Neowin.net

Yep.

Indeed...

yes, MSDN is the best.....

I wonder if it will land in Select as well...

I very much doubt there will be

RTM is the final verson. so no, you'll have to wait till Janary to get vista

I know its coming out for the rest of us in January, I was just wondering if there was like a 180 trial of Vista being made available, like the way most Microsoft software (eg Office, SQL Server etc...) are available for trial.

I wonder about that too, since they did it for Windows Server 2003 and also for XP x64.

Didn't you track those on Connect? All of mine were closed, so I can breath a sigh of relief.

--ScottKin

I couldn't track mine... My problem was pretty damn serious, so shall just have to wait.

I'll give you a torrent nudge for your bday lol *sike!*

I sure hope so...If not we'll have to wait until January :-P

I don't wanna wait until January for my copy either! But they didn't have any beta's on the MSDN Academic

"What's Windows Vista?"

It's what you get when you use Picture® Windows®, which you get when you buy Plate Glass® Windows®.

Windows 2003 was great. Really better than xp even for workstation use.
But vista is really very more up to date.

All Vista editions are same. You just need different keys.
So you can get Vista Nov 30 and use the Ultimate key to get Windows Vista Ultimate on Nov 30.

I think MSDN subscription gives you 2 ultimate keys.

For OS and above. Costs $700us per year and up for MSDN.

and then what will you do after 30 days? :|

Get locked out until you get a legit cd key.

sure wait 8 more years i fail to see where you feel Vista is a Dud . anyways yea if you want to wait 8 years to play games and have copatabilty for newer software sure be my guest.

Why wait, just get Tiger now and Leopard early next year!

And you get to spend boatloads of money for a new ocmputer and you never gety to play any games.

Actually I guess that argument doesn't really fly anymore since comparable CD and C2D PC's are approximately the same value (not to all of apple's systems, but at least half of them now). I'm just going by what respectable people have stated (with facts to prove it) on Neowin, Slashdot, Anandtech, and a number of other locations.

I was about to say that at least the gaming part is right, then I remembered that you can run Windows on it if you want to play games anyway... or wait a bit for crossover to start working nicely and you won't even have to reboot anymore!

I'm one of those people that thought macs are niche computers that I would never be interested in, but since I switched to a G4 iBook in January, I've been getting more schoolwork done than ever before... I just don't have to deal with getting some software package to do this and that, and spending time to make everything work the way I want it to. It's not that I can't do it, it's just the time investment when I could be studying or doing assignments...

It's kind of like comparing Windows to Linux, just not to the same extreme. Don't get me wrong, I love linux for a server environment, but trying to get the right drivers or software to compile and install (particularly when there's no updated package for your distro) is a complete waste of time. On Windows you just download the installer, double click, go through the wizard (maybe restart?) and you're done. On the mac, for most apps, it's just download, drag & drop, unmount.

I'm excited for Vista because I'm hoping it will take XP's level of stability and merge it with OSX's level of simplicity. (Not that OSX isn't stable, but I find XP to be just as stable as OSX). Again, this is not because I can't figure out how to do things, but because I no longer have the time to sit down and figure things out when I could be spending that time studying. From the way the later Betas were, and RC1 (quick install and perusal), if they've ironed out the few kinks that bothered me, it seems they've headed in exactly that direction!

Jordan

Using Vista 5744 now and sure, it looks good, & would say it runs faster and smoother than xp....but when you look at that video and the intended features they were proposing, you can see just how short MS came to realising their idea's.
However it's still good news, and looking forward to getting the finished product.

How about we count up from the day Windows Longhorn was first announced?

I agree we can call it Dethklok!

Funny.

SP1 is not due out until the end of 2007.

Man...
Its just windows.

And it isnt even vienna (as if vienna will someday be something more then an ideal.)

lol!!

dude, i got another 4 - 6 years till the Vienna banners go up. so till then.. I'm going to party like its 1995.

Windows Vista and Office 2007 will be available through TechNet Subscriber downloads and MSDN within 7 days of release to manufacture (RTM). TechNet Subscriptions and MSDN are committed to making new content available to our subscribers as soon as is practical.

It should have been.

You know, that wouldn't actually be a good thing.

I know - I was trying to make this point some time ago but I got shot down by all the rabid fanboys. But there you go.

So what if it leaks. You won't have a key to activate.

LMAO It's so cute that you actually think that matters.

I predict that by next month, it won't take more than 5 minutes' worth searching to get a key.

HAHAHAHAHA that made my day... every heard of activation cracks? In XP, activation was completely ignored in some cracked versions. Maybe with WGA built into vista, cracking it and getting updates may be a bit difficult, but nothing like a leaked VLK clear up.

my 2 cents ^^^

VLK's need activation in vista. you know. because of people like you..

Well, it sounds like your 2 cents aren't worth ****. WGA and activation in ALL versions of Vista, including Server and corporate volume license versions.

If that's true, a lot of corporations will be ****ed and won't switch to VISTA. Microsoft isn't that stupid.

We will see when you have to reactivate every 30 days and you get locked out because your key is bad.

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yeah I love nubs like you that have the nerve to post here about pirating stuff. bet it makes you feel real special since most of the time people like you are either 13 or will be working at mcd's the rest of your life anyway.

Unfortunately you are wrong. They are. Volume License versions of Vista will require activation. How this will be done at this moment is not very clear. I did read something about the companies with the volume license deals have to have a server running which will authenticate and activate each client within that company. Microsoft will have some way to read from this server the number of products activated and charge said company for them.

cant wait

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then vlk its not really a VLK, too bad for companies, i hope they wont get vista so M$, its more annoyance and more cost to make this thing run. need a aditional server to activate what a i joke...

this its a waste of resources in bandwidth, and server processing for activation its a annoyance to any IT deparment.

well while it took a long time you have no idea the pressure microsoft faced in ther labs. go to windows supersite and read the read to vista series he published of all the downs and ups Ms has doing longhorn

It was called p*ss poor project management.

Exactly. So what Windows-diehards *should* have gotten was Longhorn, not a scaled down version of it SLATHERED in silly eyecady.

But it's better than XP at least.

Vista SP1 will NOT be Windows 6.1... SP's never change the build number that much. It will still be 6.0.something

We will see. SP1 will be based on the Longhorn Server Kernel.

Read the EULA on the MSDN Download Page.

You can install it on 10 pcs concurrently for _testing_ purposes only.

I shall be _testing_ it for a long time i think

You can take the borders down to 1 if you wish.

..just like you could with XP. I see many people whinge about large borders in XP when they switch to large fonts - not realising they can customise them in just a few clicks.

Chances are that it won't appear till next week on MSDN (read the bit about 7 days from RTM) so it shouldn't affect it.
Another week ain't gonna kill me

If you actually read the sentence correctly on MSDN then you'll see it says WITHIN 7 days.

Which part of 'chances are' were you uncertain about? Thanks for being a pedant - gold star for you! woot!

MSDN subscriber downloads, TechNet subscriber downloads and Microsoft Volume license site are all "going down for maintenance and upgrades" at 7:00PM Pacific time on Friday.

I've never seen all three go down at once before and can only conclude this is to enable access to Vista and Office 2007 downloads once they come back up.

TechNet has the same message posted. Thanks to MSDN for your Servers.

The nice thing for MS is that by giving it to devs they give them some time to sort out application compatibility problems before the mass public get hold of it (and any last minute bugs in the OS too) so it makes a lot of sense.
I'm one of those devs and i've been holding out on making final changes to my app for Vista just because I didn't have release code to work with. As soon as it's up on MSDN i'll start work

erm, you have had more then a year to make sure your application is compatible. The difference between for example RC2 and RTM will not break program compability

Read what I posted - _final changes_ - and no, nowhere near a year because early builds have had fairly radical differences to what we have now. For example, Beta 2 and RC1 had a difference in the theme parts defined (I know as I asked MS to make the change so they wouldn't break my custom drawn themed app) and UAC has altered significant between revisions. RC2 _still_ won't let you use regsvr32.exe with UAC on - I'm hoping this changes in the RTM. I have installers (not mine I might add) that don't work on RC2 (installshield problems). Drawing issues - i've still got these and there's no way for me to be certain that they're not down to the unfinished OS or the buggy POS drivers from ATI. Foolish indeed you would be to sign off your product as 100% Vista ready based on RC2 - what company do you work for? I just need to know so I can skip the next version of your software lol..

That is the worst post in the history of the internet.

lol! agreed...

Beer good, me like, beer goooood

Agreed, what a tool.

Sounds about right... ah well i'll not be looking till 2morrow... darn American's always behind

Yeah.. I'm in Denmark, so I hope I'll get it tonight..

You have MSDN premium account? Lucky.

Dont think so, I have been checking the newsgroups though.

1 reason more to not get vista and stick with XP, for any big company. This its not good annoying and more waste of resources, bandwidth and why not time with aditional management things, who wants a spyware in a company to check if ur windows its legal or not, leave that job to the cop.

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Just give hackers some time, sooner you will see Windows Vista Lite with no actvation needed floating in torrent world...

this its the bad thing affect legit users and pirates still go around with it. which its the main purpose of this

you dont have to authenticate through a proxy, you can authenticate it as a normal key, or through a KMS, so there really isnt much of a hassle in activation

Now how does that make sense? For me, it's 3 hours and 25 minutes..

It's 3 + hours buddy.

3 hours exactly now..., dunno where you, WOMAN, got 25 minutes from. Well at least you'll be right in 2 hours and 35 minutes...

Apologies i live in the UK and looked up the local time in redmond and it said 10:35 at the time of the post.

Apology accepted

NOW ITS 25 MINUTES

as much as i'd like to think you're wrong, i have the same hunch.

probably by the end of the week though. will give me something to do this weekend.

cause WA is in PST on the West Coast?

hmmmzzz

It's the old one

new

Dude, I think your clock is off...it's still only 10:11AM on the West Coast...

whoops i didn't calculate from gmt to est (wich is +1)... so i guess it's still another 40 minutes to RTM

EDIT: damn i'm really not myself today, now i've used the wrong time zone... EST should be CET

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Because it's not 11:00AM PST...

Like they are going to say anything anyways.

well that obviously isnt all the info we are getting, they will have a proper offical press release with more words than "It's Done"

Look at us go! We're zooming!

What the heck! Mac's suck, they crash way more than Windows XP. Not trying to start a flame. Personally I am a linux/Gentoo fan, but I work in a Windows shop environment and do you see us using Macs? You get good quality software with MS. What about sharepoint? Does Mac have Sharepoint or an Exchange server? Vista is way better than a Mac. I am tired of Mac users putting down MS. Macs are only good for a pretty artsy paper weight. Can I get a AMEN!!!

let me just rip that apart.
Mac's suck. okay. so that is your personal opinion---however, you fail to give legitimate grounds for your argument.

They crash way more than Windows XP. based on what? i have Windows and Mac OS X on my MacBook and I definitely have to do a whole lot more maintenance to windows.
You get good quality software with MS. Yes. microsoft makes pretty good business software, it's a shame they don't offer a more stable operating system to run it on.
Vista is way better than a Mac. ... because you've throughly tested and compared them both? I'd love to know what grounds you have for that argument considering most of the new features in vista are identical to those of which have been included in the Mac for about 5 years. So someone...fill me in on why Vista is better than Mac.
I'm tired of Mac users putting down MS. Yea...isn't that obsurd...someone getting online and putting down another company or operating system. nobody EVER makes fun of Macs. it's always the mac users making fun of the PCs.
Macs are only good for a pretty artsy paper weight. I know you're referring to how sleek and stylish apple product are. It's a shame you can't do anything on a Mac....like...i don't know....record and engineer all the music by the artists you listen to everyday, or produce the movies you watch, or anything like that. silly macs. worthless.

I know I made it sound like i hate windows. that's because i disagree with this flawed argument. I am a Mac and a Windows dual-boot user. They both have their place. I'd never recommend Mac OS X for the business environment, and i'd never recommend Windows for the multimedia production environment. there's a time for Mac and a time for Windows. deal with it people. As far as Windows Vista... I won't be buying it. It does exactly what my Mac does but it includes less software and the same basic uses that Windows XP has. I don't see any advantage to having Windows Vista if i already have Mac OS X, since there are no apparent "new" features in Vista that aren't already in the Mac.