create a new market (PDAs, mp3 players, XBOXes), or make more and more restrictive licensing which forces each user to buy multiple copies. Or do all of the above.
Anyways they suck.
blah blah hurr hurr

#12.4 devn00b on 31 Oct 2006 - 15:43
Hmm yes call me when i can game reasonably well on linux without using some form of wine.
Better yet, Call me when there are drivers for all my hardware that work correctly.

Linux is a great os, but without Developers making games/drivers and other things for it, it just wont do. I'll line bill gates pockets if it means i can do what i want with my pc when i want.
#12.5 Mystakill on 31 Oct 2006 - 17:54
Until WPA works on all distros, I have no interest in Linux. I don't want to have to manually install anything and vi a bunch of configuration files that *might* get it working. K/Ubuntu *still* doesn't let me configure WPA with a standard installation.

XP and Vista both support WPA -- all I need to do is type in my SSID and passphrase. That's the most configuration I want to do (although I do find Vista's multitude of networking dialogs overbearing and confusing at times)

And WINE is not sufficient for gaming, but my computers all suck, so that's why I have a 360
#13 norseman on 31 Oct 2006 - 14:32
umm ya.. give me a call when linux compares to windows as a desktop os. (windows 3.1 does not count).
(4 replies) #14 ThePitt on 31 Oct 2006 - 14:50
wow... This is really a news. No? Now we can live in peace for another... 6 months, till the 1st service pack see the light..
#14.1 PharosBR on 31 Oct 2006 - 15:14
6 months? Keep dreaming lol
#14.2 phiberoptik on 31 Oct 2006 - 18:29
Quote - ThePitt said @ #14
wow... This is really a news. No? Now we can live in peace for another... 6 months, till the 1st service pack see the light..


/me says in idiot tech guy with long hair and goatee, who still lives in his moms basement "OMGZ I WILL NOT BE USING THIS TILL AT LEAST SERVICE PACK 8"
#14.3 ThePitt on 31 Oct 2006 - 21:31
Quote - phiberoptik said @ #14.2


/me says in idiot tech guy with long hair and goatee, who still lives in his moms basement "OMGZ I WILL NOT BE USING THIS TILL AT LEAST SERVICE PACK 8"


if you really looks and lives like that, dude, you must ask to your mom brough to you vista ultimate and install, RIGHT NOWz
#14.4 kronix2 on 31 Oct 2006 - 22:48
Quote - phiberoptik said @ #14.2
Quote - ThePitt said @ #14
wow... This is really a news. No? Now we can live in peace for another... 6 months, till the 1st service pack see the light..


/me says in idiot tech guy with long hair and goatee, who still lives in his moms basement "OMGZ I WILL NOT BE USING THIS TILL AT LEAST SERVICE PACK 8"


You've already proclaimed yourself an idiot, so I don't have to add a witty riposte.
#15 r0b3rt on 31 Oct 2006 - 15:58
I really doubt they will change the *.16384 number either.... i believe that number is indicative of something else than <number_of_builds>, but probably some like 'full feature set included'. Many IT professionals recognize 16384 as a nice even number from long ago ...

I'm guessing their build number naming standards are similar to this:

<version_of_windows>.<service_pack>.<build_number>.<feature_set>
#16 -Dave- on 31 Oct 2006 - 16:08
from some random apple site:

The number 16384 is really just 1.0 as a Fract.

A Fract is a 2-bit signed integer plus a 30-bit fraction.

#17 Andareed on 31 Oct 2006 - 16:10
16384 is a nice number in binary/hex: 100000000000000b/0x4000
(3 replies) #18 hapbt on 31 Oct 2006 - 17:16
16384 is the bug count
#18.1 jb23fan on 31 Oct 2006 - 17:38
Or the number of brain cells missing out of your airfilled head
#18.2 hapbt on 31 Oct 2006 - 18:44
Expect 32768 bugs in the next release
#18.3 Buttus on 31 Oct 2006 - 20:12
someone should make a poll, how many people are going to buy vista as soon as it's released, and how many are going to wait for the first servicepack/major patch before they buy it...

i'm waiting...
#19 Ferret on 31 Oct 2006 - 18:34
Can't wait.
#20 dogmatix on 31 Oct 2006 - 18:53
Worried about M$ making more $$$? Buy some shares and get some $$$ back!
#21 excalpius on 31 Oct 2006 - 23:40
Well, at least they got the packaging right. yeehaw...

I'd have preferred the software to have been more exciting and the price to have been more attractive.

But who am I to gripe? I'm just the consumer...ahem.
#22 OPaul on 01 Nov 2006 - 04:12
Why is the build number so important?
#23 RaisinCain on 01 Nov 2006 - 06:12
Who really gives a Sh**. Get the final when it comes out.
(1 reply) #24 TC17 on 01 Nov 2006 - 08:23
Vista isn't worth the money they want to upgrade to. WindowsXP is also faster.
#24.1 Elementfire0666 on 12 Nov 2006 - 08:56
Actually no your computer just must suck and be outdated. Vista's expierience will be greater the better your computer is. Pretty much all modern pc's these days will not have any problems running vista. On my vista install compared to my xp install vista it is well faster. I can visually notice the difference between the two. Just because Vista uses around double the amount of ram it shouldn't worry people as long as you got the minimum. You ought to spring forward and upgrade. More importantly people should upgrade their comps eventually anyways. Xp still has that tendency to run slow, programs hanging, freeze up. No problems like that have occured for vista (least my expierience) in respect that your comuter has decent enough specs. The only thing that looks slow and laggy are the procces dialog's which i hope would be fixed for the packaged product. I Think Vista is faster and great upgrade to xp, however is it worth how much their pitching it for? The Ultimate version anyways... thats a little outrageous to say the least.
#25 moy on 09 Nov 2006 - 00:03
thank you
#26 maxdamage on 12 Nov 2006 - 03:09
I just hope the edu msdn subscribers get it as soon as the regular subscribers.

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